• mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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    3 months ago

    One, you mean e.g., not i.e.

    Two, that’s super not what nu-metal was about. It was extremely targeted to an audience of edgelord teenagers.

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    3 months ago

    What if I say all trek is both NuTrek and OldTrek because accidental time travel

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    3 months ago

    Based on a real situation I encountered once: Normal Star Trek Fan: Yeh, I like Seven of Nine.

    “Red flag” Star Trek Fan: I like Seven of Nine.

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    3 months ago

    I mean, technically everything from TNG onwards would be NuTrek and Kelvin-stuff would be NuNuTrek, or rather Re-Trek, since it’s a reboot.

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      NuTrek started when they did a full visual reboot, including completely changing the look of the Klingons: TMP.

      Then it got worse, when they followed that up with a grimdark shoot-em-up that felt nothing like Trek. These people aren’t even fans of the show!

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        3 months ago

        Who wanted a visual reboot of the Klingons?

        Discovery had so many problems for me: ship flies on magic mushrooms, her mom basically doesn’t care about her anymore by the end of it - the show-starting plot line, and the Klingons look like sweaty orcs.

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          What’s wrong with the magic mushrooms? It’s not like Trek was ever hard sci-fi when it came to how the ships fly. For crying out loud, in Voyager they went so fast they were everywhere at once, then Tom Paris and Janeway had salamander babies.

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            It just felt so cliche, that the crazy discovery they make is that the strange stuff is alive. The writers couldn’t make it sentient because then they’d need to explain why it’s just like the Great Lake but different from the Great Lake. It just exists and Star Fleet happens to be the only ones who know about it.

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          Who wanted a visual reboot of the Klingons?

          Gene Roddenberry, I guess. IMO the guy really fell off when he turned Trek into a saturday morning cartoon show. But yeah, sweaty orc is right, just look at these monstrosities:

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            lol, I love that you’re conflating the creator having the budget to make the show more in-line with his original vision with someone else making a lousy change for no clear reason. It’s a nice knee-slapper of a comment you have right there. Good luck with it.

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              TV and movie productions are collaborative efforts undertaken by a huge number of creative people, and I don’t think any of them make their decisions for no reason. The “original creator” of the Klingons was Gene L. Coon, who had nothing to do with their portrayal in TMP.

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                  That footnote points to an uncredited trekplace article from 2004 that itself has no citations. There was never an “original vision" that Klingons have bumpy heads, that was an idea entirely original to TMP.

                  Anyway, how do we feel about the Star Trek III redesign? In TMP it was one hairless bump that was supposed to represent a spinal column, running all the way from the back over the cranium. TSFS and onward, suddenly it was a flatter, wider set of ridges that was localized only to the forehead, with a full head of hair behind it. For some reason I’m always seeing people act like those are the same design, but to me the differences are glaringly obvious.

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          Yeah, who wanted this visual reboot of the Klingons between old trek and nutrek?

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        completely changing the look of the Klingons

        You are talking about the TOS movies/TNG? Never understand the forehead thing either

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          Yeah, I’m facetiously comparing the 1979 arguments over bumpy headed Klingons to the 2017 arguments over cone headed Klingons. What’s “new” keeps on changing, but the arguments about it stay eerily familiar.

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    There’s NuTrek and there’s new trek, one is bad and one is after your favorite series. It’s a rectangles and squares situation

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    I’ve taken to the term 3rd-wave Trek for the 2010s-present shows to identify the stylistic differences in production compared to shows made in the 80s-90s or 60s.

    Each era is molded by the media conventions of it’s time. And there I go reinventing Marshal McLuhan again: “the medium is the message”

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      Where do you put ENT? I say it feels very different from the not much earlier VOY but not as a wave in its own right. And while we’re at it: TAS

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    3 months ago

    maybe I’ve consumed more and more scifi over the years to compare to or maybe the later releases of trek have lowered the average in my mind but I can’t help but see trek in general as solidly mid now

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      3 months ago

      I hadn’t watched any Trek in a while and in Picard there was a scene where their ship was hit and started listing like a boat and I was like “that’s not how space works!”, then remembered that’s the thing with Star Trek.

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        I mean, once your have artificial gravity… why wouldn’t it suck just like normal gravity?

        People lurch around the bridge because some photon torpedo rocked the “down is this way” machine.

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          Oh inside the ship definitely, but outside space doesn’t have a down. If a photon torpedo really hit the front it would push the ship backwards, not to the front and down. But it’s ok, it’s just a bit of fun 🚀

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      As long as you don’t take every available opportunity to steer every single online conversation towards how you don’t like a tv show then we’re cool

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          But they did share it and were cool about it. It’s people who say stuff like “this is shit and people who like it are shit” that need to cool their jets.

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      3 months ago

      This is the good take. Star Trek peaked at DS9 and there’s yet to be a good reason to continue past it.

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          3 months ago

          Ah yes, “my opinion is infallible and I’m righteous for screaming it from the rooftops, but your opposing opinion is ignorant and worthy of dismissal!”

          Red flag indeed, friend.

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        Never liked VOY, writing is poor… Not interesting sci-fi like TNG, not a captivating story like DS9…
        The Doctor is essentially the only good part. Maybe Seven of Nine, Jery Ryan is a great actress, despite the embarrassing clothing.

        SNW is good, DIS is whack. PIC essentially crapped all over the past series’ development, killed Hugh, Ro, Icheb, made the Federation grimdark… Monk Worf was cool tho.

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          Voyager’s writing is inconsistent. There’s some fantastic episodes… and then there’s salamanders.

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            I’m watching Voyager with my kids. Janeway is pretty bad ass given her position as the sole federation representative in the delta sector. We are however using a watchlist and skipping the filler episodes rather than going for the completionist approach.

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              That’s a very correct point of view. Janeway IS cool and the show had such potential, but there are so many wasted opportunities…

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              Janeway has Q powers, she gets into all kinds of shit she has no chance of getting out, and she just… does, somehow. It’s really bad writing… Plus Voyager is ALWAYS getting disabled! WTF, you guys should stay away from encounters, that ship is made of glass… even tho they, again, succeed somehow in the end.

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            True, but the feeling is that in general Voyager was hard to watch.

            I rewatched TNG and DS9 several times from start to finish and almost skipped no episodes (though in later rewatches of DS9 I’m skipping the alternate universe ones since I can’t bear them). I tried rewatching VOY and I just can’t. Sure I can rewatch some of the awesome episodes from the show, but I can’t watch it from start to finish since I find most episodes to be cringey (even if I like most of the actors and their characters, but something doesn’t work when watching entire episodes).

            Unrelated: I watched DIS until it was on Netflix (and deemed it an action TV series that’s got nothing to do with Star Trek) and watched only a few episodes of PIC until it turned into the “fellowship of the ring” with the introduction of a sword wielding elf. Should I squeeze my nose and dive into it again and try to finish it?

            I’ll watch SNW as soon as I can. Still haven’t gotten around it

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              VOY episodes just leave you with nothing. Sure, stuff happened, but… you feel like it doesn’t matter. It’s sad because they had the chance to really make something cool, 5-year-exploration missions pale in comparison to travelling back from the other side of the galaxy.

              You can watch the last season of PIC, it’s essentially a noir-action show in a scifi setting, but… WATCH SNW NOW!

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              Discovery started off as an action show, then suddenly added 10 minute long unrelated montages in the middle of action scenes. That killed it for me.

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              TNG I would skip most of Season 1 and probably a decent chunk of Season 2 on a rewatch.

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    I will always have a special place in my heart for the Kevin timeline because it was my gateway drug to the good stuff. I wound up watching all of Star Trek in chronical order enterprise to Voyager.

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    Why is so much of memes nowadays just people claiming to be better then everyone else? I had assumed the trek fans were less of snobs than this. Not only does this insult fellow trek fans but metal fans in the process. If this community is the only thing holding lemmy togther, i guess i don’t need to be on the internet anymore.