More dataisdepressing than dataisbeautiful

  • Cypher@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Do u really want to be the one blaming 75% of suicides on men not being allowed to beat their wives?

    This is so back asswards it is genuinely astounding.

    Men are 75% of suicides under patriarchy.

    Damn I wonder how someone could conclude that patriarchy hurts the majority of men.

    • Men are 75% of suicides under patriarchy.

      Male suicide is getting worse every year the patriarchy is getting destroyed more every year, im simply pointing out the correlation is backward sof what u claim.

      Damn I wonder how someone could conclude that patriarchy hurts the majority of men.

      The data correlates exactly the wrong way for this to be true.

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        3 months ago

        Correlation does not equal causation.

        I would point to the economic disparity that is widening in virtually every advanced economy as a much more relevant driver of male suicide.

        • Correlation does not equal causation.

          Exactly but causation does not come without correlation. Causation is a subset of correlation.

          I would point to the economic disparity that is widening in virtually every advanced economy as a much more relevant driver of male suicide.

          Economic disparity should be effecting the genders equally unless you are saying women are doing better financially.

          • Unquote0270@programming.dev
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            3 months ago

            Maybe do some research about statistical concepts before spouting what sounds good to you. Causation can absolutely ‘come’ without correlation.

            You are a great example of someone not understanding that things are complex so you reach for tabloid explanations because they are comfortable and simple.

            • Maybe do some research about statistical concepts before spouting what sounds good to you. Causation can absolutely ‘come’ without correlation.

              Name a counter example

              You are a great example of someone not understanding that things are complex so you reach for tabloid explanations because they are comfortable and simple.

              I refuse to engage in bad faith argument and school yard insults.

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                3 months ago

                Name a counter example

                Statistics isn’t defined by examples. Educate yourself, this is a very well known and understood concept. Staying in ignorance is your choice.

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                    I don’t need to prove you wrong with examples, you are wrong, it’s very well documented and widely understood. If you choose to not believe it and can’t be bothered to research it yourself then you have chosen to stay ignorant, and wrong, which is your right.

    • TexasDrunk@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Yep. Toxic masculinity wants us to work ourselves to death without complaining to anyone. So our mental health is in the fucking toilet. If you’re not working enough, you’re not providing and you’re not a real man. If you do work enough but show any emotion that’s not a “manly” emotion (anything involving tears outside of a funeral or during Old Yeller or anything that’s too excited) then you’re not a real man.

      I could write a whole dissertation on how young men get sucked into that whole toxic ideology due to the promises of being able to have a family and a house. And it’s all a fucking lie.

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        Toxic masculinity wants us to work ourselves to death

        My man… Your owner wants this and we LARPed that kool aid.

        Got take some ownership IMHO

        Also, got to ID the perp… Otherwise this entire discussion is a futile exercise.