How many people has the US killed in, lets say,the last 100 years?
For anyone wondering about the total, I didn’t see the number of deaths in the jail article but Vietnam War and War on Terror high estimates for the total for all sides, including civilians comes to around 7 million.
I expected more tbh. That’s rookie numbers, pretty sure Nazi Germany killed way more and even someone like Mao alone drwafs those numbers. Smdh USA are you even trying
Death toll in the jail article is ~1029 yearly, if its explicitly stated I didn’t see it. That was calculated from the figures given (total pop 735k * death rate of 1.4/1000) (That number is wrong, as stated in the article the actual rate is likely to be slightly higher because they had to exclude a great many sources from their sample due to bad or questionable data).
It should be noted that those deaths aren’t divided by cause: police muders, inmate violence, deaths from pre-existing conditions, lightning strikes, deaths from conditions exacerbated by the quality of care available in the prision, dying from old age, fatal infections from rusty stairs, deaths from food poisoning, fatal allergic reactions to bee-stings, suicides etc. are all lumped together because they’re all relevant to the conclusions of the study, but aren’t necessarily relevant here.
Those… look it’s NOT hard to find data to show the death toll for the US, so why did you go with such horrible examples?
There is no widely agreed on figure for the number of people that have been killed so far in the war on terror as the Bush Administration has defined it to include the war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq, and operations elsewhere. According to Joshua Goldstein, an international relations professor at the American University, the global war on terror has seen fewer war deaths than any other decade in the past century.
Like beyond how rough the numbers are: the wiki pages all include the total death counts, but those are both coalition wars and the total deaths are not broken down at all. This data exists, you can find it, but you can’t find it there so why use it?
Similarly, the paper on jail deaths very much does not answer the question, as it is an analytical study on the impact of jail conditions on mortality and explicitly does not address the causal conditions of those deaths:
[…] health and mortality data for people who are incarcerated or in police custody have been shown to be “incomplete…incorrect… [and] anachronistic,”42 and jail data may underestimate deaths or contain inaccuracies related to causes of death. Finally, the associations found in the study do not suggest causality.
It is not hard to show what you want to show. By instead providing such poor quality sources, you undermine the credibility of your point to a spectacular degree. Like. Just use real numbers? Hell, it’s not hard to find very reasonable estimates on death tolls from imperialism itself. But notoriously vague values from sources that explicitly clarify their own imprecision is just a terrible way to approach this.
Great reply,good answer. A fuck tonne it seems
it’s even (at least partially) responsible for the other two!
… calling them partially responsible for the Nazi genocide is a stretch at best. If I am wrong feel free to educate me with a source.
i’m saying this because the nazis were greatly inspired by the usa’s genocide of Indigenous people for the holocaust, that’s why i wrote “partially” (as opposed to the Gaza genocide, where the usa’s responsibility is much more direct)
obviously I’m not denying the agency and responsibility of germany in the holocaust
Ah, I see! I didn’t consider that.I just thought about active evolvement by either supporting the government or supporting the genocide directly and couldn’t think of a thing. But I get it now. Not sure if I would call that partly responsible, but that’s semantics in the end.
The concept of “Lebensraum” literally stems from Manifest Destiny.
The Hitlerites were also very impressed by the Jim Crow laws and racial segregation in the USA
This is all amateur hour before the British empire. Queen Victoria killed 70 million people just to “correct the market” for food one time.
