Go take a stop the bleed course & learn to shoot a rifle now.
It makes me so mad when people pretend that we shouldn’t take this seriously. Aaaand even if he hadn’t already promised to become a fascist dictator, taking the shit he says seriously in that scenario would still be better than not taking it seriously in the scenerio where he has already promised to become a fascist dictator, which is the scenario we are living.
He literally rallied a violent mob to try and overturn the last election.
Like, you have to be a moron to think he’s “joking” about trying to be a fascist dictator.
In 50 years this quote will be in textbooks and students will wonder how people nowadays could not see the signs
Well it’ll either be in the chapter:
How Trump Saved America, The South Has Risen
Or
Democracy Survived, How America Repelled a Fascist
Or possibly: The Fall of the American Empire
The fall of the American republic…the fall of the empire comes a bit later
It might be, but he has so many quotes that you could say this about.
“I just wanted fiscal responsibility!1!” says man that wasted money on Trump merch.
Well, there’s Hitler who did exactly the same: publish a book, try not one but several coups, still get named chancelier legally. In France we like them too: we have 2 Napoléon who did the same thing. It almost happened another time in 1958, but the man they put in power was reasonable for once.
I watched the video itself. He barely mentioned it and it pretty obviously was one of his on-the-spot incoherent ramblings that he was just trying to form into a somewhat coherent thought. But the media and memes have been milking it for 3 days straight. That was a 1-day milk, 2-day at most. I’m sure he has done something moronic more recently, let’s move on.
Aaaaaand that’s how you end up with an authoritarion fascist regime.
You end up with an authoritarian regime by saying things everybody already knows? I’ll be careful not to tell people that water is wet.
Am I right that the most charitable possible interpretation is that he only needs four more years to permanently fix the country, and then he’ll leave office, and the country will be so great forever that it’d be OK not to vote - because the country is so perfect and beautiful?
It’s a stupid thing to say given the horrible horrible possible other interpretation (dictator for life). But I wonder what his buddies and apologists would claim he meant.
No, my actual interpretation is explained in another response. I’m still very confused how people think that I’m in any way pro-Trump, while I called him moronic in the same comment. And this was your “most charitable” interpretation?
Tl;dr: I was taking about media blowing it out of proportion based on how he said it, causing desensitization.Fair point. You seemed to have the most nuanced response in the thread, so offering too little context I jumped into a question for you about what he could have actually meant if not “I’ll be a dictator forever”. And indeed, I found some apologists responding to criticism, and they did sound like they took what I imagined was the most charitable interpretation of what the ex-president said.
Were I in the media, I’d try to run a headline that squashed in that felon president said something shocking libs who interpreted dictator rhetoric while proponents only heard boasting or positive thinking.
Yeah, I’ve been know for being too brief for my own good.
You’re one of those people that believes you shouldn’t believe someone when they tell you who they are.
Can I borrow $50?
Casual complacency when faced with actual dictator rhetoric? Bold strategy.
Relax, everybody, he only talks about being a dictator because he has brain worms!
Up the shut fuck.
Why is Lemmy so rich in people hell-bent on interpreting comments in the worst possible light, then make assumptions about the author based on that interpretation of a single comment? Oh and then proceed to be rude, in one shape or form.
Do better, people. Don’t be jerks.
Could the response be based on the things you wrote? No, surely it’s everyone else who’s wrong.
My guy. Your comment explicitly says “let’s move on” from mentioning that The Idiot is screaming the quiet part, not for the first time. Your dismissive minimization of this event is that he’s just rambling incoherently. About fascism. About the fascism he plans to do. After the failed coup d’etat, and the repeated efforts to prevent, ignore, or overturn the previous election. Just locker-room braggadocio, right?
Maybe - maybe! - people are still talking about it, after a whole seventy-two hours, because it’s FUCKING TERRIFYING.
Not everyone is wrong. But it happens occasionally and then people pile on. I’m guessing it’s just people looking for an outburst.
My comment says “media and memes should stop milking it”. Which is the only thing that they are doing. There’s nothing to discuss. This isn’t news, we all already know he’s a fascist dictator. The only problem is that some people support it. You should’ve started being terrified long ago when he was acting like a dictator, not when he accidentally mumbled being one.
Right, because I learned all this yesterday. I’m the one with a comment that’s downplaying how bad this is. You are explaining to me why a dozen people felt that brushing aside this latest horror deserved blunt objection.
Totally my fault for saying this known fascist “barely mentioned” the end of democracy, in what was surely just extemporaneous regurgitation of what his inner circle constantly floats. I shouldn’t have called people flipping the fuck out, over that actionable threat to the entire country, “milking it.” Glibly blaming “media” is a common dog-whistle and must be why people are “hell-bent on interpreting” shitheel beliefs, as surely as dismissing their plain-English reading of my own words as twisting them through dishonest motivation, by saying they’re “hell-bent” on that “worst possible light.” All made worse by complaining people “make assumptions” by responding directly to my stated beliefs.
I meant something else entirely and used all the wrong words.
My bad.
I wasn’t downplaying anything, after everything discussed, you still insist that I somehow don’t care about what he said.
I would also not complain if people engaged in good faith and were trying to politely convince me that I’m somehow wrong. But instead it was just assumptions and insults. Yes, I’m absolutely not in the wrong for stating my reasonable, but perhaps controversial opinion. It’s the people who attack and be rude who are in the wrong.
But anyway, while we were arguing here media has already moved on to another thing, so all good here. Apparently, he said something like “criminals are criminals”.
I am telling you what you explicitly wrote.
This is what those words mean.
People accurately paraphrasing the egregious parts, and telling you to stop saying that shit, is a common form of good-faith criticism. We’re not “assuming” anything. We read what you wrote. Whatever secrets you keep in your heart don’t fucking matter - we speak English, you wrote ‘he’s just blathering,’ we object. Learn something from the experience.
He said it 3 times and it’s pretty obvious and clear what he means.
Why would we move on from his admitting to what we all know, his goal is the end of our Republic.
What the hell are you talking about, we should NOT move on, that’s been the problem all along.
“Sure, there’s a whole written plan about this you can read for yourself on the internet, but he barely mentioned that he has a plan to become a dictator. It doesn’t really mean you should care.” - that asshole, probably
Wait I have another one.
“I mean, he’s just rambling incoherently. It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t give him access to our nuclear arsenal.” - that same asshole, almost certainly
Wait, are you calling me an asshole? Just because I’m tired about hearing old news for 3 days?
Boy, people on Lemmy are no better at making assumptions about people out of thin air.
Exactly, we all already know this. Democrats and those who weren’t gonna vote for him anyway already know this and it won’t affect their vote. Republicans and those who were gonna vote for him really hope he’s a dictator and are glad to hear this. Will continue to vote for him.
Him accidentally stumbling into sorta saying it openly doesn’t change anything.
You underestimate how many ignorant non-voters can make or break any election. We need to bring out the roots and the mycelium to guarantee the fascists lose. If we don’t win by a wide enough margin, some state legislatures might succeed in overturning close races. They will try to throw out the will of the people of there’s enough ambiguity. They failed in 2020, but the last 4 years have been dedicated to making it possible. We need enough swing states to prevent the steal they projected onto us.
No amount of fear or concern is unwarranted. There is no overblowing the threat. We need to scream and yell for our fucking lives, or there will be no tomorrow for many. I will not pretend that your bullshit about “moving on” has any reasonable place in the conversation. We cannot look away from the monster charging us. If we lose concentration, people will die.
I totally agree with you, and in no way Trump should be taken lightly. But my original comment was misinterpreted by many people and it steered some of my following responses (like the one you’re replying to now) in a different direction. My original point (laid out in a response to another comment) is that this specific case of blowing things out of proportion by the media causes desensitization and will only reduce the engagement in the future. And this happens often, Trump will say something insane or fascist in his unstructured dementia-induced rambling speech, and then never mention it again. Meanwhile, the media will put it on full blast for a week for the views. People will focus on that one-off stupid thing he said and miss the real issues with him and his party that need to be address.
At this point I’ll admit that using “let’s move on” was a little bit triggering and acted like a red herring. Everybody thought I mean “let’s move on from discussing Trump being fascist”, while I really meant “let’s focus on actual issues”.
That makes some sense, but Trump being a fascist dictator is an issue that needs to be talked about, especially for the left wing people who think they can sit this election out for some bullshit reason.
I’m honestly baffled by how many upvotes this take is getting. “Let’s move on from Trump’s fascist rhetoric” is not a take I would expect to be popular with this community.
Yeah man, a presidential candidate with a real chance of winning is telling his base that he’ll get rid of elections as president, and this is something that his biggest wealthiest supporters actually want him to do. Multibillion dollar right-wing think tanks that work directly with him are openly discussing how the “Democratic experiment” has failed, and that Washington should be “burned to save America”.
He checks off just about every other box on the fascism checklist too, including genocide…
But I would hate to overreact, so I’ll just pretend it didn’t happen.
/s
If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.
RIP Keef
If the law stays the same, he can’t serve more than two terms and this will be his second. Possible that if he gets in a second time, I doubt he cares if anyone votes again.
That is what I was hoping he is referring to. But if I’m completely honest, the “I will make myself King of Murica” approach sounds more realistic
The law will not stay the same if he wins.
He could do a Putin, where terms just switch with a subordinate, and he can extend it forever.
I would certainly not trust anything he says to eventually have a good purpose.
Holy fuck…
He knows that their age is high enough or their IQ low enough that they won’t likely be alive anymore by the next election cycle.
Saying the quiet part out loud…
seriously it’s like those newspapers that reported the assassination of archduke franz ferdinand as good for global peace
Or just the numerous attempts against Hitler, including one the year before he took power.
If you’re a leftist in the US and you want to really scare the shit out of conservatives, get a gun and learn how to use it.
If they ever manage to take away our voting rights, they’re not gonna give them back just cause we asked nicely.
Doesn’t work. I have several. And I have a concealed carry. A conservative knowing these things has never been scared. They use it as an excuse to pull out theirs because they think like children and have to show and tell. Even if it’s in a public place, like the damn corner of a courthouse. Which is not the kind of place a responsible adult should ever reveal a weapon.
Yikes. My condolences. That sounds stressful, to say the least.
I have a concealed curry, in case me wife eats it
You’re a fucking coward and would run as soon as you heard a gunshot, just like every gun-owning coward in the US 😂
Hi macho privileged 15 year old from suburbia
I have a concealed curry, in case me wife eats it
Are you a pirate that is just always prepared to celebrate your wife’s death with a tasty noodle or rice dish?
Running is a very good strategy. In non-stand your ground states if you have the opportunity to run you have a legal obligation to. It means you aren’t in immediate danger. In a stand your ground state you have the option to run. But if the person shooting isn’t visible then sneaking around with a gun trying to find them is how a good-guy with a gun ends up dead like John Hurley.
Part of being a responsible gun owner is knowing when to run.
john hurley took the mass shooter’s gun and was killed by the cops, him sneaking around was the part that lead to him killing the shooter
And getting killed. First rule of engagement is to survive.
very occasionally, acting heroically is worth dying for. but one major rule to surviving is to believe that the cops will act as bad as they possibly can
oh, i thought i was trigger happy and obsessed with using my gun. just tryna figure out which generalization it is
A-ha but if I call out a contradiction in their opinions surely they will fold.
Just let them gain power for a short time and people will see their true face and not vote for them again. Worked in Germany. The NSDAP never got a majority of votes.
the nazi occupation being notably bloodless and easy to get rid off…
And allow them to get their message out on every possible platform all the time. This will not normalize hate speech and recruit members at all but will make people will see they are evil and ignore at them until they evaporate.
Did you know that the leader of the NSDAP took his life once he realized that he has failed? While this is a sad fate of an individual, it tells alot about how people can be chastened not by silencing them but quite the opposite way.
Even better - the leader of the NSDAP killed Hitler! Truly a hero of democracy 🫡
We celebrate people who tried but not the one who succeeded. Makes you think.
Also, learn how to fly drones if you can, if (when?) things go shit-fan-hitting globally, that seems like a really useful skill to have in your group, considering how the face of warfare looks at the moment.
With a quick reminder: If you in any way can, don’t do this solo, connect with others, don’t get arrogant about it, either. The fascist preppers have a huge weakness in their narcissistic individualist “I am better than the sheep” prepping style. Being able to actually support and organise a community in the potentially coming chaos is important.
Don’t know how credible this article is, but I will post this just in case: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/27/us/politics/trump-votes-christians.html
I mean it’s the NYTimes. I don’t necessarily like their editorial biases, but I trust them on statements of fact like definitively saying Trump said x, because I trust them to not want to be sued for libel.
