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    11 months ago

    Yet Democrats won in 2020 and 2022 despite you and the other Bernie bros having peaced out.

    I think leftists overestimate how much Democrats rely on them. Leftists are too prone to take their ball and go home when they don’t get everything they want. This is why they don’t form successful long-term coalitions.

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        11 months ago

        I lived though 2020 and 2022, when you said you didn’t vote for Democrats. So I think they’ve already seen the worst of it. Are you going to double not vote for them this year?

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            11 months ago

            First of all, mail in ballots aren’t going away in 2024. In fact, many states expanded their vote-by-mail programs after 2020.

            Second, Trump isn’t going to be able to campaign normally in 2024 either, due to the criminal trials he will be forced to attend.

            Finally, there have been multiple special elections since 2020 and Democrats have consistently outperformed their pre-election polls. That’s good news for Democrats, regardless of how you try to spin it.

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                11 months ago

                No constituency? But I just heard that neo-liberals and suburbanites are the new Democratic constituency. And apparently that’s enough to win elections. Even against an amped up GOP base, one that is so amped up that they have already failed to stop Democrats because low turnout.

                I’m sure there is a story that makes sense in there, in which leftists are surely the main characters.

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                    11 months ago

                    No, if Biden loses I will not blame the left. Just as I didn’t blame them when Dukakis lost, Gore lost, Kerry lost, or Clinton lost.

                    The left, unfortunately, are irrelevant. They are simply too unreliable to form the base of a coalition. It is like blaming the youth for low turnout: what did you expect?

                    Which is why Democrats nearly always pivot towards moderates/independents when trying to build a coalition. This strategy has worked for most elections but not all, and when it fails the candidate must take the ultimate blame.

                    Finally, I am certainly interested in policy outcomes. Probably most of the same policy outcomes as the left.

                    However, I don’t demand that the DNC do everything I want right away. Being in a successful coalition means accepting that you will only get some of what you want. It means understanding that durable change is slow and incremental, and not wavering when faced with disappointment.

                    Biden has done a couple things I wanted, but by no means as much as I wanted. Yet a couple is good enough to keep my support. Because I’m not the main character either.