President Biden has faced growing drop-out pressure from Democratic lawmakers, donors and from some voter polling after his debate flop against Donald Trump.
Some of us live in states where our votes conveniently don’t matter. I don’t give a single fuck about performative voting. I care about winning, and Joe Biden is not going to win.
The popular vote is an important legitimizing factor in elections. If your logic is that the end result is preordained, maybe you shouldn’t be voting in any election where the difference between victory, tie, and defeat > your vote.
The popular vote is an important legitimizing factor in elections.
Yeah, that sounds good, but ultimately it is fucking meaningless. I’m all for the popular vote compact, but that isn’t reality right now.
If your logic is that the end result is preordained
It isn’t preordained. I am working off the available evidence, and every single piece of available evidence is that he is going to fucking lose. Joe Biden staying in this race is dooming this country, and when he loses I hope he is punished for his hubris.
I absolutely understand. You are in your feelings. I am living in reality. The electoral college is all that matters. That is what determines our elections, and is what will determine if we are able to sustain our strained democracy. When Biden loses the election and wins the popular vote you can carry all the water you want, but Trump will still be president.
I absolutely understand. You are in your feelings. I am living in reality.
I guess you missed the whole autocoup issue on Jan 6? Minor, I know, to people with only a passing interest in politics, but kind of integral. Clearly you don’t understand the effect the percieved legitimacy of a government has on its functioning and continuation.
So January 6th bad, President Putin and VP Trump is perfectly normal?
You’re concerned about legitimacy of government, functioning and its continuation while ignoring that there is a brain dead corpse that just gave a speech. That same brain dead corpse is running the world’s largest military, and can’t even form a cohesive sentence.
Yes, I thought that was apparent, but fascists like you always adore a good coup attempt.
President Putin and VP Trump is perfectly normal?
No, and I haven’t said as much.
You’re concerned about legitimacy of government, functioning and its continuation while ignoring that there is a brain dead corpse that just gave a speech. That same brain dead corpse is running the world’s largest military, and can’t even form a cohesive sentence.
Jesus fucking christ man. You are out to lunch. I’ve followed every single part of the political process in this country since I was like 11 years old. You are pissing me the fuck off now.
I watched January 6th live, I watched 9/11 live, I watched the invasion of Iraq live, I have diligently paid attention to every historical moment in my lifetime. The vast majority of the people under 50 in this country already think the government is illegitimate. It does not, and has not ever worked for them. The popular vote changes nothing. If you think it does then you are deluded.
You were doing what you incessantly accuse anyone who has been critical of Biden’s support for genocide of doing. You were encouraging people to stay home in the face of fascism.
Yes, I thought the absurdity of not voting unless you were the deciding vote was obvious enough, but clearly it went over your head. I’ll be less subtle next time, though I imagine I’ll need bright highlighter colors to get any less subtle.
He is a fucking liar, and intentionally wants to twist up the obvious context to fit his chosen narrative. In other words, a propagandist and a try-hard.
You should be ashamed to vote for that. To force that abhorrent excuse of a barely conscious individual onto the world stage to represent this incredible country.
His campaign is over. His money is going to dry up and we’re going to be stuck with a fascist because you can’t nut up and make a difficult decision. Fuck!
You should be ashamed to vote for that. To force that abhorrent excuse of a barely conscious individual onto the world stage to represent this incredible country.
Not happy about it, but I’d take a pet rock over fascism. Not really sure why you’re advocating otherwise.
His campaign is over. His money is going to dry up and we’re going to be stuck with a fascist
It’s funny that you seem to forget that when the issue of voting against fascism comes up.
because you can’t nut up and make a difficult decision. Fuck!
Wait, I’m the one not nutting up and making a difficult decision? Is that difficult decision ‘not voting and letting a fascist win’? Because that’s the only thing I’ve opposed here.
You may not like it, but you are embodying it. Deal with it.
By… advocating for a replacement for Biden, but also emphasizing that voting against fascism is non-negotiable for people who want to actually oppose fascism, and who aren’t ready to passively welcome it?
And this particular homie has every dnc talking point memorized. Dont get caught up in a slap fight with that one cuz no one out-types ol’ pugjesus lol. must type 120wpm, shits crazy
I’d fucking vote for a corpse over fascism. It’s sad that you feel otherwise.
Some of us live in states where our votes conveniently don’t matter. I don’t give a single fuck about performative voting. I care about winning, and Joe Biden is not going to win.
The popular vote is an important legitimizing factor in elections. If your logic is that the end result is preordained, maybe you shouldn’t be voting in any election where the difference between victory, tie, and defeat > your vote.
Yeah, that sounds good, but ultimately it is fucking meaningless. I’m all for the popular vote compact, but that isn’t reality right now.
It isn’t preordained. I am working off the available evidence, and every single piece of available evidence is that he is going to fucking lose. Joe Biden staying in this race is dooming this country, and when he loses I hope he is punished for his hubris.
Okay, so you don’t understand how governments act and sustain themselves. Cool.
I absolutely understand. You are in your feelings. I am living in reality. The electoral college is all that matters. That is what determines our elections, and is what will determine if we are able to sustain our strained democracy. When Biden loses the election and wins the popular vote you can carry all the water you want, but Trump will still be president.
I guess you missed the whole autocoup issue on Jan 6? Minor, I know, to people with only a passing interest in politics, but kind of integral. Clearly you don’t understand the effect the percieved legitimacy of a government has on its functioning and continuation.
So January 6th bad, President Putin and VP Trump is perfectly normal?
You’re concerned about legitimacy of government, functioning and its continuation while ignoring that there is a brain dead corpse that just gave a speech. That same brain dead corpse is running the world’s largest military, and can’t even form a cohesive sentence.
BlueMAGA has a new meaning tonight
Yes, I thought that was apparent, but fascists like you always adore a good coup attempt.
No, and I haven’t said as much.
How am I ignoring it?
Jesus fucking christ man. You are out to lunch. I’ve followed every single part of the political process in this country since I was like 11 years old. You are pissing me the fuck off now.
I watched January 6th live, I watched 9/11 live, I watched the invasion of Iraq live, I have diligently paid attention to every historical moment in my lifetime. The vast majority of the people under 50 in this country already think the government is illegitimate. It does not, and has not ever worked for them. The popular vote changes nothing. If you think it does then you are deluded.
Apparently it didn’t have much effect on you, considering your lackadaisical attitude towards legitimacy in government and political violence.
lol
PugJesus, encouraging people not to vote.
Sorry that I tried to demonstrate the ridiculousness of that logic by demonstrating its necessary defeatist conclusions.
Sure. That’s what you were doing.
You were doing what you incessantly accuse anyone who has been critical of Biden’s support for genocide of doing. You were encouraging people to stay home in the face of fascism.
Yes, I thought the absurdity of not voting unless you were the deciding vote was obvious enough, but clearly it went over your head. I’ll be less subtle next time, though I imagine I’ll need bright highlighter colors to get any less subtle.
“It was a jOkE!”
This is the internet. The odds of that guy actually being a staunch dem are very slim.
Yeah, elsewhere he gave “It’s a very complex issue 🥺” plea, unprompted, on whether Trump et co are fascist.
I believe you misread that or you’re a fucking liar. Either way, that’s not what I said.
He is a fucking liar, and intentionally wants to twist up the obvious context to fit his chosen narrative. In other words, a propagandist and a try-hard.
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I was talking about PugJesus, not you…
I realized that later. Sorry, my bad!
He went super fascist on me…about fascism. Fucking funny really.
Fascism is when you ask someone to explain something they said, and the more you ask, the more fascist it is, I guess.
Added bonus, you get a fascist corpse
Yes, yes I fucking do. And I don’t feel bad about it anymore. You should.
Cool, great, nice to know you don’t give a fuck about your fellow Americans.
I should feel bad for… voting against fascism?
You should be ashamed to vote for that. To force that abhorrent excuse of a barely conscious individual onto the world stage to represent this incredible country.
His campaign is over. His money is going to dry up and we’re going to be stuck with a fascist because you can’t nut up and make a difficult decision. Fuck!
Not happy about it, but I’d take a pet rock over fascism. Not really sure why you’re advocating otherwise.
It’s funny that you seem to forget that when the issue of voting against fascism comes up.
Wait, I’m the one not nutting up and making a difficult decision? Is that difficult decision ‘not voting and letting a fascist win’? Because that’s the only thing I’ve opposed here.
You don’t seem to be comprehending that the campaign is over. People are not going to vote for him. You can’t make them.
And distilling the complexities of American leadership and our standing in the world into fascism vs. dementia is just naïve and simpleminded.
There is time, but we need to move quickly and decisively. There is no time for nostalgia.
Okay, tell me about the ‘complexities’ of Trump as the other viable candidate, I’m interested in hearing this.
What the fuck are you people not hearing? There is time to find a replacement! But we need to move.
No, no, let’s stay on this.
Please explain what the fuck you meant by this.
You’re never going to break through the Blue MAGA brain rot. They are too far in denial. The grip of the sunk cost fallacy is too strong.
Sadly, you’re probably right. I’m just hoping there are enough people in positions of power to get the wheels moving on a replacement.
These people will just have to come along for the ride.
Again…Hard Agree.
Jesus Christ.
You may not like it, but you are embodying it. Deal with it.
By… advocating for a replacement for Biden, but also emphasizing that voting against fascism is non-negotiable for people who want to actually oppose fascism, and who aren’t ready to passively welcome it?
I don’t see much “advocating” from you. I see a lot of hand-wringing.
And this particular homie has every dnc talking point memorized. Dont get caught up in a slap fight with that one cuz no one out-types ol’ pugjesus lol. must type 120wpm, shits crazy
Good point. You caught me slipping. That’s my bad.