538's polling column about Project 2025, vaccines, the child tax credit and which party is more "weird."
  • RunningInRVA@lemmy.world
    41·
    3 months ago

    Unfavorable views of the project rose the most among Democrats, for whom the plan’s net favorability dropped by a whopping 36 percentage points, but it also became less popular among the smaller share of Republicans who had heard of the project: Net favorability for Project 2025 dropped 9 points among those who identified as MAGA supporters and 17 points among other Republicans.

    I would love to be a fly on the wall when these Republicans finally come to realize who and what they have been supporting all of this time.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
    79·
    3 months ago

    I said this in another thread and I will keep repeating it because I think it’s important: if you know anyone who is a veteran or has a loved one who is a veteran, make sure they know that veteran’s benefits will be severely cut if Project 2025 is implemented.

    • AquaTofana@lemmy.world
      17·
      3 months ago

      As someone currently serving, it fucking boggles my mind that anyone who has ever served could be in favor of the Republican party. Even without Project 2025 threatening veteran benefits.

      So many of us have been to actual locations where the Church has a stranglehold on the government/is the government. My husband has stories from Afghanistan. I went to Qatar, which, is a “progressive” middle eastern country. I could wear tshirts and knee length shorts, but I was also not allowed to ride in an elevator with the opposite sex, and I was heavily questioned when I tried to buy cigarettes until a male coworker intervened and assured that I could. Not to mention the FUCKING INSANE wealth disparity. Palaces gilded in gold for the government/rich/churches and literal shacks made out of whatever material could be cobbled together in the rural areas outside of Doha.

      Why the fuck would anyone who has seen that first hand want to support anything that could even remotely resemble a world like that?

      • Revan343@lemmy.ca
        5·
        3 months ago

        Why the fuck would anyone who has seen that first hand want to support anything that could even remotely resemble a world like that?

        Because they think they’ll be the ones in the gold palaces, and they don’t give a fuck about anybody else

      • Avatar_of_Self@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        3 months ago

        Then they’ll get out and pay attention to how much the GOP hates funding the VA and veteran programs in general.

        Republicans as a party are generally “Support the troops but fuck the veterans!” just like always. It blows my mind that there are veterans that are also working class that are MAGA because they are getting fucked over twice as much from the very party that they support.

        • nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee
          1·
          3 months ago

          it’s like “save the fetuses but fuck the newly born, especially if you’re not white and without parents in a heterosexual relationship!”

  • dactylotheca@suppo.fiEnglish
    133·
    3 months ago

    the former president’s campaign has disavowed the project and recently went so far as to say its “demise would be greatly welcomed,” while Trump urged his supporters to boo it at a campaign rally.

    You’ll have to excuse me if I don’t believe for a fucking second that this is anything but optics. It’s not like conservatives have to explicitly say they’re following the playbook, but they obviously already are – many Republican lawmakers are members of the conservative organizations that wrote the fucking thing (see eg. this bit of news from TN)

    • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
      671·
      3 months ago

      Yeah for anyone really paying attention Project 2025 wasn’t the smoke, or even the fire. It’s just a picture of the fire that’s been burning since Barry Goldwater irrevocably shifted what the Republican party was and should be.That event shifted everything to the right because Democrats are still operating under the assumption that the two parties are left and right, and that the general populace sort of exists between the two. We see all those graphs about how only 40% of eligible American voters vote, and I think a lot of people read those charts wrong. Those aren’t voters who don’t give a shit, those are voters living in places where their jurisdiction is so skewed they don’t feel the need to vote, and people who look at the whole political system and see a massive shell game where everyone’s fighting to wield power, but no one’s really challenging if it’s good to live in such a top down administrative landscape where corporations are allowed to do whatever without accountability, and they don’t see much of anyone trying to do anything about that. Think about if you’re a DC or Hawaiian voter with deeply held social convictions and who’s running for office is a neo-fascist and a neo-liberal. How motivated are you to get to the polls when you know all your neighbors see the same thing you’re seeing. Your whole community is going to half heartedly show up for the neo-liberal, so you stay home, and then your jurisdiction goes 70% for the candidate you wanted. Sure, the margin could have been bigger if you showed up, but you’re broke and poor, and working those hours that day got you enough that you can celebrate with your kids tonight that the neo-fascist didn’t win. It’s been months since you had pizza. It would really make them happy watch the results roll in while you have a special treat.

      We need this election to be a total shit show for the republicans. Like totally painting the canvas with them kinds of beat down. And then, come January, when the Democrats take office, we need to show up in the streets and show them we don’t like them either. Our politicians are so beholden to financiers and so isolated from our needs that I don’t even think they realize we don’t like any of them. Think about this. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, according to her positions, and according to polls of Americans, is completely aligned with American interests. She wants to do what we ALL want to do. And how many people see her as an evil virus from Satan because that’s what Fox told them she was. How many people see her as a naive idealist who doesn’t understand the full picture because that’s what NBC and CBS told them she is. She’s painted as a radical leftist when really… She’s a centrist. She’s the exact middle of America.

      That’s the fucked up political reality we live in.

      • BarqsHasBite@lemmy.world
        114·
        3 months ago

        everything to the right because Democrats are still operating under the assumption that the two parties are left and right

        The Dems have had all 3 of the presidency, the house of representatives, and the Senate for 4 of the last 24 years. Or 6 of the last 32 years. Or 6 of the last 44 years. They are forced to go to the center to find voters. They have been on an epic losing streak because the left never shows up to vote.

        • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
          16·
          3 months ago

          I’m saying that the center isn’t where the voters are hiding. They’ve gotten dragged into the Republican vortex, and it’s working in the republicans favor. I do get what you’re saying though. The left in this current state of being does need to vote blue no matter who, but I think the dems are leaving votes out on the table by trying to appeal to a group of people who hasn’t existed for a long time: swing voters who might vote blue, or might vote red, they’re just not sure yet. They need to start asking “How do we get the voters who just… Aren’t”

          • BarqsHasBite@lemmy.world
            82·
            3 months ago

            As bizarre as we find it, swing voters do exist. And they are worth double because it’s a vote taken away from the other party and a vote for you. That’s who they go for because the left never shows up.

            • ripcord@lemmy.world
              4·
              3 months ago

              You’re both right, but I’d love to see some actual data showing who is more right.

              Based on anecdotal evidence I would guess they are much more correct, and the segment you’re talking about exists but is pretty tiny.

  • spyd3r@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    384·
    3 months ago

    I just want the government to leave me and my rights and my property alone… is that too much to ask???

    • skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de
      22·
      3 months ago

      It’s crazy that your comment was the purported Republican platform for a long time, and they transmogrified into the fascist trash party that Orwell wrote about, that the Empire was in films, and that the Nazis were in real life. All because a bunch of US-based domestic terrorist fundies are running a theocratic “war” against freedom, democracy, and choice. How Orange DonOld the Weird, the rapist with 34 felonies is their figurehead makes even less sense.

    • primrosepathspeedrun@lemmy.world
      1·
      3 months ago

      yes, it’s a government, if it did any of those things on purpose, it would be illegitimate/weak.

      it must fuck up your shit, to prove it can fuck up your shit, to prove it can fuck up anyone’s shit.

  • UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world
    701·
    3 months ago

    If it doesn’t work out this election… They won’t stop. They have been planning this for over 40 years. They have NI INTENTION of stopping. They will try again unless they are stopped

  • Optional@lemmy.world
    312·
    3 months ago

    I have to wonder what their point is. trump supporters pretend to not like it and it is the literal roadmap for what they’re 100% going to vote for. Most probably don’t care.

    And saying Democrats don’t like it is like saying there’ll be a Tuesday next week.

  • Boozilla@lemmy.worldEnglish
    311·
    3 months ago

    Americans want affordable housing, affordable health care, better gun regulations, a true ceasefire, and many other things that the establishment politicians don’t give AF about.

      • Boozilla@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        3 months ago

        90% of Americans want something done about guns. They disagree on the details, but common sense things like Universal Background Checks are very popular. I know it’s common to depict all Americans as “hamburger, humburger, bang bang bang!” but a lot of people think AR-15 and similar weapons being allowed in the hands of civilians is absurd.

  • Queen HawlSera@lemm.eeEnglish
    16·
    3 months ago

    At this point the only reason to vote for Trump is if your brains have been replaced with a yogurt or you’re a monster

    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
      9·
      3 months ago

      I can forgive the 2016 Trump voters, Hillary campaigned with Kissinger after all, but America needs to wake up to the realization that a third of the country are actual monsters.