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As a middle aged father of two grown boys, one of the things I wish I had done better was encourage them to go out on their own more. Their mother would always be so worried, and knowing she has the best intention for them I would give in.
Also there was a couple of years when they were young I would try to force them to go outside and play, but they would quickly become bored and come back in the house. This was so frustrating at the time and then I realized that there were no other kids playing outside either. When I was growing up in the 80s and early 90s, I practically lived outside with my friends.
My boys are significantly more dependent on us, much less capable and their development seems stunted or slowed, which I am sure is partly due to the pandemic, but also due to the sheltering that has become normalized in our culture. Allowing this to happen is one of my biggest regrets as a father, which all things considered I guess isn’t that bad while keeping things in perspective.
I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that the abundance of information has a side effect of over protectiveness. This makes some sense as it would be evolutionarily beneficial to protect against potential threats, however media is tricking our brains to believe that these threats are both abundant and persistent.
Children need unsupervised freedom as part of their development, it allows them to learn how to navigate the world in a healthy regulated way, and how to deal with challenges, like problem solving or social interaction. The perception that the world is a dangerous place that children need constant protection from is flawed. If that were true, we would have never have survived as a species.
I was waiting for the part of the article where something tragic happened to the kid to warrant the mom’s jailing.
Not… him just going for a completely normal walk…
I’m genuinely surprised by these comments. Letting a child go out on their own is pure insanity.
Well, I guess half of Europe is insane then.
American suburbia has rotted your brain.
Japan is insane then.
lol yeah traumatize her family by showing up unannounced to take their mother away, while also undermining their mother’s authority as a parent. Just another day in the line of duty.
This is what 24/7 news does to the brain. It completely fucks up people’s sense of how risky things are.
As humans we tend to assume that the probability of something happening is proportional to the number of times we can remember hearing of it happening.
Many people think children walking or playing alone are at high risk of getting abducted because they hear about it “all the time” on the news. Yet they don’t think twice about sticking their kids in the car and driving somewhere.
Statistically though you’re orders of magnitude more likely to kill your child in a car accident, than have them abducted by a random stranger while allowing them to play or walk somewhere unattended. Car accidents are common so they rarely make the news, Child Abductions are extremely rare And frequently make the news. The mom in the story could have literally driven the child to the town and put the child at a greater risk in doing so then letting the child walk there alone.
Both the cop in the story, and the Karen that called him, Have a completely distorted sense of how much risk this child was in, And it’s all because the news media makes us think the extremely rare is relatively common.
In recent years, the media has told stories in fear mongering ways in order to drive more ratings, Which is only the amplifying this effect.
Not disagreeing with you. Just making clear that it is actually worse.
A Karen and a cop can’t put someone in jail. It takes a prosecutor, a judge and a jury of her peers.
I’m no expert, but I think you’re mixing up jail and prison. Prison would require a judge, jury and trial. But a cop can unilaterally throw someone in jail temporarily until their first court appearance.
From the article:
They [the sherif and a deputy] told Patterson to turn around and put her hands behind her back. As three of her kids watched, Patterson was handcuffed. The sheriff took her purse and phone, put her in the cruiser, and hauled her off to jail.
A Karen and a cop can’t put someone in jail. It takes a prosecutor, a judge and a jury of her peers.
This is not factual. A cop can bring anyone into jail that they have just about any made up reason to.
It takes all those extra individual to put you in prison.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/jail-vs-prison-difference
When I was around 3 years old, me and my not much older brother decided to walk across town, where our mum was visiting relatives.
I was missing mummy, which was technically not an emergency, for which we were supposed to phone those relatives.
We had been raised very well, you see. 🙃This is one of the problems that liberals create for themselves which cause the middle ground people to hate them. The liberals go too far. (I have no idea what I’m classified as - right leaning liberal, left leaning independent, or whatever.) The left wing needs to stay out of how parents raise their children, except for cases of abuse. This isn’t abuse. I’ve personally asked social workers, who were patients of mine, if the number of cases of child abductions have risen and every one of them have said no. It just appears that way due to our immediate access to news, social media, and Amber alerts. I would take off on my bike Saturday mornings. I would be away from home all day. I just had to be hone before the street lights came on.
Idk if you heard but liberals aren’t the ones trying to seperate families using law enforcement that’s a pretty standard conservative tactic. Telling others how to raise their kids again another conservative playbook. Idk what nonsense you are speaking is this one of those blame one side for what the other side is actually doing like grooming and pedophilia.
I really fear for the family lives of folks living in liberal strongholds like Georgia.
For real. I knew this shit happened in the south without clicking the headline
I don’t get you US americans with your political stuff, your terminology seems to be all over the place. Today democrats are libertarian, next day it’s the republicans. This is literally authoritarianism at play by definition, their liberties are taken away. And where does the evil left come from, that state seems to be run by Republicans, i.e. extreme rightwing.
I mean, ever since your election the whole world knows your politics is broken beyond repair, but this is still bloody confusing to read.
LOL. Yes. I totally agree. That’s why I said that even I don’t know what to call myself. People question me on my views and I’ve been called everything from a tree hugging hippie to one step away from being an authoritarian. Who freaking knows. I’m for everyone minding their own business and your rights end when they start to step on mine. Marry whomever you want - that is of age, dress how you like, read whatever you like, do whatever you want to your own body, and don’t try to dictate your beliefs to me. The slow burn of our country started a few administrations ago. People are just now starting seeing the smoke today.
Libberaallss!!! Good God do you even listen to yourself?
You just came to knee-jerk blame and hate. They have gone too faaaaaar!!!
Yes, those lefties who say you shouldn’t beat your kids and teach them to hate everyone who is different. Horrible people, just horrible.
Damn Hondurans! I don’t know what countries are or where I live, or what they have to do with this story, but those Hondurans sure do suck!
No, did you even read? 1) I said that I guess that I’m part of them. I really don’t know in today’s classifications. 2) I was talking about the over reactions by some liberials as an excuse and ammunition for the middle and middle right to point fingers and be pissed off. In which this article is addressing. I read the whole article. The sheriff and ADA are in the wrong on this case. The kid was fine. The sheriff should have never gone back and arrested the mother. And the ADA should not insist on the mother to sign the paperwork. As much as the left yells about the right over reaching, the left is doing the same in this case. I’m saying to both sides to stay out of family business unless it involves physical or mental abuse.
FYI, I voted blue.
I am having a hard time believing you. In your response you still sneak in some left/right bullshit. I would highly suggest just not commenting on anything being left or right as it is clear your grasp on politics is infantile.
ahh yes, the liberal DA, wait a second. republican frank wood DA, that can’t be right??? You must mean the sheriff then… but dane kirby is a republican too! But this is obviously a liberal problem, caused by the LeFt WiNg.
I grew up in the 90s.
When we got to 2nd grade, we became eligible to take a road-sign test. (Left, right, stop). If you could demonstrate that you knew what that meant, and show them you owned a helmet, you could then ride your bicycle to and from school.
I was 7.
This was more than a decade after the term “stranger danger” had been seared into the American psyche.
I worry of the future.
In my school in Sweden the blanket rule was that once you were ten you got to bike to school.
Now this was in the suburbs north of Stockholm and the streets were calm, but we did have to pass a rail crossing.
I remember the day before school school was starting, my mom walked me and my sister to school to show the way we should walk to school, and then we walked to and from school unsupervised from when I was six.
People think kids can do less and less. I was ten when I was allowed out in a rowboat by myself on the lake my grandparents had a cottage on in the 90’s. Walk a mile? We went all fucking over. I don’t get it. Shit the rule at school was if you lived within half a mile you walked to school.
Shit, my bus stop was at least a half mile away without so much as a sidewalk anywhere, just a dirt road and a canal. You didn’t even get a bus stop if you were less than 2 miles from school. We regularly rode our bikes like 12 miles away from home to the movie theater, I think we were pre-teens. Technically I could have ridden my bike to grade 6 (it was on the way to the movie theater), but who wants to show up to 6th grade everyday drenched in sweat or rain (it would always have been one or the other).
When I was 12 or 13 I’d walk into town to check out the used cd stores all the time. Seems pretty normal.
Only in the US of A.
Only restriction a 10 year old has is 23:00 curfew. Kids here(SE EU) go to school on their own from first grade. Being out 'till curfew without adult supervision is normal.
Why aren’t the kids going outside anymore lol
OMFG I KNOW RIGHT!?! XD
A woman who saw him walking alongside the road—speed limit: 25 in some places, 35 in others—asked him if he was OK. He said yes.
Nevertheless, she called the police.
So it was all that Karen’s fault…
A family friend got a police visit because she lets her kids ride their bikes out of view of home. Like they go a couple streets over and ride around but apparently that’s neglect now
I grew up on the southeast side of Portland. When I was 10, I rode my bike to Multnomah Falls and across the river into Washington State. I moved away just before my 11th birthday so I’m very confident about my age. I also rode all around Portland. Into downtown, down to Lake Oswego, over to my aunt’s in Gresham…
The worst thing that ever happened was an older kid on a bike came up next to me and tried to push me off of my bike, but it didn’t work and I took off and he was chasing me. I wove thru traffic and parked cars at a shopping center and he ended up slamming into a parked car at full speed. :)
No. It was liberal busybodies who enabled this sort of thing to happen in the first place.
And if that statement pisses anyone off, ask yourself this: Do you think this sort of thing was championed by conservative people?
I’m liberal as hell in most opinions, but this is exactly the sort of government overreach conservatives despise.
I’d imagine that the odds of that person being conservative in a town of 300 people are like 99%.
These days “conservatives” despise anything that has a hint of government smell on it. Not because of anything meaningful or anything, of course, just that “government bad”.
Do they? Cuz I just read an article about Donald Trump starting a whole new government agency.
Yeah, but to them he’s the “anti-government”.
It flies in the face of rationality, of course, but so does most conservative ideology.
Nah, this isn’t a political thing, it’s an asshole thing
Conservatives hate government overreach
Unless someone is gay
Then the government should reach all around to prevent them participating in public life.
The government stopping doctors from practicing medicine is overreach every “conservative” votes for. Stopping a person from growing a plant and then consuming it is government overreach that every “conservative” votes for. Unconstitutional seizure of money without a fair trial is government overreach that every “conservative” votes for. Forcing
shariachristian indoctrination into school curriculums is government overreach that every “conservative” votes for.I still see children walking alone where I live, but I’ll admit that I can’t compare it to when I was young because I don’t pass by elementary schools before/after school to be able to see them.
I could definitely see it championed by some conservative people. Both ends of the political spectrum can have tendencies towards government control, depending on the topic.
Conservatism is often built upon fear. Also consider all of the studies linking right-wing political views to physiological differences like bigger amygdalas (which play a role in fear).
Some people will be fearful that children need to be protected at all costs, so they’ll do things like this.
Just remember which side is doing things “for the children” as a scapegoat…hide the gays for the children, no drag story time to protect the children, no sex education (even books) to keep the children innocent. No walking alone outside to protect the children.
I’m not saying this particular Karen was Conservative, but I’m saying that she could be. I’m not sure why you’re blaming Liberal people, but I’m sure you have explanations like I do (and I’d be curious to hear them), but I’d wager that the problem is not exclusively tied to either side of the political spectrum.
This sort of nanny state neighbor hood busy body bullshit is constantly perpetuated by elderly conservatives with too much time on their hands.
Liberals arent the fucking snowflakes conservatives claim they are, but conservatives sure act like one.
Yes I do think it was championed by conservative people. And if that statement pisses anyone off, my evidence is that Fannin County GA, where this took place, voted 82% for Trump. It’s almost as if the whole “government overreach” thing is just empty marketing for policies that make rich people richer…
Fair, but the parent still neglected the child.
That’s not what neglect is
Sure.
It’s not
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In what way?
Help me understand what your definition of neglect is.
Abandonment is neglect.
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In Japan I saw like 5 year olds taking the morning train by themselves to school
When I grew up in the 80s I had a bike when I was 7, my best friend was 8 and also had a bike, and we just cruised around town all day together having adventures and avoiding the cigarette smoking 9 year olds who had bigger bikes.
Reason.com is a libertarian propaganda mill. This story is meant to pit you against the state so you can swallow their other bullshit.
This is why you check the story against multiple sources. Just search “brittany patterson georgia” and you will find this has gone viral and there is tons of outrage over this.
I haven’t found a story that doesn’t use Reason as their source. I only found one that tried to contact the police department for comment, but they hadn’t responded.
So we do still only have one truly distinct account of this story, which is the mom’s side of the ordeal.
Virality and outrage don’t make a story more accurate.
We don’t know why the woman who encountered the boy on the road called the police. We don’t know what the kid was doing at the time. Was he walking to the side of the road? Was he walking on the road? Did he seem “off” in some way that made it so that the woman called the police? Were there previous warnings that that road was dangerous?
Police set up a safety plan for the son, that involved making sure someone always knew where he was. Why was that done? Multiple people in the PD all looked at the case and decided this was the right course of action, why?
I’ll judge once I hear what the police says their motivations were. They could have well stepped over the line here. Or there were legitimate concerns for the child’s safety.
Does that make the actual story any less disturbing?
The question is what they’re leaving out of the story. Maybe this is a full accounting and law enforcement needs to chill the fuck out. Maybe it’s not the whole story and law enforcement are doing their job correctly. Maybe it’s still an overreaction, but more justifiable. In any case, there is no reason to take Reason at their word.
So you think this woman deserved to be arrested?
What I am wondering is what this publication is leaving out of the story in order to sell their perspective on everything. Maybe it’s nothing and this really is just a DCFS gone mad (there are certainly cases in which this is true), or maybe there’s more to the story and they are just glazing over it to make things sound better to their point of view.
Either way, this is a Republican run state which is the party that likes to court libertarians so I am pretty skeptical of everything regarding this.
I’ve heard this story before, it’s not a new incident. It’s also getting a lot of coverage from lots of media.
Similar story, 2014: https://www.cnn.com/2014/07/31/living/florida-mom-arrested-son-park/index.html
Republican run state which is the party that likes to court libertarians
Hasn’t the last 20 years or so proven their actions very differently from their claims?
I used to walk all over my home town (and around my first home’s block) starting at age 5. Like, the fuck is this?
You’re going to jail
Oh fuck. Oh shit. Feet don’t fail me now!
Edit: Nope. I’m too fat and out of shape after neglecting myself from nearly 3 decades of depression. Just give me the cuffs. I’ll put 'em on myself.
