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Is arming teachers a serious argument by anyone?
Unfortunately, yes. It is a topic of debate going back decades and typically gets revived after a publicized school shooting.
Quite a number of far right idiots are, unfortunately.
Our school (who wasn’t actually considering it) said the insurance company would drop our coverage if we allowed armed teachers on pemesis. Honestly, I think I’d quit if I knew someone on staff was concealed carrying. We deal with a lot of shot, but the last thing I want between me and a troubled kid is a gun.
Teacher here. I consider all of the teachers I’ve worked with, and I consider how few of them I would trust with a loaded firearm under the best possible circumstances (maybe 10 percent).
Then I consider the number of those who would actually consider using a firearm (down to about 3 percent).
And then I consider how many of those I would trust with a firearm in a room full of students… and it’s zero.
I finally just avoided the problem by moving to a country where civilians are not generally allowed to own guns and school shootings are not a problem.
Right?! I barely trust some of my colleagues to do their day job reliably let alone manage a firearm in a high pressure scenario.
I’ve been hearing that exact argument since Columbine.
Well, once they’re armed they can just choose whatever books
Republicans don’t want freedom, they want to be feared. Because fear is respect to them. And the imbued threat by carrying a gun and the false demand of respect it projects is useless. At no point in human history, regardless of the punishment, has crime of any sort not existed. Carting around guns on every hip won’t change that at all.
Turns out if you expect someone might pull a gun on you while you commit a crime, youll just bring a gun with you too.
Knee-jerk ignorant republican impulse after knee-jerk ignorant republican impulse, enabled and lubricated by the gullible and lazy non-voting bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL idiots, you end up in a completely preventable hellhole.
True. And if anyone thinks it can’t happen where they are, they should ask themselves “does my country have social media? Do we have a good grasp of media literacy?”
Because (spoiler) it can happen and probably is right now. You’ve got some version of Fox News, you’ve got some version of Trump and you’ve got some population of MAGA Qanuts. Everywhere.
Well you’re not wrong in your point, we have that as well, but most of our Qanuts are watching American Fox News (and all the related crazies on YT) exactly because our media is such that Fox News wasn’t allowed to call itself Fox News, because of how shit it was. So Fox does broadcast here, but none of their news shows.
However, even if the propaganda is of a higher quality and not as intentional, it’s still there.
The core problem is the same. Greedy asshole doing whatever for more profits. We just have better regulations so it’s not yet as bad, but that’s the direction we’re headed.
Finland, btw.
That’s fascinating. I hope you can figure it out, because it’s a silver bullet to Idiocracy and division.
I’d love to think Finland could make media literacy a thing and have the first population who understood why those YT crazies look and sound the way they do before even seeing or hearing word one.
Yeah no chance.
Finland really isn’t the utopia people think.
It’s markedly different from the US, sure. But for one I’d say racism is way more prevalent. Genuinely a huge majority of the people I went to school with as a teenager still, to this day, admit they’re casual racists, and even sort of defend it. It’s a very different type of racism than in the US, but the very hateful kind exists here as well. It’s just a very casual type is super common. No exaggeration.
Authoritarianism is also prominent. Finland has had mlrr complaints of police abuse to ECHR (European Court of Human Rights) than other Nordics combined (so our 5mil pop against some 40mil). And not nearly all the abuses go to ECHR. I wanted to complain, as I was abused by the police, kept in isolation for 3 days, shut off my water at one point, denied me my prescription meds for the whole time, despite me literally writing on the walls in my own blood.
I’ve tried complaining to every single institution, and all of them say the police did nothing wrong.
I know several people who buy into all sorts of shitty conspiracy theories like antivax, because their English is subpar and the idiotic rhetoric of those conspiracies is easier for them to follow. I know antivaxers, flat earthers, moonlanding deniers. Like too many.
So no, despite us having some decent regulations on paper, we’re no utopia. You know the “happiest country in the world” bs? It actually measure contentedness, and it’s in Finnish culture you’re “not supposed to complain”. So when asked how things are, even ppl in shitty situations would say “eh, it’s fine”, so overall we’d score high in that.
Such sadness depression and shittiness in the whole country I can’t wait to escape somehow. Looking rather bad though, as the healthcare is managing jack shit to help me because they all still have attitudes towards cannabis that were common in the US in the 60’s. And because I don’t get a proper diagnosis I keep suffering and not getting the support I actually should be getting. The fucked up healthcare has made it so the fucked up bureaucracy treats me even worse.
I’ve basically been floating in a hellish limbo for some years now. Completely alone and isolated. Well, my codependent grandma keeps calling to complain just how shit her life is while not ever asking a single question about mine. I don’t think I’ve ever heard her laugh, now that I think about it.
She was part of the richest family in the town in her youth, then her husband (my grandfather) died and my dad wasted everything and got in debt and now she’s poor and knows how much she’s getting fucked over by the right wing parties and acknowledges it, and still says she will alway vote for them.
Same with my late father. I once showed him a clip which was never aired, where his favourite politician straight up said “let’s do another take, as I’ll deny that anyway” referring to a straight up lie he said. Dad just literally blanked it and it’s as if he genuinely didn’t see it while watching it. And when I asked about it afterwards, like instantly afterwards, he just mumbled something and completely pretended said thing didn’t happen.
And that’s just a few examples. I’ve thousands more.
Yeah, I don’t much have to fear being homeless or starving for lack of food (I am starving for lack of being able to absorb nutrients tho on occasion, because doctors won’t acknowledge a problem, blaming everything on me having admitted cannabis use 15 years ago, despite objective evidence). So there are positives, sure. But a lot of negatives as well.
For one, I had my home searched by the police. Without a warrant. I asked them for one. They sayd “It’d take like 5min to get one”. I said “do that, please”. They grabbed my door and ripped it open, came in. I started filming, they ripped my phone from my hands, saying “you’re not allowed to film the police”.
And to prove that last bit, I actually have a news story from the largest paper in Finland, and there’s a supreme Court case, which I won. And for winning it, guess what I got? Literally nothing. In the US, I could’ve sued the fuck out of these police and would’ve settled for millions.
Here even my own family doesn’t recognise the police having abused me. Such a deep level the authoritarianism. My own mother doesn’t believe me, even with photographic evidence and a supreme court decision.
So that’s a bit fucked, don’t you think?
Edit shit forgot the link to the story here https://www.hs.fi/suomi/art-2000009654524.html
Well shit, that could be better! Hopefully you can find the right person to help figure the things out. Fwiw, it’d be a similar story in a lot of places in the US, with the possible exception of the cannabis. And without your protections against homelessness etc. plus a lot more guns.
That said, try some comedy. Standup, movies, records, whatever. Laughter is the best medicine.
Well shit, that could be better! Hopefully you can find the right person to help figure the things out.
Thanks. I recently found a great therapist. British, and we use English. Because he’s not Finnish, he’s not blinded by the culture and I can actually get someone to understand the issues I have.
Well, since the US had a lot of police abuse things, you now have pretty strict laws on procedure, warrants issued by a judge, Miranda rights, etc. I’m not saying those always get followed, but if they’re caught not following, people can sue for a lot. Here I the warrant just needs to be a oral permission from a high ranking police, but when I actually got the warrant in paper, it was backdated 2 months after the search. And I can’t find anyone who’d find a problem with that.
At least the US has the sort of defense lawyer that Better Call Saul parodies a bit.
Essentially Finnish people trust too much in their systems — and not without reason — but that trust for a long time has made it so that no-one sees if they work. And unchecked power does what unchecked powers does, no matter the nation.
That said, try some comedy. Standup, movies, records, whatever. Laughter is the best medicine.
Dude I think I’ve watched all the comedy. And drama. And fantasy. And scifi. Several thousands of hours, I’d say. ST: TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise. Tng at least 3x Voyager 2x. House MD like 5x. Fry and Laurie. All QI. All WILTY. All Taskmaster. All big fat quizes. All specials from a lot of standups. Family guy, American Dad, Taika Waititis shows; What We Do in the Shadows, Our Flag Means Death.
Laughter might be the best medicine, but things which make me laugh nowadays are pretty rare.
Calling them knee jerk ignorant impulses under minds the fact that is a plan they have been working on for 60 years and they are almost successful
its extremely preventable too, Americans are extremely ignorant and brainwashed as you mentioned.
Tbf it does not help the problem to pretend there aren’t smart people in America and dumb people elsewhere. I like to joke about 'Murica as much as the next dude, but late stage capitalism is a global issue, and every country has the brainwashed nigh media illiterate population as well.
Im not pretending that at all. But ignorance and gun violence is a very American problem
No
Yes. Got you triggered af lmao
gullible and lazy non-voting bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL idiots,
They aren’t gullible and lazy. Neither Democrats nor Republicans are campaigning for their issues.
One good example is Medicare for All, which is supported by a majority of voters, but not supported by Harris and Trump.
No abortion! No abortion after birth!
Unless it’s at school.
This is a really good point, but I feel like an English teacher would have written “whom I married.”
Non native English speaker here with a genuine question; wouldn’t “telling the students whom I married” mean that the teacher married the students instead of telling students about their spouse?
I think you’re right. The clause should actually be something like “disclose to my students the gender of my spouse.” How does that sound?
You are correct. Your English is great!
Either a comma or parentheses are what would make the difference.
I will tell the students whom I married.
Now the students know who was at your wedding.
I will tell the students, whom I married.
I will tell the students (whom I married).
You’re only telling something to the students that you married.
They are only stopping the “who I married”-teachers form selecting the books.
The “whom I married”-teachers get to select the book for them.It’s the other way around.
I’m just interpreting the meme. No real life exp here. That stuff is depressing
This is what I keep saying. If I thought my kids’ teachers were evil indoctrinators trying to force an ideology I definitely wouldn’t want them to have a gun, and if I thought they were trustworthy enough to have a gun around my child I’d be totally fine with them making any and all decisions about what else they were going to do in that classroom.
Of course, not being an insane person, I actually want them to not need a gun at all and also for them to have the freedom and resources to teach and stock their classroom as they see fit.
Let them teach what they want and have the ability to carry and defend themselves if necessary
No.
The confederates parading in their silly hats have wanted that for years.
Except that’s not how it works. If you let more people bring weapons into schools, you will definitely see increasing amounts of weapons being used in schools, even if you’re pretending that the weapons are supposed to be only for self-defense.
If you’re serious about reducing mass shootings, the globe has shown us that you can do so by reducing the number of guns available in society. It really is that simple. Simple, but not easy, because many Americans love their weapons.
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It is really sad how many people would trust teachers in a classroom with guns but not books.
Also, schools can’t afford books. Giving every (or even a few) teachers guns would cost millions per school district. We have money for more guns but not computers and books
Not people generally.
Conservatives, specifically.
Frankly, I’m at the point where I’m starting to question if even that part:whole relationship is really applicable.
Don’t get me wrong: I understand why it’s a really bad thing to start dehumanizing your enemy, but WTF are you supposed to do when they jettison everything but venal hatred and sociopathy and thus dehumanize themselves?
You’re supposed to understand that the vast majority of society are shallow idiots that’ve been misled by immersion in state-sponsored propaganda.
Then, engage the socialists and communists. They know what to do, why, and how. The last time we had the numbers for meaningful change was the late 1940s: Veterans of WW1 became armed socialists and communists which resulted in The New Deal.
Corporate personhood is what’s made much of this incarnation possible. If you want to dehumanize something then focus on the root cause.
They are also trying to get rid of teachers. Eventually charter schools will just have a person in a classroom pressing play for a video and handing out papers. Grading and testing will be done through computers. A psych report will be made for each student to determine how to brainwash them further.
The video will be produced by Sinclair Media and even math will include a polemic about how awful socialism is and how great Trump is.
The pen is mightier.
Honestly… Just raise your children abroad where dying at school isn’t the lead cause of childhood mortality.
Firearm-related deaths are a leading cause of death in 1-19 year old kids, but homicide is a fraction of that number, and school shootings is a fraction of that fraction. The biggest category for firearm deaths are accidental shootings in minority communities in the city. School shootings is not even close to being a leading cause of death.
I’m sorry, but that’s the shittest stat I’ve heard.
“Our kids are dying due to an issue of firearm regulation, but worry not, only a fraction of those preventable deaths are purposeful mass murders at educational institutions!”
Crazy that someone actually wrote something like that.
I mean all child mortality stats are shitty, because they’re about kids dying.
But the short version of it is that the largest segment of kids dying to guns is them being accidentally shot in the same demographics whose adults make up the largest slice of shooting homicides (in both perps and victims) - minority (especially black) inner city communities.
The reasons are likely related - if you’re in a demographic where you’re more likely to shoot or be shot you’re more likely to have a gun around that’s not well secured, which means you’re more likely to have accidental shootings too.
I thought you were making a joke but the number one cause of childhood mortality in the US is firearms. Number two is vehicles.
No problems here though, what can you do right? Thoughts and prayers!
Interestingly, the most dangerous thing to have around children is a pool.
Drowning is the number 1 cause of death for children ages 1-4 in the US and still asking the leading causes of death all through childhood. Most of those deaths are in pools.
8 percent of houses have pools, whereas 40 percent have guns.
Sure, more people should understand the danger around having a pool.
I have a pool and small children. I dont have a gun though.
There are also regulations where I lived that you can’t have a pool built now without having a barricade of some sort to prevent kids from falling in. But no regulations that you have to have a gun behind a barricade around kids. (You could be grandfathered into not having the netting if you had it built prior to the legislation)
Pools and trampolines are considered dangerous for kids in america when the top two causes of death for children are guns and cars.
Oh it’s a joke alright.
Thats one way to make it make sense.
I wonder how many students changed their minds about becoming teachers because of what’s been going on over the last few years.
I mean - I know I decided against pursuing it many decades ago because it was the same then.
We’re basically living in a poorer, angrier Reagan era.
Gutting education is part of the plan for any authoritarian takeover. Knowledge is power. Why give the people the power? How very unauthoritarian.
I’m not sure about that, but it has been clear for the past few decades then education funding in many areas of the country has dropped. Annoying paperwork and class sizes have gone up, resources have gone down. On average, it’s less appealing than it once was.
How is whom he married relevant to English Language Arts class?
Because people like to connect with other people and share anecdotes about their own life. That’s human nature.
A man can say he spent the weekend with his husband camping in the woods and how it reminds them of a poem.
A woman can say her wife is picking her up after work and they’re going to a bookstore to pickup the newest book in a series.
These are innocuous statements and yet some states/people would vilify them.
So teachers must never share any details about their personal lives and only ever speak about books?
One would think that reflection of the impact of literature on ones personal life is an important part of analysis.
Also that teachers should be fully and authentically present for their students, not just glorified YouTube lectures.
It’s an excellent question.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/called-dont-gay-rules-expanded-12th-grade-florida/story?id=98691183
The latter is true but the rest is bunk.
Could you elaborate? I’m sincerely unsure what you’re saying. Thanks in advance!
Nobody needs a gun for school. And the risk from school shootings is vastly overblown. I’m not saying we shouldn’t try to minimize the risk, but the people living in fear of this are victims of mass media frenzy and poor risk assessment.
By that logic you should never wear a seatbelt.
Thank you for so brilliantly driving my point home. You just completely ignored when I said we should strive to reduce the risk and have completely ignored that death via vehicle accident is 800 times more likely to happen.
I honestly couldn’t have proven my point better.
