ICE’s approval rating among Americans currently sits at negative 13 points, a recent poll revealed.
More Americans support abolishing the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency than at any point since it was established in 2003, new polling shows.
According to data examined by Civiqs, 42% support getting rid of the agency while 50% oppose doing so, a split of just 8 points. This represents a major shift from a year ago, at the start of Donald Trump’s second term, when only 24% of Americans supported abolishing ICE and 59% opposed the idea, a 35-point split.
The 27-point change over the past year comes as Trump uses the agency to terrorize immigrant communities and overrun U.S. cities in the name of his mass deportation campaign, often using tactics that are not only harmful but illegal.
Doesn’t matter so long as Republicans are in power.
Americans don’t support domestic terrorists. Who would have thought?
Except that 50% of those polled do support them, which is higher than the percentage who don’t according to this same poll.
Those aren’t Americans, those are brownshirts.
They had to do a poll to figure this out?
Yes! Half of the population is still fine with this!
… Nothing ever gets done, sadly
literally. The last time the US government did something to actually help people was passing the ADA in 1990. You might think removing pre-existing conditions was good but all it did was cause insurance companies to deny care after they take your money instead of before.
Still, its like not voting. Gives people the illusion that theyre in control, and the other side the W.
Times like this, I really wish I lived in a democratic country
Are you ready for rushing style elections in November?
50% oppose doing so
It will never cease to amaze me just how incredibly and willfully uninformed the average American is.
Yes, millions (mostly Republicans) support ICE, but how many millions are total NPCs who genuinely have never had a conscious thought in their entire life? How many is it questionable as to whether they’ve ever developed object permanence?
This is why we need colossal and organized protests. Because the hyper majority of these dumbfuck Americans would have NEVER even known anything was wrong if they didn’t see all the protesting.
Not because they’re isolated from its consequences, but because they genuinely do not form any thoughts independently. They truly are the absolute dumbest fucking people who exist that haven’t forgotten how to eat or breathe.
Remember, ~21% of American adults are functionally illiterate. Pair that with nearly 1 in 3 adults have rather low-level numeracy ( https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2020/2020025/index.asp ).
I’d not be surprised if low literacy and low numeracy cluster with lack of critical thinking skills and the fundamentals of morality.
Then add in all the many many distractions - celebrity/“influencer” culture, movies, TV, video games, and the old standby: sports and gambling.
It’s no wonder a whole lot of people are tuned out and have no idea what is going on.
It is good people want to Abolish ICE. But you still have to deal with bipartisan obsessed Dems who won’t ever agree to it.
Most American citizens are overwhelmingly united on many issues.
Unfortunately, most American politicians are overwhelmingly united on NOT giving us what we want.
I’m so tired of hearing about polling data.
Yeah everything being almost a clear 50/50 split between should we have a democracy or should we be fascists is not good.
With 3-8% undecided
Glad I wasn’t the only one who thought “does everything have to be a poll?”
It’s like those Japanese gameshows with a “reaction” window of the “famous talent” so everyone is told how the action on screen is supposed to make them feel.
I mean data is good, right? “Knowledge is power”? Maybe it’s the engineer in me but getting many snapshots in time and seeing the trends is kind of important. I’ll take this over anecdotal speculation any day.
Whilst I agree in some senses, I also question their use. It doesn’t really matter until there’s an election and even then, they seem to be often wrong as people don’t vote logically and often against their interests.
These kinds of polls are more for people to say “phew, I’m glad I’m not the only one who doesn’t like ICE”. It’s a peace-of-mind poll which achieves nothing of actual substance.
garbage in - garbage out is the basic problem with using polls to explain every fracture within every issue. There’s also a deeper problem of trying to quantify what is ultimately not quantifiable. Polls can maybe give you a hint about changing moods but the reality of what is changing and why can’t be captured in numbers. What you can sample is the rate at which a mood is changing, which I acknowledge isn’t nothing but it’s also very limited.
And that’s without getting into the variety of ways polls are manipulated or outright rigged…
“A little more than half of Americans are wondering whether things are sub-optimal!”
“A fraction of Americans think politics are headed in a direction.”
“Does garlic salt make you more gayer-er? One Florida man feeds their alligator to find out.”
Ngl, when people spoke of abolishing ICE in years past, I thought it was an extremist take. I was always of the mindset that you can’t just have an open border, and you need someone to man the border. Having said that, this current iteration needs to be abolished in every way, shape, and form.
One of the biggest lies ever told is we can’t have open borders. The reason so many people overstay their visas is because they won’t be able to come back if they leave. Very few of them want to stay. They would prefer to work for a season and go back home with money and the favorable exchange rate.
The issue with immigration is not the illegals. It is the corporations that illegally work undocumented people. They are actively incentivizing them to come into this country. Tyson chicken is one of the largest employers of illegal immigrants in this country and no administration has does ANYTHING about it. If there was no work, people wouldn’t come.
Customs and Border Protection (CBP) could probably fill in, tho they’re also part of the DHS so under the current admin it wouldn’t be much better
They overwhelmingly supported abolishing ice pre 2020 and the Democrats response was increasing funding to their highest levels. They will never get rid of a tool they love utilizing
And even now dem leadership won’t even talk about it
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50% oppose doing so
I don’t know if I’d support abolishing them. But I would definitely support reeling them in, defunding them by a lot, and having a lot more oversight, including from the states, on where they can go, and how they are used. All the cosplaying bullshit should be taken away from them (and cops, too) - the militarization is just ridiculous.
And for sure - none of these fuckers should be masked. Not ONE of them should be allowed to do that job anonymously.
If those changes are not on the table, yeah, abolish ICE.
So I really wonder how that 50% looks if you were to dig in. Probably a LOT of nuance in there.
We don’t need ICE. We’ve got so many overlapping alphabet agencies we don’t need yet another bloated gestapo. ICE, CBP, USCIS, etc. a warrant to a local PD to arrest someone should be sufficient, not a convoy of masked military cosplay racists shooting people because their fee fees got hurt.
Their only job is to enforce a law that has made it a crime to be a brown person from another country who is just trying to make a better life for themselves. We don’t need ICE. Their job only exists because of racism. It should not me as difficult as it is to become a legal citizen in the US. Very few people would be here illegally if the path to citizenship wasn’t so god damn difficult to begin with.
I saw a reel today from what i consider a credible enough source, (still plan to look this up but i feel it’s credible enough to base this comment on).
There’s a major problem that needs to be dealt with when talking about any kind of enforcement.
Firstly, US citizens DO NOT require to have any form of ID or papers on them, at all, for any reason. Yet visa holders, immigrants, vacationers, etc, have to carry their papers AT ALL TIME or that’s a federal violation.
Secondly, ICE has no jurisdiction over US citizens. If they ask me anything, i don’t have to comply. As long at I’m not interfering with their job, as to be arrested for obstruction of justice. Their job is solely to enforce immigration laws.
So the problem this creates is that they can just claim I’m not a citizen and arrest me for not having proper documentation. Best case scenario, they look me up in the system, see I’m a citizen, and let me go. Worst case? Well, yeah, we are seeing that unfold every day in the news.
Boot lickers will say, well just carry your ID, and comply! And miss the entire point. There’s due process violations happening all across the country, people being arrested just because, to intimidate us into cowering in a corner while they kidnap and torture folks. So either we cave and start to carry our IDs, which won’t help when they claim it’s a fake ID, and allow them to ratchet up again to only allowing certain people to have IDs, or whatever fascist BS they have planned next for their white, christian ethnostate.
Or no one needs to carry around an ID and just abolish ICE all together because we don’t need to enforce immigration laws, just make it easier. Think of the extra tax dollars that could be had if non citizens could spend their money without worrying about being deported! Plus the extra money for not paying another useless enforcement agency. For those one off cases, i would rather a percentage go to the FBI for a division that investigates non citizen crime, and let the courts handle deportations.
I think it would be more effective to get rid of ICE and use those resources to properly fund the immigration court system, so it can process cases much more quickly.
There is the bigger issue of addressing the causes also. Over a century of destabilizing its neighbors to exploit them for private profit and keep them firmly within the US sphere of influence has predicability created a lot of migration. Fixing that will take many years though.
Yeah, all good points. The conservatives only like to talk about people “invading” the country “only” for things like economic ones (in other words, finding a job). They don’t like to talk about any systemic things and how things like NAFTA might have created such conditions…
Anyway, yeah, depending on the options of either shrinking ICE to a fraction of their funding and size and constraining them in a sane way, or the plan to outright abolish them - the implementation would matter a great deal as to what would make the most sense.
If it’s done smash-and-grab style like the fake “doge” group did, I don’t think that’d be good. If there are actual plans to spin down staff and transition responsibilities and data to other appropriate group(s), being led by someone that actually knows something - that’d be the right way.
Normally I’d concur wholeheartedly. I have concerns about the culture that has permeated ICE and whether it can effectively be resolved through reorganization. Perhaps specific functions can be spun off into a new or existing department.
I think this pretty much answers the question “are humans evil?” Spoiler, yes.
The government (through ICE) is really stifling people’s liberties. Get the government outta here. Seriously!
