Grand.
I wonder what the shooter’s politics are.
Liberal: commie assassin
Conservative or other: oh, just mentally ill.
E: shot looked like it came from the left. I wonder if the shooter was outside the rally area at a distance. Anybody else hit?
A conservative shooting at Biden would end up giving the keynote at CPAC.
Maybe it was Cheney. He’ll make trump apologize.
Nah, we know Cheney can shoot a man in the head without missing.
“We Are All Terrorists”
I saw a video where they panned to the right, and it looked like a hydraulic line on a nearby lift was hit.
It’s about 15 seconds into this video
https://x.com/The_Nomad_News/status/1812252572755144900?t=AJ3ZsQZ50WBWWh7pF0vnew&s=19
This all looks staged to me.
Hit in the ear that’s away from the camera.
Falls to the ground obscured from view so someone can do up his makeup.
Bullet just happened to ricochet and hit a hose line for the hydraulic system of some lift to show it’s a “real” bullet.
Then Trump gets up raising his first triumphantly.
You couldn’t write a better scene for Trump if you tried.
Yeah. A real shooting would have had secret service taking him away. Within minutes, he’d be out of the area.
I feel like people would be panicking and trying to leave the area too, or being evacuated by staff. They all just kinda sit there though. And then they start cheering and chanting “USA, USA” when Trump gets back up, which is not the typical reaction I’d expect in the middle of an active shooter situation. At very least, the whole situation is bizarre.
Hydraulic lift was the most innocent bystander of all.
Can we all just calm down. Things are getting too crazy. Violence is not the way to go.
You’re only allowed to be violent if you’re a right winger. If you’re a leftie, the voting booths and protest signs are over there.
Good luck.
CNN is confirming gunfire.
Edit CNN is quoting local authorities confirming the shooter + 1 attendee are both dead.
2nd attendee severely injured.
CNN: shooter is dead and one bystander is dead as well.
Yup. CNN interviewed a witness who stated one man was shot in the head and killed instantly while a woman hit in the forearm and hand.
Turns out, calling out for violence over and over again or continuously calling for the blood of your opponents, threatening with imprisonment and a literal dictatorship, will be answered with violence. I am sooooooo shocked!
Get fucked. Hope the next marksman is luckier.
You can’t arbitrate with fascism? Who knew? History. History knows.
Lots of people seem keen to jump to this being staged. That makes zero sense: Trump was already winning before this, especially with Biden (his preferred opponent) looking to hang on to the nomination.
Trump was already winning before this
Do you just not understand how elections work? You don’t “win” before votes are cast.
Are you being wilfully pedantic, or do you not know that it’s possible to tell someone is ahead in a contest?
Polls are worthless now and response rates are too low to matter.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-can-election-2024-polls-really-tell-us/
Or, is this just your gut talking?
Polls have significant predictive power, especially when you poll reportedly and/or aggregate them. Which is why all political campaigns, R or D, spend literally millions running their own polling. Moreover, it’s now July, the first convention is literally coming up within days, so the excuse of being “far out from the election” no longer holds.
Totally agree with your last statement. I think I was just saying we’ll have to wait and see how this turns out.
winning in the court of public opinion
Which public? That’s their point. It’s a snapshot of people that do enter polls. I’m too fuckin busy to take time out of my day for that. But I will vote.
the republican voters, obviously.
conspiracy theorist in me sees several venues where it is Very beneficial to POTUS45 to stage this:
- finally come out as victim
- frame Biden/CIA/FBI as villains
- come out as “defiant” hero and rally support to the point where it’s a landslide win, where he would be able to go after anybody and anything he doesn’t like.
more wicked stuff comes to mind but I think above is sufficient . Fact that bullet grazed him and nobody around him in a tight setting is kind of strange, with his bravado on display with fist shaking. One can only dream for this election campaign video to be run on repe 24/7 on fox and other outlets, giving him more air time, and now that Biden asked everyone to read project2025 entire nation will be watching nothing but POTUS45. Still could be some morron that didn’t get his signature at the rally pulling out his Beretta…
Witness statement was that another attendee was shot in the head and killed and a 2nd in the forearm and hand.
sounds like, indeed bystanders been hit according to latest information. I still believe that POTUS45 would be OK sacrificing any number of people as long as it gets him power. No evidence of his involvement but entire story “smells”
There is no scenario where this helps Treason Trump. Now the entire world knows that Convicted Criminal and Sex Offender Treason Trump is so widely hated that people literally want to kill him. And now Treason Trump knows it too.
When he yells “fight”, what does he mean to fight for? Fight against freedom? I wonder the same thing when it comes to Qbert and Empty-G. Fight? What are they fighting for, exactly? More tax cuts for billionaires? More special privileges for xtians?
I was told today that someone we know is going to vote for donnie - because “economy”. What. The. Actual. Fuck. They said that the economy was better under donnie. I just can’t even. And this is someone that will be a target under fascist rule.
Their potato chips and beer have gone up a lot in the past few years, therefore we were in the economic golden age under Trump. Life is pretty simple for some people.
Yeah, I see that all the time for people that don’t even have to think about being targets - read: xtian white cishet males that are cons…this was someone that would definitely be in the crosshairs of the Project 2025 types. Repeating Bullshit Mountain style propaganda about “the economy”.
The economy won’t mean shit if you are a political prisoner or made a second class citizen…or even worse.
Finally someone uses their gun for its constitutional purpose.
Like the founding fathers would have wanted
Okay, this settles it: Biden is gonna be the nominee. Nobody else on the Dem side is gonna want to be the sacrificial lamb going up against Trump after today.
Would you stop with this shit. There is no scenario where the fact that you are so hated that somebody wants to kill you is a good thing.
A lot of deep haters here in the comments. Trump derangement syndrome is live and well in many coddled minds. I was a Trump fan back then but I realized that Trump was not getting anything done as president that Trump campaigned on during 2016 and ever since then, was no longer a fan and was quite dissapointed. Came to realize Trump was an egomaniac at best.
However I do not wish for voilence. I do not see him as a good option as president in 2024 due to his track record of getting nothing done during his first term. However for lefties to hate Trump because “The TV told me so” and being spoon fed with the opinion that “Trump is the next Hitler” is such mental gymastics. Look lefties, Trump is not a threat to your woke agenda, he did not drain the swamp in 2017, he hired the swamp. I am sure if he wins in 2024, he will hire the swamp in 2025 again and it will just be four years of fuck all nothing.
Chill the fuck out.
Worthless asshole just gave him the election.
He should’ve practiced more
NYT photographer got the photo of the bullet, it seems that TMZ’s reporting that it was glass from the teleprompter is not correct:
https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/1812293722832318726
Well that certainly blows up any argument it was staged. You don’t fake shoot a real bullet past your fake targets head.
That isolated tweet with the pic doesn’t claim to be from NYT or a NYT photographer. I’ve never heard of this “spectator index”. Here is the AP collection of photos from the event.
If I do assume that’s a bullet, let’s test if the size of the streak makes sense. A bullet travels at about 750m/s. That streak (using Trump’s head for scale) is about 50cm long, or 1/2 meter. A 750 m/s bullet travels 1/2 meter in 1/1500 seconds. When you consider projection effects (we might not be looking with a line-of-sight perpendicular to the bullet’s trajectory), we expect the length and time used in my above calculations to be lower bounds, with the true answer probably being within about a factor of 3 of that bound. This means that this image only makes sense as a bullet if the shutter speed is between 1/1500 and 1/500 seconds. That lines up with this website’s recommendation of 1/1000 second exposure time for bright outdoor shots.
Either a very good fake that considered the kinematics, or this is a real image of the bullet.
Thanks! With the information in the article you just linked, I am now very suspicious that this is a picture of the bullet, where I previously thought it was plausible from my low-precision estimate. From the article:
“If the gunman was firing an AR-15-style rifle, the .223-caliber or 5.56-millimeter bullets they use travel at roughly 3,200 feet per second when they leave the weapon’s muzzle,’’ Mr. Harrigan said. “And with a 1/8,000th of a second shutter speed, this would allow the bullet to travel approximately four-tenths of a foot while the shutter is open.”
Same procedure, but an AR-15 shoots a bullet faster than the speed for a generic bullet that I used, and the shutter speed was faster because it was a fancy NYT camera. 3200ft/s is almost exactly 1000m/s. The 1/8000s shutter speed is the fact that seems the most reliable, assuming that the photographer knew what setting their camera was on.
What I disagree with is that that streak is only 0.4 feet long. The average size of a human male head (brow to back of head) is about 20cm, or 8in per this image from Wikipedia. The streak from the bullet in the image is about twice the size of Trump’s head, or 40cm/16in. Due to projection effects, this is a lower bound on the path of the bullet during the 1/8000s exposure. This puts a lower bound on the speed of 3200m/s. This is over three times the velocity of an AR-15, at minimum. Either this was some super-high-powered rifle to fire the bullet that fast, the shutter speed is misquoted (or a misleading representation of the exposure time), or this isn’t picture of the bullet.
Thanks for providing the data to make me suspicious that this is an image of the bullet.
3200ft/s is muzzle velocity, that’s going to drop over the distance.
Plus the velocity depends on how hot the load is. An AR-15 can be as high as 3,200, but it can alao be lower.
https://www.spartanarmorsystems.com/understanding-bullet-speed-how-distance-affects-armor
drop over the distance
Very true, but it was only 300".
Right, all more reasons the streak in the image is too fast to be an AR bullet.
What also doesn’t make sense is, if you roughly line up his arm position in the three NYT stills vs going frame by frame in the video/audio playback captured by the various news outlets, he raises his hand to his ear nearly 2/3rds a second after the audio recorded first shot, which, given bullet velocity and distance traveled was probably nearly a full second after the first shot (so a super slow reaction time, which normal nervous system reaction time is .150-.300/sec), since you’ll hear (and audio record) the shot roughly 5 frames after it’s passed by. He starts to lift his hand off the podium at nearly the same time the second shot estimates to be fired, and maybe 3-4 frames before the first posted NYT pic catches the bullet supposedly whizzing by.
assuming that the photographer knew what setting their camera was on
The photographer would definitely know even if the camera was in a mode that selects the shutter speed automatically because it’s embedded in the image file’s metadata, which is shown in software used for image processing.
Note publishing and social media platforms usually strip metadata from images.
I love how this is a “heinous act” even though the dipshit in charge of 25 basically said theyd kill the left if they were against them
Dammit! So close!
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Trump is just a symptom. There’s even more deranged people coming up behind him.
That doesn’t make it ok. It also is even more of a reason to stop him.
Who cares? I’m perfectly fine treating the symptoms until we can develop a proper course of treatment.
A symptom ppl rally behind. Gop will hopefully tear itself apart more if he was out of picture.
did the attenders draw their guns and stop the assasin?
More likely someone fired at him in celebration in those rallies.
just saw the news at it was kinda wierd. did not seem like anyone behind him got hit and he was hit in the ear and pumped his fist after ward. They said metal detectors are used so sounds like a sniper type thing. I sorta think they likely would figure out the origin. I wonder if they have him or are after them but don’t want to update yet.
Did you see the cherry picker gush fluid and fall. I think a hydraulic line popped hit someone and police started shooting in that general direction as is usual.
It seems odd that a bullet might have grazed his ear yet not shot anyone or anything behind him. Also, the picture of his bloodied ear and the splatter make it look like the shot came from behind him.
I wouldn’t be surprised if those people sitting behind him are deceptively far away.
Especially at the angle he was standing. Either an amazing accident, or something suspicious. Still not sure if this wasn’t staged. The whole thing seems weird as hell.
Also if it’s a sniper whyd he put his head up again?
Alert went out that the shooter was down. SS kept him down until then.
ok so they did get the shooter. Did they way if it was in front or behind?
No word on that yet, just that the shooter is confirmed dead + one other attendee, and a 2nd attendee is severely injured.
Apparently one person is dead, another injured. Also, the shooter has been killed by the Secret Service. (According to CBC news).
Damn this is worst case dude is going to be made a maytr for this bs.
He’ll make himself into one if they’re not fast enough.
His base will embrace it. The question is will the center. I know I am not, as a centrist. But I only speak for myself.
I think you’ll find the polls tomorrow the same as the polls today.
Stop saying “he’ll be a martyr.”
This gets touted any time any consequence could come to him. Saying this makes it a lose lose situation. Either we let him get away and do whatever or “he’s a martyr.” No. He reaps whatever consequences come to him for his actions. It shouldn’t come as an assassination, but he has to have some consequence for what he does.
If only he were a martyr from this, but he survived. You have to die to be a martyr.
That distinction won’t matter to him or his followers.
