Like way to kill your platform for anything educational where you want to pause to look at a graph.
Look at the article linked to it. It has a render of a pause ad being a banner that shrinks the video player somewhat, but the paused video is viewable.
That’s a lot of faith that the ads would be SFW, let alone not distracting.
YouTube wants you to keep watching the videos. The more time you spend on the site the more ads you see. They care about finding the balance of acceptable ad load to maximize ad space, which requires a consistent user base. I have faith that this is their objective. Also, videos take time to load and a user hitting pause is unpredictable. A light weight display ad is probably the best technically feasible way to grab a user’s attention in that brief moment of hitting pause. Especially when pause means a user wants to mute audio to do things like take a phone call, a video would turn off users to the platform.
It doesn’t need to be an animated visual to be distracting or NSFW…
Did I miss some detail? I get the impressions from the comments this is some really poor choice for user experience as people will often pause to check something
But in my experience pause ads are nothing new at all and they start after the device has been idle. What did I miss that makes this different?
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They’ve started serving ads when you skip backwards. Drives me fucking nuts.
I was willing to use the mobile app with ads because the interface is slightly less buggy.
Ad blocking on mobile web it is for me now 👍
newpipe
Revanced ftw
Tubular :)
Had to jump into the ‘name your alternative’ thread hehe.
Tubular because it includes SponsorBlock.
Tubular feels better, in my opinion.
Apparently a hot take, but I don’t have an issue with this, as long as they’re picture ads, not videos. An option to hide them temporarily would be good if you’re trying to read something. Maybe you’d need to hold a key or something. To me this is much less intrusive than 3 videos ads at the beginning of a video.
All of that said, I pay for premium, as I watch enough YouTube for it to be very very justified. I’ve probably saved weeks of my time not watching ads, plus it supports creators more than the ads ever do.
My noodle 🍜 has little ads built into the noodle blades. I have to eat in my room. I’ve been watching porn so most of my noodles are pornographic. Anyway, don’t look at my noodles! I get them for free with the ads.
I understand.
You know, if I have no issues with this or that ad campaign, why would I have an issue with ads on noodles? Why stop there?
Ads on chips! …new Doritos with e-paper ads on every chip!
Pornflakes! Every pornflakes comes with you!
Beans and rice? Yes and corn! All products can be stamped with ads! Imagine how many Viagra ads you can stick to a bowl of rice 🍚!
I could even rent my dick head to pornhub for relevant ads for my wife!..the new IKEA dinner set! Wait hold on!, how many spoons? Gr gl grgrgrgr…hold on wait I think comes with a gr gl grgrgrgr… Ok I don’t like this channel! Sorry, the Internet, it is for porn.
You must be young (or without memory). YouTube ads started exactly with picture ads (horizontal banners), but that was not sufficient, and ~12 years later there already are 2 unskipable videos at start, middle and finish (and several at the middle if in a long video). Your ad at the pause may start with pictures even, but videos and later longer videos will follow.
lol, ads
Lol, YouTube
And next… after opening the app you will have to watch ad before you can do anything
Come on, this is Google we’re talking about. The ads come before opening the app.
True, maybe they do both and then some more when you try to close it.
PornHub has been doing this. A little popup comes on screen when you pause the video for the first time.
Nice. I don’t care.
I stopped watching YouTube years ago.
<golf clap>
Just gonna say I hate this when other apps do this. I pause cause I need to concentrate on something else. Showing an ad just makes that even harder. Now I have to pause AND close the app.
Just close it straight away…
This already happened. People looking up CPR instructions because a loved one is dying, only to be met with three unskippable ads.
Goodbye Meemaw.
Yeah, that may be so, but priorities man. Priorities! Think of our profits man! In this harsh economy, ever ad counts! We’re only controlling 90% of the internet while we strive for 100%. That’s 10% short. 10%! We only had a revenue of 305 billion in 2023 which is not nearly enough to cut down on ads. Billionaire lives matter man! Come on, everybody, say it all together: Make millionaires billionaires again! Billionaires first! Meemaws don’t consume enough anyway. Screw her. By the way, want some penis enlargement pills?
Proof? Aren’t there classes of videos non monetized on youtube? When I just google search for cpr and find the american red cross I quickly found written instructions as well as a youtube video that doesn’t appear to have any ads. Isn’t the problem that some video creators intentionally create videos for CPR in hopes of monetizing?
https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/83733719?hl=en
This means as a creator that’s not in YPP [Youtube Partner Program], you may see ads on some of your videos. Since you’re not currently in YPP, you won’t receive a share of the revenue from these ads, though you’ll still have the opportunity to apply for YPP as you normally would once you meet the eligibility requirements.
Thanks for the checking. I think the whole argument is pretty wild and specious, and factually suspect, that someone died because a person couldn’t look up the cpr video on time. YouTube is not a platform that is meant to deliver on demand life saving training. In NYC all the restaurants and workplaces have signs up in designated areas with instructions on how to do cpr. I suspect someone is going to more quickly look up written instructions or infographics if they need to Google. But really, this just speaks to the importance in staying up to date on CPR practices and having school and HR classes that teach this on a recurring basis. Using this as an argument against all ads is kind of nuts.
Also, the first step of most CPR instructions is call 911. So if you follow instructions, how are you watching a video on the phone? And can’t the operator coach you through the steps? https://www.redcross.org/take-a-class/cpr/performing-cpr/cpr-steps
Not defending YouTube here, but CPR is so time sensitive that if they were looking up instructions, she was a goner anyway.
Have you had CPR training? What you stated isn’t true. Every second counts. But looking up instructions and seeing a easy video will still help massively.
Exactly. It takes over a minute for permanent brain damage from a lack of oxygen, and it can take several, several minutes before actual death.
CPR started anytime within that range will help keep the person alive, as you are literally forcing their body to intake oxygen and pump the blood.
If you find someone without a heart beat and they aren’t already cold then call 911 and start cpr
Yes in fact I teach it and do it regularly. Out of hospital cardiac arrest survival rates are atrocious even when the person performing CPR is properly trained, let alone a panicked person trying to look up instructions on YouTube.
And I’m 100% not saying that a person shouldn’t attempt to do CPR in this scenario, just saying that any realistic scenario where the compressor is trying to look up instructions in real time is bound to fail. That’s why I volunteer my time teaching community members how to do it properly, even if it’s hands-only CPR (eg no rescue breaths)
Hey look, a blatant lie disguised as a fact!
I wonder how this furthers your agenda…
not if you use ublock origin or newpipe
And SmartTubeNext on Android TV
Or LibreTube
OK, I’ve been dicking around with LibreTube for 4 hours now and I can’t figure out how to, or if I need to, create a login, and where exactly I would do that, given the several sources under “instance”.
For the sake of fuck, why are so many open source projects gut-wrenchingly awful at providing any beginner user info?
The easiest solution is to go to Settings -> Instance and toggle both “Disable Piped proxy” and “Local stream extractions”
I use both!
The sad thing is that most people won’t even give a damn.
It’s their private website, they do on it whatever they want. Right, lemmy?
You can run your own federated streaming service that will have no ads and will be free of charge, yeah?
No, commercial services with a dominant position in the market cannot do whatever they want.
Bootlickers wouldn’t understand
This market domination is non-discriminatory. It’s not like you go to your local car dealerships and they don’t sell you any other brand than GM. Everyone on the internet is free to go and use any other service. It’s dominant because users are happy with their ads or subscription fees instead of investing their time into using a competing product.
Everyone on the internet is free to go and use any other service.
Yes but that’s not the claim you made. You wrote “It’s their private website, they do on it whatever they want. Right, lemmy?” and this blanket statement is wrong. They can’t to “whatever they want” because they are bound by laws. If Google/Alphabet instituted rules on YouTube that competing video services like Nebula cannot named at all, market watchdogs would be at their heels immediately and they’d win in court if it came to it.
Can they put ads on pause screens? Yes. Can they do “whatever they want”? No.
Nobody here wants peertube really.
They want free bandwidth (streaming 4k60), free computation (encoding, optimization), free research (codec development) and free storage (for endless amount of videos). Google sucking is a valid reason to piggyback on Google infrastructure but they seem to feel entitled to Google just letting it happen.
i pay for this shiti service while being data mined anyway…
you are acting as if paying is a solution against these parasites… it aint.
You’re getting angry at a company and capitalism in general. Big techs should be broken up and regulated up to their tits. In the current legal framework they don’t owe you anything and are well within their rights to put up a fight though. They won’t do anything out of good of their hearts because companies don’t have one.
I never understood, and never will understand this.
Even when I was a poor teenager and pirated essentially everything I always knew that this content only exists because someone is paying for it.
How do people go around feeling like the best VoD platform to ever exist, available on every device imaginable, optimized for years by best software engineers the world has, should be free, and without ads is beyond me.
They can try to enshittify all they want, but as long as they keep offering that shit for free it’s their own fault really. There will always be a way to remove all the crap once the video images enter my computer.
If it isn’t sustainable for them then they should have required sign in and payment long ago instead of operating at a loss just to get all the content in their place. The only ones letting it happen are themselves, we just here for the ride.
They won’t stop piracy ever but they can also make it as inconvenient as possible. You treat it like a game of cat and mouse while 90% of society uses adblock because someone told them how to do that.
God I hope my adbock holds up…
If it doesn’t I will make something that records the entire f****** stream and removes the commercials out of it the old fashioned way If I have to. Not my first rodeo.
…how?
Video content never changes, but the order and content of ads do. Automated browser, record the video 2-3 times. Diff the frames and slice out the ones that don’t match between runs.
I remember back in the day, there was programs that would identify ads and remove them off on air programs. I would imagine something like that would be possible. Although at that point, just skipping the “platform” altogether might be a better solution.
My guess: Youtube-dl derivative then an ffmpeg script to detect black frames that usually sandwich commercials on TV and delete the video inside those frames.
Yt-DLP and it’s variation (Seal, YTDLnis, etc.), newpipe and it’s variation (Tubular, Newpipe Sponsorblock, etc) already allow you to do this without having to get manual.
And I use YTDLP now. At some point they will make it inoperable. I’m honestly surprised they haven’t sorted it out yet.
Seal sold out. It’s trash now
“Seal downloader” from the Playstore and “Seal” from F-Droid are 2 very different apps. One is a a clone riddled with ads, the other one is FOSS goodness. You are free to guess which is which.
I will find text versions of everything I need to learn about and create my own video, and then watch it.
Wait a couple more years you’ll be able to feed the descriptions through AI and make really trippy videos
If it happens, and you do, host it, and set up a donation box too.
Most likely, I just dedicate an old laptop, a 4k HDMI capture device, store off MP4 and feed it through comskip then take it h265 and store it off.
If I don’t do anything tricky with the browser they can’t detect that I’m doing anything tricky at all.
The only thing I’m a little concerned about is that they’re going to start doing advertising like broadcast TV did and put quarter screen commercials up for other shows in the middle of running shows.
So you want someone to broadcast, and you’re willing to pay for it, but not willing to support the content creators in any way?
I would happily watch ads if they were non-intrusive and non-interrupting ads like side banners that don’t cause popups, or product placement inside videos.
I would also pay for a platform where 100% of the money goes to paying for hosting and paying the creators.
Neither of these things are happening, so yes, I would rather donate to support piracy.
If it doesn’t goodbye Youtube. I love the creators, but hate you as a platform.
Yeah, uBlock Origin not working would take me from liking YouTube a fair bit to making it unusable.
- I use Proton but keep legacy Gmail accounts around to ensure I still have access to accounts I may have forgotten about or people I knew a long time ago sending a stray email. The only other usage is logging into YouTube.
- I use a Captcha solver extension.
- I use uBlock Origin to block all their ads.
- I don’t use their DNS.
- I use DDG over their search engine and Firefox over their browser.
- I don’t use Google Drive or their office suite (I think the latter is abysmal to use tbf).
- I use DeepL over Translate.
- I use NewPipe for YouTube on mobile and have a subscription to Nebula.
- I no longer use Google Maps, opting for OSM instead.
- I still use Android and unfortunately can’t unlock the bootloader but have degoogled as far as I know how, including never even registering a Google account with it (F-Droid + Aurora Store).
YouTube is far and away the biggest means by which I interact with Google, and that falls off a cliff if I’m forced to interact with a mess of their ridiculously shitty ads every time I have to use it. uBO has likely saved hundreds of hours of watching ads over my lifetime (and probably thousands of dollars from not being subconsciously influenced by ads), and I’m not paying a subscription fee to such an unethical company to get rid of the ads. This would bring me from YouTube as a timewaster to YouTube only as strictly necessary. Even though I don’t support them directly through ads, I do support them by supporting creators I like monetarily, by sharing links and maintaining the network effect, and by giving them plenty of metadata by interacting with their service. If they do this, they ensure that I continue to monetarily support competitors like Nebula and permanently lose a grip they’ve had on me since I was a kid.
Captcha solver add-on? Had no idea about that. If a captcha can be solved this way, why is still being used? What’s the point?
The point is that people think that it’s effective. It’s the illusion of security, which does actually keep some of the more stupid spammers and bad actors at bay. It doesn’t stop the ones that are determined though, nothing does.
To decrease the amount of spam. There is a misunderstanding, the same with anti-cheat. Captchas will always be solvable, there will always be people who cheat. The point is not to eliminate all bots / cheaters, but to only have to deal with a smaller number of them.
+1 on the Nebula subscription. It’s worth every penny. That and Dropout are the only streaming subscriptions I still maintain.
That’s what we need tbh. If people get fed up and leave then eventually creators will too
