I’m like tonr between this like one side thinks who cares if men can do it women should have the right, but you get angry religious nutjobs. On the other side you get weirdos who will just be even bigger creeps.
It’s legal where I live. Nobody does it
Where is that? I think women often don’t walk around topless because men sexualize them or take photos, etc.
Yeah, it’s kinda built in
As a woman who’s done it: it’s mostly just awkward. I don’t go topless unless it’s an occasion warranting it or it’s way too damn hot to wear a shirt. The men don’t help for certain, but there’s just also the element of being the only shirtless woman around
Could be anywhere, it’s legal in a lot of the US but nobody partakes because it draws unwanted attention.
Which is how it SHOULD be viewed! If you’re going to be intentionally sexy in a public place, you should expect people to notice. I don’t walk down the street with my balls hanging out of my pants…well, unless I’m single.
Being shirtless isn’t being sexy is just being shirtless, not the same as balls, and thinking that your balls would help you not being single is…weird
You just admitted that balls are sexy. How WOULDN’T they help me not be single?
Fetticini
Linguini
Bikini
Martini
You’re gonna love my nuts!
Should be nationwide
Should be worldwide
Hooray!
Username checks out.
…for Boobies!
amendment the constitution. the right to bare tiddies
everything is speech including my nuts
I was told (but didnt confirm this) that in Barcelona you can go full nude almost everywhere and there is a naked guy on a bike that is pretty famous there (didnt get to see him fortunately?)
But since its not a protected class I assume businesses can turn them away
If they allow it for men they might have to allow it for everybody.
Sex/gender is a protected class.
Shirted/Shirtless isn’t
The entire point is, where men are allowed to do so.
Yes, but the nuance of the situation is selective enforcement.
Luckily, many of these explicitly allowed areas are resultant of lawsuits so there is precedent for those discriminated against.
Most businesses will turn away anyone shirtless, especially where health code violations come into play.
Why is it not healthy for me to eat without a shirt again??
It’s not healthy for others for you to eat without a shirt
Why?
Because (in your case) it would be vomit inducing!
🤣 Just joshing you.
Yeah I’ve gone topless in cities where it’s legal before and you just need to bring a shirt if you plan on eating
Are tits really that unsanitary that you’re going to infect a restaurant topless? I’ve got nipples, and I think they’re cleaner than my hands because I didn’t touch the door handle with my pecs.
How do YOU open doors???
I won’t reveal this secret but I will tell you it’s large and prehensile.
Not really, but it’s one of those things you need to be prepared to be asked to do. Many bars are cool with it though, even ones that are restaurants. I guess the whiskey disinfects the tits
Ah, got it.
Next time a restaurant gives me shit about being topless, I’ll just dip a rag in some whiskey, rub my nipples with it, and say “there! Are you happy? And proceed to place my order”
It’s something you wouldn’t have a problem with until you sat down in a booth and suddenly your back is covered in some shirtless person’s sweat.
If its so hot they’re sweating, the shirt would be wet and so would the chair
Which is fair. There’s a difference between walking down the street topless and being inside a resteraunt.
Right. “No shoes. No shirt. No service.”
New York too. Or is it just the city?
San Francisco as well
IIRC it’s completely legal to walk around fully nude in San Francisco.
Edit: I was at work so I couldn’t look this up to post it but yeah, there’s a website dedicated to it.
It’s certainly legal to be that one random dude sunbathing in Delores Park during the handful of days that are warm enough. The rest of San Francisco is rocking jeans and a light jacket / hoodie. That is the official Bay Area dress code.
Bring your own towel for the bus, please. I’m sick of sharing.
But we do have cabaret laws in NYC that say you can’t dance in an establishment without a license for dancing which is super dum dum.
Reminds me of something…I think it was Stormy Daniels or some similar figure talking about her first time working in a strip club, and a local law said that nude performers had to be on a “stage,” but there were no technical specifications for said “stage” so they had small raised platforms not dissimilar to a cargo pallet for the girls to dance on near each table.
Yup legal in NY.
None of which have beaches like the one in the photo.
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And…
Free the boobies
It’s really just free the nipple, which highlights how ridiculous it is. Even more so when you see images where male nipples have been pasted over female nipples, which would theoretically make those images ok.
I’m getting flashbacks to Tumblr’s “female-presenting nipples” censorship rules during the porn ban.
We need to switch from our current American view that all nudity is sexual. If you see a someone naked doesn’t automatically make it sexual!
I mean, sure. But also need to switch from our current US American view that sexuality is bad
True! My first thought is usually drugs without further context.
I agree. There’s such shame and disgust around the work of art that is the human body that really needs to be worked on.
Some of y’all should be ashamed.
Projection much?
No u!!!
People need to spend a little time at a nudist resort. They’d learn real quick that naked isn’t sexual.
Idk, I feel like for some people it is and for some it isn’t.
Like tbh I’d be worried about going to a nudist resort because (despite the trope that “only people you don’t want to see go there”) if I saw a woman I was attracted to I’d be worried that it would be…uh…evident, and that seems awkward and idk if it’s like, allowed to become tumescent even if it is an uncontrollable biological response (never stopped anyone from being mad it happened before, so…)
Idk, if I saw a woman walking down the street tits akimbo, I’d definitely be more inclined to think “ayy hell yeah” in my head than not, even if it happened daily, I can’t just stop being attracted to women, ya know?
Not that I think she shouldn’t, it’s her right and I wouldn’t complain about seeing them, but I can’t control my uncontrollable biological responses of “attraction” nor what happens naturally when “attracted,” if you will (though outside of nudist resorts, it’s hidable enough because clothes.)
I’m gay. Personally, I’ve just never had trouble in situations with non-sexual nudity. I’ve been to nude beaches, about ten of my city’s World Naked Bike Ride, and of course locker rooms. Plenty of hot guys around, it’s hard not to notice, but never had the smallest issue with anything being evident. It feels like it’s largely based on the setting.
Idk I feel like that is also highly dependant on your individual body. I know guys who never become engorged (without the help of modern medicine of course), and grown ass men that have never even fell out of that teenage “random boner” phase which we all surely have at least a passing familiarity with, and everywhere in between. I’d say I’m in between, the randos are gone, but they are easily triggered in certain circumstances.
tits akimbo
They have to be pretty big and saggy to do this.
It does sound like a mildly amusing female comedy troupe though.
Boiling it down to a purely biological process is oversimplified. Unless you are getting aroused whenever you see an attractive person, simply removing clothing isn’t/shouldn’t be a variable. You’ve been socially conditioned to think of all nudity as sexual. Spending time in a nudist area is somewhat about decoupling nudity and sex. (yes there are those that go for the sex, and it’s kinda the leading reason.) I think the point of being human is all about control over ones self and environment. Hell humans have spent more time on this earth walking around naked than clothed. Our current views on nudity and sexuality is relatively new due to social, political, religious, and practical reasons. (you don’t want someone nude preparing large amounts of food or people in hospitals being needlessly naked for obvious reasons.) Ultimately I’m saying if you are worried about being in a public nudity area and not being able to separate the other human from their body/attractiveness, it might be something you should explore. So you can be more open to others in general.
I mean, yeah, I see an attractive (especially scantily clad or nude) woman, and I do indeed think “damn hell yeah” every single time. Yes. Been this way my entire life and I don’t see an end in sight. I mean it’s not like I’m gonna knock her over the head and drag her into my hut but will I look? Yeah. Could I get a boner (that would likely go unnoticed unless we were at the aforementioned nudist resort)? Yeah absolutely, could happen. Sure, maybe it’s been social conditioning since I was like 11 but at the same time it still “is,” sometimes people don’t think it be like it is, but it do, even if the reason for it “being” is 30+yr of social conditioning.
I think that the notion that we exist to control our environment is comforting, but hubris. We exist in our environment and absolutely do not have a control of most of it. Like in this example, I can control my reaction in that I don’t become a sex crazed rapebeast every time “titty,” but I cannot control “mmm hell yeah titty.” Frankly, I’m not sure I want to. Hell yeah titty! What is wrong with me having a sexual nature as a human after all? I’m not sure liking boobs counts as a kink really (it certainly isn’t paraphilia) but “don’t kink shame me,” really.
Sure, cavemen may have been naked and if I was raised as a caveman perhaps I’d like titty less. Buuuut it’s 2024, and I’ve been raised in this world, where I do in fact like boobs.
Really it isn’t an issue for me as far as I’m concerned, excepting my hesitancy to walk around naked myself at a nudist resort because I don’t want to possibly have an embarrassing boner. It may be an issue for people who want to walk around tits akimbo and still not have them be seen or who have a problem with me liking seeing them, but they’ve chosen to be naked in public and so a certain amount of “being seen” has to be expected.
Sorry for the late reply. I’ve had a busy few days.
I’m not saying there’s natural/biological part to seeing some who is naked outside of culture norm to do so. What I’m saying is that decoupling your sexual desires from non sexual situations is beneficial not only for you but also for society. I’m advocating for a higher understanding of what it means to be human and respecting those despite what they look like or what they are wearing. Yes all within reason. Of course no one is arguing that you would knock a women out to SA (sexual assault.) her, but there are those that don’t have that level of control. And those people use our ridiculous cultural ideas about nudity and sexuality to do such atrocities. Your stance is just the lesser form of, “what was she wearing?” “why was she in that environment, she should have known SA was a possibility.” Just because a women is walking around naked/topless does not mean she wants to be objectified. (because once you boil someone down to an object, harming them becomes much easier.) Ya have that moment of nice tits, but don’t mentally linger on it, ogle at her, or voice your desires to others. And if you see others doing the opposite chastise them. If you want to get so excited about boobs go on the internet, go to a strip club or reputable brothal, or get in a healthy relationship with someone that’ll show you their’s in a sexual manner. I fucking love women’s boobs and ass, and love smashing may face into them during consensual activities. But I can also see a naked woman and not have the first thought be sexual.
Honestly, I must respectfully disagree. Personally, I still respect someone even if I want to have sex with them (or enjoy seeing them topless, as it were), in fact if we started getting to know eachother and found out I did not respect them, I would no longer find them attractive.
I further disagree in that I think simply looking at someone and being attracted isn’t (or at least isn’t necessarily,) objectification. I think there has to be a whole lot more at play than just “oh this girl looked at my abs while my shirt was off in public, she’s objectifying me.” Even if she said “oh look at that guy’s abs” to a friend, I don’t think it’s crossed a line. Attraction isn’t necessarily a problem, what’s a problem is not taking no for an answer. Even if the first thought is sexual, so? Sex is natural, attraction is natural, it is what it is, just don’t harass people.
You could bring a towel and casually hold it in front of the happy area. Maybe people will know what’s going on but they also know you’re trying. We’re all human.
Good to know, is that like, common etiquette in all of them? Not that I’m planning on going anytime soon anyway but I guess it’s good to know just in case!
It’s not even mandatory to be nude, at least the ones I know in Germany. So you could get accustomed to it slowly. As long as you’re not staring, you’re fine.
In Sylt, a German Island, the nude and dog beaches are mixed.
Huh, good to know, I did indeed think those places were mandatory to be nude at like the resort type places. I know they specifically have “clothing optional beaches” (not in my country afaik, but still), and those I figured were optional as they say, but I may hold a misconception about the “nudist resorts” proper.
Glad the dogs can be nude on the beaches though! Lol :D
Are you male or female? In this case, it matters.
You see, males (for the most part) ARE attracted to breasts! It’s hard wired in our brains! Even gay friends have an obsession with boobs! We men LOVE boobs!!
If you want to go topless, I say: FUCK YEAH!!! But I feel like the disconnect comes from some people feeling violated if men stare. I’m sorry, but if there are boobs within eyeshot, I’m gonna be looking at them. I might try to hide my gaze (because I don’t want to make anyone uncomfortable), but I’m gonna be checking them out. As frequently as possible. Because…boobs!!
I’m sorry if this is not the kind of response you were looking for, but…BOOBS!!
I’m a cis heterosexual male. I love all things about a women’s body, but I’m mature enough to not pop a boner just because I see a naked attractive woman. Like is that honestly hard for some healthy adult men?! Like if that woman and I are making sexual advances towards each, game on! Otherwise, what’s the big deal?
You are talking about culture not purely biological. Before clothing men weren’t walking around with erections all day. Same thing goes for many other cultures. The obsession with seeing anything naked is because we treat all nudity equally when it’s not. I see it as a personal control and character issue that is ingrained in western and Abrahamic religions areas.
I’m not saying I would be walking around with a boner. I’m saying I would want to look at naked breasts because I appreciate female bodies (in this case, specifically the chesticle region) no matter the shape. Are you shaming me for that?
Sure, if everyone walked around naked 24/7, it would probably be less of an issue. Do you believe that everyone walking around naked 24/7 is a viable option?
And also, you seriously believe that it is an issue ONLY with Western cultures and Abrahamic religions?! I’m starting to think you have never spoken to someone from China or Japan about their societal norms.
As long as you keep your inner monolog to yourself and are not ogling at the women I don’t see it as problematic. But you should still try to decoupling your sexual desires from non sexual situations.
I disagree that it’s “hardwired in our brains”. It certainly has a strong cultural bias. Also, I kinda look at it like a gynologist: If you’ve seen 20 of them naked, it gets boring and you stop staring, I guess.
On the other hand, I’m gay and breasts just don’t do anything for me. Now a guy with a decent set of pecs (but not ridiculously oversized), now we’re talking.
What’s your opinion on the Terry Crews style pec muscle jiggle?
It’s a bit much.
I support this for all the reasons. All the right ones. And all the wrong ones.
I want to build a society where women can walk around wearing whatever they want, even nothing, because they feel safe from harassment for all the reasons you listed.
I love equality and boobs
Equal protection clause. Any law that imposes itself on women and not men should be unconstitutional.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Dunno, an intentionalist would argue that by “people” they were only talking about rich white men.
Obviously they didn’t think slaves were people. Why would you think the considered women as people?
It’s the 14th amendment. Kind of an important one.
Isn’t that the one that kept slavery legal?
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
There’s a lot going on there.
And you’re thinking of the 13th amendment.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
You might want to spend more time studying our constitution if you’re going to participate in discussions about it.
The Supreme Court did pretty much read out that 3rd section.
Equal protection*
Should, but laws outlawing toplessness are almost always upheld by the courts, unfortunately.
“Protecting the public sensibilities from the public display of areas of the body traditionally viewed as erogenous zones — including female, but not male, breasts — is an important government objective.”
I chose my words.
In Washington state, you can just be nude. As long as you are not doing anything to be “obscene”.
Oregon too, last I knew at least.
This is, in fact, what makes Portland’s annual naked bike ride event possible.
Naked siblings, through and through.
What are you doing, step-city?
Whipping out my Oregon
Yes, Portland had decriminalized public nudity if participating in a peaceful protest, while not engaging in sexual conduct, and away from certain restricted areas like parks and schools. The annual naked bike ride is an organized peaceful protest that chooses its route appropriately as to not encroach on any areas where public nudity would otherwise be prohibited.
