The development comes after a presentation to the International Olympic Committee by its medical chief, which highlighted the potential physical advantages of competing in women’s sport after being born male.
What about the potential physical advantages of competing in women’s sport after being born strong?
They don’t give a fuck about fair competition so that’s irrelevant. This is just bigotry.
You didn’t answer the question. And it’s a valid question to my mind. See my reply to the above.
Let me ask you a question in turn. How many trans women are placing well in sports? Numbers, percentages, whatever you’ve got. How many cis women have had their rightful first place stolen by someone who’s just naturally better by merit of how they were born?
In answer to your question, transition does a lot, more than you would expect. It’s pretty statistically clear that the residual effects of going through the wrong puberty haven’t caused a physical ability imbalance that renders competition unfair. We haven’t seen any such thing play out, unless you consider any trans woman placing ever as inherently unfair and stealing results from cis women.
I want to know where this outrage was for Michael Phelps. We didn’t see legislation passed to deperson Andre the Giant. There are huge biological differences between people, and some people have an advantage in sport by merit of how their body works. There’s never outrage against gifted men.
Women have to suffer the brunt of this line of attack. Many cis women, for some reason especially women of color, get attacked as men if they have elevated testosterone, chromosomal abnormalities, or many other random biological quirks that someone doesn’t think is fair. Imane Khalif, a cis woman, gets attacked for not being a woman. Lin Yu Ting gets attacked for not being a woman. Caster Semenya gets attacked for not being a woman.
This trans panic in sports is not about fairness. Nobody making these decisions are doing so to create a balanced competition. This is sexism and transphobia being used to police women to ensure they’re feminine enough to appear on the world stage.
Imane Khelif, Lin Yu Ting, and Caster Semenya are all biologically male (not trans, DSD males incorrectly assigned female at birth). No cis women won a medal in the 2016 Rio 800m, all of the medal winners were DSD male. That would likely continue to be the case except they are no longer eligible for the women’s category.
Michael Phelps’ records have already been surpassed. DSD males competing in women’s sports set records that cis woman will never surpass. It is not surprising that the vast majority of people find this unfair. The IOC is doing the right thing.
So, none of the people mentioned are trans women? Why exactly are you making these comments?
I focused on those athletes because they’re the motivating factors behind this decision. DSD males and trans women both have the innate advantage of male puberty, which is why the IOC is making this move. To focus specifically on trans women, here’s one example out of many on why we have separate competitions for men and women (not a sympathetic article, but factual):
In 2016, a Portuguese-American athlete named Hannah Caldas participated in the female category of the “Monstar Games,” a large fitness competition held in Rio de Janeiro. The Games included a weightlifting challenge run by Brazil’s Fortify Equipamentos sporting-goods retail chain, whereby contestants were scored on how many times they could lift heavy balls over their heads in the space of a minute.
An event official asked Caldas to choose between one of two balls—weighing thirty and seventy pounds, respectively.
“How about the 120?” Caldas replied, pointing to a third, much larger ball.
According to Caldas’s subsequent recollection, the official explained that this wasn’t a realistic option for contestants registered in the female category, since “no girls had been able to pick it up.”
“Challenge accepted!” Caldas later wrote on Instagram. While a fellow athlete named Joyce Rodrigues filmed, Caldas proceeded to heave the 120-pound weight into the air no fewer than sixteen times.
The idea that biological males don’t have an athletic advantage over females is plainly, obviously wrong
USMS records indicate that it was 23 January 2009 when a new swimming sensation identified as “Hannah Caldas” suddenly appeared on the women’s USMS racing scene. Despite being a complete unknown, Caldas immediately began dominating the competition in the 30–34-year-old age group—including winning five out of six events at Caldas’s inaugural tournament in Charlotte, NC. The performances were so astounding that Caldas reportedly almost hit a benchmark time for Portugal’s women’s Olympic swimming team (missing the cut by a mere 0.3 seconds).
This would be a shockingly impressive athletic run for anyone—let alone a (nominal) rookie such as Caldas, who was able to blast past former NCAA swimming stars with ease despite having no collegiate training as a female athlete; and who was, by this point in life, a full decade past the prime age for Olympic-calibre swimmers.
That’s why the argument that trans women are only 0.X% of competitors doesn’t hold any water. They can still dominate a sport and deny medals to any cis women competing. This is now becoming an issue at the Olympic level which is why the IOC is addressing it, but people have tracked many more cases at sites like https://hecheated.org/. Whether or not you like the people behind that or similar sites, it’s more about the facts.
Exactly my point. Thanks for illustrating it.
I question that as well. The strength advantage seems to be a factor of how early one transitions. If we figure that in, now we have another controversy, another fat can of worms.
They’re probably thinking along these lines and just saying, “Fuck it, total ban, zero tolerance.”
You may have misunderstood the point of my rhetorical question. I will elaborate.
What about people who are born with XX chromosomes, and all the associated lady bits, who happen to be especially strong? Or tall? Or flexible? Or any other kind of physical difference that would give them an advantage in their chosen sport?
Wouldn’t those people have exactly the same kind of “unfair advantage”?
“Oh, wait, that’s not what we mean,” the Olympics organizers might say. “We are only concerned with one kind of innate physical difference, and not any others.”
“We’re only concerned with one kind of innate physical difference, and not any others.”
I remember writing up something in the same vein in a comment on another platform some months ago. It’s nice to see someone else on the same train of thought :)
There are none. That doesn’t stop bigots from pretending trans women on estrogen have any advantage.
Of theres one thinf I know about babies, it’s that about half of them are born strong
you clearly dont know what youre talking about
If it wasn’t for the culture wars, it would be another Oscar Pistorius situation. Not the murder, the prosthetics.
For those who don’t know this guy was a runner whose legs were amputated, and he got replacement prosthetics that made him as good if not better than runners with natural legs. There was some debate if his disability actually gives him an advantage, if it should be allowed at all.
And proceeded to shoot his girlfriend on valentine’s day.
Right, but before he became a murderer he was an inspiration to many people.
The news of his trial hit many people like a punch in the gut. How could such an inspirational person commit such a horrible crime? It was one of the worst feelings of betrayal experienced by the public.
Tragic, yea. Inspiring persona, shitty person.
Blindly, through a bathroom door. Reading about that fucked me up.
I think a lot of people are going to boycott these Olympics. The trump regime doesn’t deserve to host.
boycott the olympics then
Another reason to
This is just an excuse to attack trans people under the guise of fairness. It’s horrible
*This is an excuse for the Seven Mountain Mandate to “save people who wouldn’t otherwise understand from hellfire”.
“Under the guise of fairness”
Geezus good lordy. No one can even try to be fair anymore lest they be judged as being “homophobic”…
yall suck…
Watch them ban transgender women and clowns like JK Rowling STILL accuse cis women in the Olympics of being trans
I mean they still say that about Imane Khelif so
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Go die in a fire.
Lmao is that just some dude’s blog? Your accredited lab is bullshit, your blogger here literally spouts a bunch of hearsay and conjecture what about a clarification from the IOC implies, then has the gall to throw out the phrase “facts are facts.”
Also I love this: “3 Wire Sports remains the only journalistic outlet to have seen these 2022 and 2023 tests.” Holy shit lol.
But yeah, sure thing, whatever you say sweetie
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Fun meme. But where is your proof otherwise?
Says the girl giving random-ass blog as proof
It’s easy to dismiss that as a “random-ass blog” because you’re engaging in motivated reasoning, but it’s certainly not the only evidence:
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/20/imane-khelif-medical-records/
Again, you have nothing. It’s fun to argue and all, but I’ll remind anyone reading this that until evidence of Khelif being female is presented, any other response is sophistry meant to distract you.
Did you even read your own link?
The screenshots shown in Ait Aoudia’s reporting are unverified. Snopes reached out to the doctors and hospitals associated with the alleged reports. They either did not respond or would not, as a matter of policy, confirm their authenticity or if Khelif was ever a patient of theirs. Ait Aoudia did not provide Snopes with any details of his source(s).
Even if the reports published by Ait Aoudia are authentic, however, the alleged findings have been misrepresented. If true, they would not conclusively prove that Khelif “is a man.” Instead, as Snopes explains here, they would highlight the reality that, from a scientific standpoint, gender is not actually as binary as some suggest it to be.
So yeah, go fuck yourself with a cactus.
In case this asshat deletes her comment, this was the link given as ‘evidence’
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/20/imane-khelif-medical-records/
you don’t have evidence! your shady blogs and discredited idiots are more like negative evidence! i mean, babygirl, did you read that snopes article? cuz i promise it doesn’t support what youre saying
key excerpts you must have missed, surely by accident:
The screenshots shown in Ait Aoudia’s reporting are unverified. Snopes reached out to the doctors and hospitals associated with the alleged reports. They either did not respond or would not, as a matter of policy, confirm their authenticity or if Khelif was ever a patient of theirs. Ait Aoudia did not provide Snopes with any details of his source
and
Even if the reports published by Ait Aoudia are authentic, however, the alleged findings have been misrepresented
those are almost at the top of the article!
so first i think you should ask someone to read this to you, then ask them to also read the rest of the snopes article, where it talks about the sex spectrum and intersexuality. none of which is in the article because it applies to khelif, but only to the nonsense brainless idiots spout. if you actually read the article you linked, you might realize that if someone was born with the corresponding genitalia, they might just be that sex, regardless of hormone levels or whatever genetic bullshit people wanna pretend applies to khelif so they can fantasize about azalia amineva still being undefeated.
i know youre a lost cause, but to anyone else who reads this thread, please remember: this is even dumber because even though none of it applies to khelif anyway, trans and intersex people are still fucking people and should be allowed to compete. not in their own league. theyre not undesireables. theyre not diseased. just let people play their games!
That’s a terrible link. There’s no evidence there whatsoever.
Khelif is a woman.
It’s easy to use motivated reasoning to dismiss things you don’t want to be true. Why do you think Khelif is a woman?
I don’t know. Perhaps I’ll start with the fact it’s highly unlikely a Muslim country would allow a trans male to represent them in boxing at the Olympics?
How about you pass that bar first?
Khelif was incorrectly assigned female at birth and is not trans. Many people with male DSDs like that don’t find that they’re not female until puberty
is not trans
Correct. She’s a woman. That’s why her country allowed her to box as one.
Sooo…
-Trans athletes form their own leagues. -Other athletes start competing because they go where the competition is and/or ideological reasons. -Olympics slowly become irrelevant.
Good job, Olympics.
I will remind everyone that as of 2023, about 3% of 18-24 yr olds identified as transgender. That’s a lot of people, and that percentage is only going to go up.
That sounds super duper likely
Do trans women keep placing number 1 during competition?
You’re right, thats a very important factor to consider. We shouldnt worry about it until they start consistently placing in first place. Thats when flags will/should be raised.
No, but there was that fuss last year at the Olympics because some of the boxers looked manly. They weren’t even trans, incidentally, not that that little fact ever made the headlines or the Facebook groups.
The Olympic committee has had well established rules on transgender athletes for decades. This change is ridiculous. They might as well go back to chromosomal testing for athletes. It makes as much sense as this nonsense
The Olympic committee has had well established rules on transgender athletes for decades
What are they? The article says “leaving it for each sport to decide themselves.” which doesn’t sound consistent.
I’m not sure but I will comment anyway.
I believe each sport’s federation has rules they decide themselves and those are normally used but sometimes the Olympic Committee will ban a federation because of corruption or some mismanagement and take over organization of those specific events. They did it with boxing in the previous Olympics for example. When they do it they have to decide which rules will apply and looks like now they decided the default rules for all sports that fall under their jurisdiction. Last time with boxing they decided to use the same rules that were used 4 years earlier which meant some previously banned athletes where allowed to compete and a lot of participants complained.
Hmm. “Established” is factually correct but I’m not sure “well established” is a good description.
Who fucking cares about this irrelevant pissing contest anymore. It’s all politics and doping scandals, what does the undercarriage have to do with ANY of that? Why would anyone even aspire to even compete in this in today’s world.
Public schooled?
Careful, your prejudice might be showing. It’d be awfully embarassing for people to find out how terribly simplistic the paradigms are with which you’re evaluating worthiness of your peers.
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…prejudged them on there subpar education
Very funny to use the wrong homophone in your weird cringey diatribe about how much smarter and more educated you are than everyone else
Even the reporting is biased; trans women aren’t born male.
What!?
What? I’m confused. Are you talking about how not all trans women are born males, that we have been women all along, or is this some new grammar I’m missing?
I’m saying trans women are women. They might be born with xy chromosomes most of the time, or they might be born with a functioning penis and testes most of the time, but they are still women.
It’s why we say “assigned male at birth” instead of “born male”.
Edit: I’ll clarify this even further by reminding everyone that being trans is not a choice, and most – if not all – of the current science shows that being trans is the result of fetal developmental changes of the brain in the womb.
Oh, thank you for clarifying. I did not notice that little bit. You are right though. That shit gets so suttle sometimes. Amab not “born male.” I honestly wouldn’t have caught that. Well, i didn’t haha.
It can be subtle and nuanced for sure! Some people probably thought my comment was ignorant or transphobic.
It definitely made me have to stop and ask. I’m glad i did. Thanks for being an awesome internet person 😊
Well, I personally consider that great news that I can agree with… sorry if you dont feel the same.
Fuck the Olympics. It’s corrupt, it’s full of cheaters and gamblers, and now more bigotry.
Well well well, so much for being inclusive. Fucking pricks
Welp, time for the Queer Olympics to become a thing again.
A competition of the fastest, strongest, sweatiest gays…
In the greek tradition we will bring back the kynodesme.
So uh… if you’re like me and don’t know what this is: If you do decide to google it, don’t open the wikipedia page on your work laptop…
Zero downsides
