the only idiots who willingly misattribute this thought experiment are conservative trolls and Leftists, in my experience.
honestly I think Democrats are the only ones who can fully grasp the concept of the trolley problem since both conservatives and leftists are much too extreme to make a non-biased choice. That can only be true because Democrats ride the fence between the two so well(according to both conservatives anf leftists).
but hey, I’m just some retard on the internet according to them as well. 🤷
Extreme leftism is when you have a bedrock principle or two that you refuse to compromise on. Centrism is when everything, even genocide, is negotiable.
really great how you made a net negative sound like a positive, when in reality Leftists are just hyper focused on a facet of a larger problem and completely ignore the bigger picture because it doesn’t make them feel warm and fuzzy.
that’s fine. Genocide is acceptable by Leftists too if it’s Muslims.
btw, where was the leftist outrage for the millions of Wygers in China? not brown enough? not convenient enough during an election?
so what makes lefties IGNORE Wyger persecution in china?
Leave aside for a moment the argument we might have about what is happening in China… What the fuck would I be able to do about that? Do I vote in China? Do my tax dollars fund their military?
Leave aside for a moment the argument we might have about what is happening in China… What the fuck would I be able to do about that? Do I vote in China? Do my tax dollars fund their military?
so it’s based entirely on convenience. that’s even worse than being a racist.
your economic dollars do. the entire American economy is dependent on cheap Wyger labor.
how about pushing political leadership to apply pressure on China to stop enslaving Wygers? How about stop buying anything from China?
Your money, not tax money, but YOUR money enables China to continue to enslave Wygers.
when you go to the store, how about you look at where all your shit is made. I bet the technology you’re using to spray your liquid shititlement everywhere online is even made by Wygers in China.
Can’t lefties get their messaging straight? You guys are the “anti-establishment” crowd. the most organized anarchists! The best corpopinkos in the world!
Um… Do you mean Uyghurs? Because maybe you shouldn’t get so upset about others not caring about that genocide when you aren’t even aware of what the people being genocided are called.
You have to keep the focus on China otherwise you have to face the indefensible American support of genocide. You ask me to seek influence over my own government who already rattles the saber at China, yet I can’t even influence their very direct funding of Israel’s genocide! Tell me how you imagine that would be done? Tell me how I might apply pressure on China in 1/1000 the amount I might apply on my own government.
You have to keep the focus on China otherwise you have to face the indefensible American support of genocide.
and there we have it folks! lefties can’t even fathom anything other than what fits their narrative. they realize the hypocrisy and immediately move the goal posts. just like another extremist faction we know!
You ask me to seek influence over my own government who already rattles the saber at China, yet I can’t even influence their very direct funding of Israel’s genocide!
so which is it? are you demanding your government to stop supporting genocide or are you powerless to stop your government from supporting genocide?
someone else said this, and I think it’s very appropriate right now.
…I think you’ve opted in to accepting genocide. How can you accept such a thing? The absolute minimum you should demand of your party is that they oppose genocide. Otherwise, what is the fucking point?
who said that? 🤔 Oh! it was YOU!
Tell me how you imagine that would be done? Tell me how I might apply pressure on China in 1/1000 the amount I might apply on my own government.
IDK, lefties certainly did enough damage this election to cause Hitler’s second coming to happen. I believe you’ll figure something out to make the situation worse, for everybody. Because that’s the leftist way.
And american voters also didn’t get to do anything about the palestinian genocide because there were two choices and pretending there were more is delusional at best. And the choice was between a party unwilling to take a strong stance against it vs a party actively encouraging it and saying they’d help. While also openly wanting to genocide minority groups in their own country.
Well, there is a third choice. It’s the centrist choice of either not voting or voting for an irrelevant party, equivalent to saying “let the others decide”.
Just stop trying to paint the dems as “unwilling to take a strong stance against it” when they were absolutely “actively encouraging it”. What is with this liberal disease of totally ignoring actions while obsessing over words?
You think I’ve opted out of a decision, but I think you’ve opted in to accepting genocide. How can you accept such a thing? The absolute minimum you should demand of your party is that they oppose genocide. Otherwise, what is the fucking point?
When there are 2 choices and you choose neither that is opting out of a decision, and nothing else. It’s throwing your hands up and saying “well i cant change it anyway, let’s just do nothing”.
Also, stop pretending like trumps and kamalas stances are identical. They’re not. Trump is right up there with netanyahu in seeing palestinians as subhuman.
If you say you support a ceasefire, but you refuse to stop sending weapons to Israel, then you don’t actually support a ceasefire, and the only rational conclusion is that you actually support the genocide. The difference between the Harris and Trump stances are that one of them lies about their motivations.
If there are “two choices”, both of which support genocide, then there is actually only one choice. I did not opt out of any decision. I registered a vote of no confidence.
Libs on this platform are obsessed with the trolley problem. They referred to it a lot to prove that genocide is ok and it being a deal breaker is stupid.
Democrats : we have a complicated diplomatic relationship with this foreign state that is exacerbated by our domestic politics. We want this war to end, way more aid to flow into gaza, and a real, two state solution with a change of leadership in both nations so Palestine can co-exist with Israel.
MAGA : PALESTINE DOES NOT EXIST AND NEVER WILL, WE WILL SEND A FLOOD OF UNLIMITED WEAPONS ON DAY 1, THE WEST BANK DOES NOT HAVE ILLEGAL SETTLEMENTS, JUST NORMAL COMMUNITIES. OUR AMBASSADOR TO ISRAEL IS A FUNDAMENTALIST CRISTIAN WHO WANTS ARMAGEDDON AND OUR SECRETARY OF STATE HAS CALLED FOR TOTAL WAR.
You:
These are the same people.
Yall are absolute clown cars, and have sentenced the palestinian people to even more mass death with your empty, vacant posturing. Its fully possible there will be no west bank or gaza after these 4 years end, partly due to your actions. Great job.
You must have misclicked, I am saying Democrats were a clear choice, that the concept that a voter could morally abstain from voting for them because of Gaza is pure fallacy.
There is no trolley problem normalizing Genocide relating to Democrats in the USA election, because genocide was always normalized and never on the ballot.
In fact, the trolley problems that user is referring to likely pointed exactly that out and they still don’t understand it, an absolute concavebrain whoosh scenario.
This guy pulled the lever and is mad that it was rusted in place.
I mean, I did too. But I knew it was rusted first. Had to try anyways.
I just know that the people at fault are both the assholes who cut the repair and replacement budget and the guys who tied the people to the tracks, and not some randoms who aren’t even in the same country.
How democrats unironically viewed the election.
that’s rich.
the only idiots who willingly misattribute this thought experiment are conservative trolls and Leftists, in my experience.
honestly I think Democrats are the only ones who can fully grasp the concept of the trolley problem since both conservatives and leftists are much too extreme to make a non-biased choice. That can only be true because Democrats ride the fence between the two so well(according to both conservatives anf leftists).
but hey, I’m just some retard on the internet according to them as well. 🤷
Ah, yes, centrists. The only ones able to think.
Ah, yea, extremists. The only ones who “have all the answers”.
Ah yes, z axists, the only ones able to “rise above” the issue
Extreme leftism is when you have a bedrock principle or two that you refuse to compromise on. Centrism is when everything, even genocide, is negotiable.
really great how you made a net negative sound like a positive, when in reality Leftists are just hyper focused on a facet of a larger problem and completely ignore the bigger picture because it doesn’t make them feel warm and fuzzy.
that’s fine. Genocide is acceptable by Leftists too if it’s Muslims.
btw, where was the leftist outrage for the millions of Wygers in China? not brown enough? not convenient enough during an election?
so what makes lefties IGNORE Wyger persecution in china?
Leave aside for a moment the argument we might have about what is happening in China… What the fuck would I be able to do about that? Do I vote in China? Do my tax dollars fund their military?
so it’s based entirely on convenience. that’s even worse than being a racist.
your economic dollars do. the entire American economy is dependent on cheap Wyger labor.
how about pushing political leadership to apply pressure on China to stop enslaving Wygers? How about stop buying anything from China?
Your money, not tax money, but YOUR money enables China to continue to enslave Wygers.
when you go to the store, how about you look at where all your shit is made. I bet the technology you’re using to spray your liquid shititlement everywhere online is even made by Wygers in China.
Can’t lefties get their messaging straight? You guys are the “anti-establishment” crowd. the most organized anarchists! The best corpopinkos in the world!
I’ll just keep calling them hypocrites though.
Um… Do you mean Uyghurs? Because maybe you shouldn’t get so upset about others not caring about that genocide when you aren’t even aware of what the people being genocided are called.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs
You have to keep the focus on China otherwise you have to face the indefensible American support of genocide. You ask me to seek influence over my own government who already rattles the saber at China, yet I can’t even influence their very direct funding of Israel’s genocide! Tell me how you imagine that would be done? Tell me how I might apply pressure on China in 1/1000 the amount I might apply on my own government.
and there we have it folks! lefties can’t even fathom anything other than what fits their narrative. they realize the hypocrisy and immediately move the goal posts. just like another extremist faction we know!
so which is it? are you demanding your government to stop supporting genocide or are you powerless to stop your government from supporting genocide?
someone else said this, and I think it’s very appropriate right now.
who said that? 🤔 Oh! it was YOU!
IDK, lefties certainly did enough damage this election to cause Hitler’s second coming to happen. I believe you’ll figure something out to make the situation worse, for everybody. Because that’s the leftist way.
Anyone can see through your long winded grandstanding. The shrill desperation oozes from your words.
And american voters also didn’t get to do anything about the palestinian genocide because there were two choices and pretending there were more is delusional at best. And the choice was between a party unwilling to take a strong stance against it vs a party actively encouraging it and saying they’d help. While also openly wanting to genocide minority groups in their own country.
Well, there is a third choice. It’s the centrist choice of either not voting or voting for an irrelevant party, equivalent to saying “let the others decide”.
Just stop trying to paint the dems as “unwilling to take a strong stance against it” when they were absolutely “actively encouraging it”. What is with this liberal disease of totally ignoring actions while obsessing over words?
You think I’ve opted out of a decision, but I think you’ve opted in to accepting genocide. How can you accept such a thing? The absolute minimum you should demand of your party is that they oppose genocide. Otherwise, what is the fucking point?
When there are 2 choices and you choose neither that is opting out of a decision, and nothing else. It’s throwing your hands up and saying “well i cant change it anyway, let’s just do nothing”.
Also, stop pretending like trumps and kamalas stances are identical. They’re not. Trump is right up there with netanyahu in seeing palestinians as subhuman.
If you say you support a ceasefire, but you refuse to stop sending weapons to Israel, then you don’t actually support a ceasefire, and the only rational conclusion is that you actually support the genocide. The difference between the Harris and Trump stances are that one of them lies about their motivations.
If there are “two choices”, both of which support genocide, then there is actually only one choice. I did not opt out of any decision. I registered a vote of no confidence.
I don’t get it.
Libs on this platform are obsessed with the trolley problem. They referred to it a lot to prove that genocide is ok and it being a deal breaker is stupid.
USA voters in the recent election never had a choice between genocide and not genocide, though, so your rambling seems pretty delusional.
Democrats : we have a complicated diplomatic relationship with this foreign state that is exacerbated by our domestic politics. We want this war to end, way more aid to flow into gaza, and a real, two state solution with a change of leadership in both nations so Palestine can co-exist with Israel.
MAGA : PALESTINE DOES NOT EXIST AND NEVER WILL, WE WILL SEND A FLOOD OF UNLIMITED WEAPONS ON DAY 1, THE WEST BANK DOES NOT HAVE ILLEGAL SETTLEMENTS, JUST NORMAL COMMUNITIES. OUR AMBASSADOR TO ISRAEL IS A FUNDAMENTALIST CRISTIAN WHO WANTS ARMAGEDDON AND OUR SECRETARY OF STATE HAS CALLED FOR TOTAL WAR.
You:
These are the same people.
Yall are absolute clown cars, and have sentenced the palestinian people to even more mass death with your empty, vacant posturing. Its fully possible there will be no west bank or gaza after these 4 years end, partly due to your actions. Great job.
You must have misclicked, I am saying Democrats were a clear choice, that the concept that a voter could morally abstain from voting for them because of Gaza is pure fallacy.
There is no trolley problem normalizing Genocide relating to Democrats in the USA election, because genocide was always normalized and never on the ballot.
In fact, the trolley problems that user is referring to likely pointed exactly that out and they still don’t understand it, an absolute concavebrain whoosh scenario.
This guy pulled the lever and is mad that it was rusted in place.
I mean, I did too. But I knew it was rusted first. Had to try anyways.
I just know that the people at fault are both the assholes who cut the repair and replacement budget and the guys who tied the people to the tracks, and not some randoms who aren’t even in the same country.