PHOENIX (AP) — Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vance said Thursday that he lamented that school shootings are a “fact of life" and argued the U.S.
    • SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world
      13·
      1 year ago

      19 Countries with the Most School Shootings (total incidents Jan 2009-May 2018 - CNN):

      United States — 288

      Mexico — 8

      South Africa — 6

      Nigeria & Pakistan — 4

      Afghanistan — 3

      Brazil, Canada, France — 2

      Azerbaijan, China, Estonia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Kenya, Russia, & Turkey — 1

      Source

      Other countries just have less to deal with.

      • saltesc@lemmy.world
        22·
        1 year ago

        Well apparently I’m actually in some sort of Truman Show dome.

        Australia Doesn’t Exist

        And y’all know about the so-called “gun laws” here and how swiftly and easily everything got changed. Seems too good to be true 🤔🤔🤔🤔

        • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12·
          1 year ago

          Sounds fake, I’m gonna need another mountain of needlessly dead children to find out.

          This place is fucking stupid.

        • CTDummy@lemm.ee
          6·
          1 year ago

          No, according to types like Vance, you live in an oppressive hellscape worse than any on the planet.

          I ended up on a YouTube video of an officer involved shooting in QLD. The amount of comments gleefully exclaiming “but I thought Aus outlawed all guns?”, “lucky guns are illegal there” and further carry on about all the laws “forcibly” being brought in doing nothing. The amount of comment saying it was retribution for covid lockdown (lmao). This country doesn’t exist except as a political talking point to some of those types.

          • saltesc@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 year ago

            Haha, yeah, guns are totally legal here. I have a lot of friends with guns and even two friends that make a living off shooting. The difference between here and the US is that they’re seen as tools that easily have deadly consequence if abused and therefore are regulated as such. Some gun owners in the US will be like, “Duh”, but the laws in the US do not reflect the same sentiment. Everyone has a right to firearms, but the public servants have measures in place that first say, “Okay, but why?” I mean, I’d love a to have a lot of things on my property, but obviously that’s no possible in the interests of public safety.

            That QLD shooting can happen (and will), but not with the regularity of more torn countries. Certainly not ones like the USA which are sort of in a league of their own with a handful of other countries that at least have an excuse like drug cartels and rampant crinal warfare.

            Oh, wait. There I go thinking I live in Australia and it’s real again. Gawsh, I’m so conditioned.

  • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
    44·
    1 year ago

    Trump had multiple agencies on site providing security when some loon climbed up and started shooting. Said security even spotted him but jumped away rather than engage the shooter. Trump’s head almost got blown off during what is arguably one of the best case security scenarios.

    Do with that what you will, JD.

      • Boddhisatva@lemmy.world
        6·
        1 year ago

        Oh absolutely, it is security theater. I did not mean to suggest that turning schools into fortresses was a valid solution, it’s just the only solution being offered up by people like Vance.

          • WoahWoah@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 year ago

            Turn schools into prisons. Yard time, guard towers, defensive walls, barbed wire, full-time security, all visitors logged, everyone goes through the metal detectors, no one goes to the bathroom alone, no personal belongings allowed in the cells, errrr, classrooms, no windows.

            See? Problem solved. School! Yayyy!

              • WoahWoah@lemmy.world
                1·
                1 year ago

                Yeah, basically you drop your kid off when they turn 6 and then they serve their twelve-year sentence…errrr, I mean education, and you pick them up again when they are released/graduate. They are allowed to have one visit a month though, but we can remove that policy, that way the only exposure will be on the days they’re being dropped off and picked up. Given the distribution of birthdays, this should keep total numbers at any one priso… school low enough to make other targets more appealing for the would-be shooter.

                I’m glad to have worked on this with you, and I’m glad that we’ve saved public education in the United States. Ohhhhhsayyyycanuuuuuseeeee

      • Boddhisatva@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 year ago

        The sheriff said a 16-year-old boy, for whom Friday was his first day at Joppatowne High School, shot a 15-year-old classmate in a bathroom. Gahler said it’s believed the victim was struck by a single gunshot.

        A student at a high school shoots another student in the school and that’s not a school shooting to you?

  • TheDeadHorse@lemmy.world
    38·
    1 year ago

    So he’s unequivocally stating that there is nothing he plans on doing to reduce the killing of children. If you support no action, this is the guy you should support.

    • Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world
      15·
      1 year ago

      In the article he calls for bolstering security at schools. Which I always find funny because what if… And this is a wild idea… But what if there’s a shooting at a location other than a school? Not to mention that studies have shown that the presence of armed guards in schools doesn’t actually do much to deter shootings.

      • Dharma Curious (he/him)@slrpnk.net
        8·
        1 year ago

        Why would armed guards have an impact? These kids that plan on shooting up their schools are planning it as a suicide mission. It’s a super elaborate suicide by cop, taking out as many of their classmates and tormentors, perceived or otherwise, as possible. Armed guards aren’t going to help. Stricter rules on guns and mental fucking health care might, but that would be actually doing something that the vast majority of Americans support, and we can’t do that. If we let people think overwhelming support for something gets it then they may get uppity and start demanding other things, like unions and healthcare

      • WoodScientist@lemmy.world
        31·
        1 year ago

        Security has a place. But even at schools, really all it can do is prevent a handful of deaths from turning into dozens or hundreds. You can have someone manning a metal detector at the front door. But a gunman can just walk in, shoot that person first, and walk right through the security checkpoint. Lockdowns and secure classrooms help, but they can still shoot plenty of people as they’re running for the exits or running to the secure classrooms. If a gunman comes to a high school during their passing period, there really just isn’t anything that can be done to prevent them from taking a handful of lives at a minimum. Even having armed swat teams available within minutes just reduces the final body count; it doesn’t eliminate it. When you can just walk into a crowded building and start spraying gunfire, security really just can’t prevent that, just ameliorate it.

  • Aermis@lemmy.world
    76·
    1 year ago

    Look, I hate this dude as much as the next guy, and the statement can still be a shrug, but he said “I hate that this is a fact of life” meaning I hate that this happens, and the fact that it happens.

    His idea to fix it is to bolster school security. A wrong move, but it’s not the “oh well shrug it off” that the headline is making it out to be.

      • Aermis@lemmy.world
        17·
        1 year ago

        I think the right cares about kids dying, unfortunately they care about free reign guns as well. So their efforts to deal with this problem is a sideways workaround by fighting fire with fire. Kill the perp before he kills. Add guns. Give everyone guns. Find the good guys.

        All of it’s wrong, I know. But it’s not an “oh well” glance at it.

  • Hobthrob@lemmy.world
    33·
    1 year ago

    If all children of American politicians were legally required to attend public schools and integrate into common classes I think we’d see sweeping implementation of gun laws real quick. Might also force them to improve the quality of public schools.

    • WoodScientist@lemmy.world
      3·
      1 year ago

      You know, that’s something I’m actually curious about. Is there any data on shooting rates at public vs. private schools? The private schools I’ve seen don’t seem to have any better security than public schools. Though private schools do have the benefit of being able to just easily expel the more troubled students.

  • werefreeatlast@lemmy.worldBanned
    5·
    1 year ago

    Not that you would ever want to live in Mexico but:

    Between 2004 and 2024, Mexico has recorded 17 school shootings, while the United States has experienced a staggering 288 school shootings from 2009 to 2018 alone, with the U.S. averaging over 87 incidents annually. The disparity is significant: the U.S. has seen over 57 times the number of school shootings compared to the combined total of the other G7 countries during the same period. In contrast, the school shootings in Mexico have generally resulted in fewer fatalities, with most incidents resulting in zero to two deaths. This stark difference highlights the severity of gun violence in U.S. schools compared to those in Mexico, where school shootings are less frequent and often less deadly. The motivations behind these shootings also vary, with the U.S. incidents often linked to mental health issues, bullying, and a desire for notoriety.

    https://www.perplexity.ai/search/for-journalism-how-many-school-d7tCaQlBQ1W9yLVyFxmy_A

    • werefreeatlast@lemmy.worldBanned
      1·
      1 year ago

      87 incidents annually means one every 4 days or about once a week 😞.

      That’s depressing. You are more likely to be in one of those than to win the lottery! That’s just depressing. My kids are at more risk of that than my wife’s chances of winning the lottery so I can stop going to work like a dummy. I don’t mean I work as a dummy, I mean that I’m a dummy for going to work while sending my kids for a daily chance of getting speed holes.

    • werefreeatlast@lemmy.worldBanned
      5·
      1 year ago

      Japan had zero. France, Germany, Canada, and Finland each had more than two public mass shootings from 2000-2022, far fewer than the U.S. The U.S. accounts for 76% of public mass shooting incidents and 70% of victim fatalities compared to 35 other economically and politically similar countries, despite making up only 33% of the combined population.

  • Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world
    19·
    1 year ago

    The Ohio senator was asked by a journalist what can be done to stop school shootings. He said further restricting access to guns, as many Democrats advocate, won’t end them, noting they happen in states with both lax and strict gun laws. He touted efforts in Congress to give schools more money for security.

    I always find this weird because it just completely glosses over the possibilities of A) the restrictions not really doing anything/enough, B) the incredible ease by which someone can just… Go to another state, and C) how absurdly easy it is to purchase firearms in the secondary market.

    • TonyOstrich@lemmy.world
      6·
      1 year ago

      His argument isn’t even a valid/honest one. Take Illinois and Chicago specifically. They have stricter gun laws, but when a gun store in Indiana is just a 20-30 minute drive away those restrictions don’t do much because of how close by a place with lax laws is.

    • evidences@lemmy.world
      10·
      1 year ago

      Whoa there pardner, the only thing that stops a bad toddler with a gun is a good toddler with a gun.