Canuck here.
Doesn’t the Posse Comitatus Act prohibit the use of military (other than National Guard and Coast Guard) for this purpose?
I see they can be used but only if the Insurrection Act is invoked (might be other ways but that’s the one that came up most frequently in my searches).
Laws don’t matter any more.
Presidents are now immune from prosecution for basically anything they do in an official capacity thanks to the corrupted Supreme Court. So who’s going to stop him? Even if Congress makes a new, specific law against it with dire consequences, he’s putting loyalists in law enforcement and the courts can’t enforce the law when the highest one will overturn any ruling because of that interpretation.
It does.
But when none of the checks actually step in to stop it, then what difference does it make?
If Republicans truly saw companies hiring illegal immigrants as an issue, they’d be able to easily crack down on business owners doing the hiring and make the punishment more than just a slap on the wrist.
No, the cruelty towards other humans is the point. They don’t care about the non-existent issue.
Trump has been busted for hiring illegals and faced no real consequences
The slippery slope here is that deciding who is “illegal” may vary wildly depending on who Trump empowers (legit or just some Nazis that want “safe streets”) to decide this. He has had people saying just undocumented, but also people saying anyone that isn’t a full citizen (so anyone here with a Visa/Green Card/work papers/migrant workers/refugees/etc.).
You also know that when the Nazis/KKK folks get to work they are just going to be grabbing people that “look illegal” or that run from them/their mob (because they look dangerous!).
This is also going to have a HUGE impact on food prices when farmers have nobody to pick crops.
Get out of here with your woke pronouns, it’s ’he/him mob’!
History repeats itself (because humans are stupid).
Pick up a history book to find out where it goes from here.
If you can get out of this country, get out.
Yup.
Obviously that’s not an option for the vast majority. But if you have the means, then there are absolutely 1st world countries where you can live a longer, healthier, less stressful life where you are afforded more rights.
This ship is sinking. Maybe slowly, but definitely sinking.
Who the fuck knew we are going to see the fall of America in our lifetimes. The only thing I hope for at this point is strong Europe.
I remember pointing out to my 8th grade social studies teacher that most countries don’t get to exist for over 200 years, especially after they have a massive civil war.
Have you heard of European countries?
The number of them that havent had a massive civil war or have been forced to reform because of war is fucken Sweden, Switzerland, and maybe Portugal im not familiar with their history. No Lichtenstein and the other micro nations dont count.
Many European countries that we know today didn’t exist in their current form that long ago and had a major war preceding the establishment of that nation. Kingdom of the Netherlands and the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg were formed in 1815 and Kingdom of Belgium 1830 before they were always subjects of a bigger empire or kingdom. Unification of Italy 1871 when Rome was finally captured and French Republic formed in 1792, France’s latest form is the Fifth Republic established in 1958. Germany only unified in 1866 before that time it was a bunch of smaller states and kingdoms, then after 1919 became the Weimar Republic, Federal Republic of Germany in 1949 and then fall of the wall in 1989. Independence of Greece 1821. Those examples aren’t the only ones and don’t forget the western Balkans, those nations were all formed in the 90’s.
It’s not that the country of America will disappear after a civil war but it might not be called the USA anymore.
Sure, but some, like Portugal, have had their current form since the mid 13th century.
Sure but Portugal isn’t “most countries.”
Who the fuck knew we are going to see the fall of America in our lifetimes.
No one thinks major downward shifts will happen in their lifetime…until they do. Our great shame is that we voted for it.
Writing’s on the wall. We’re squarely on the path of decline.
Only thing to debate now is the timeline.
My hope is that once all the farm/meat packing workers get deported, we realize that we don’t have any food left. After a few months of being vegetarian, the red-meat eating conservatives will back-track and finally open up a legal path for all those workers to be here.
Y’all ever see one of those fuckers admit they were wrong?
They aren’t going to be deported, that’s a logistical nightmare. They will be put into privately own facilities where they will be forced to work.
The rich and powerful will still be buying meat at the insane rates, and their opinions are the only ones the other rich and powerful care about
Its one bigmac, what could it cost, $10?
Meat won’t be the only impacted ag industry. A lot of fruits and vegetables still require hand picking and packing. The only product that is largely automated from start to finish is grain. Maybe potatoes, too.
among those will likely be people whose relatives voted for Trump because of reasons
Greetings from Germany. Maybe you want to skip everything that happens from now on and end this before this lunatic takes office.
On a unrelated topic: aren’t you the nation with the most guns?
The majority of the gun owners are also right wing Trumpers.
aren’t you the nation with the most guns?
Yes, and ownership is predominantly with those who want to kill/ deport immigrants. In the US, there are ~120.5 guns per 100 people. However, this statistic is misleading, because you might expect most people to have 1 gun, and a few people to have more than one to get to that statistic. However, most households do not have a fire arm.
So the average gun-owner, actually owns from 4-8 guns, while the majority of Americans own 0 guns. We have a culture of gun-obsessed rightwing psychopaths.
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There’s a problem with TOO MANY GUNS.
Let’s solve that problem by GETTING MORE GUNS
The problem there is the government already has most of the guns and are very, very willing to use them.
When was the last time the military used the guns against its population?
Every day, when the militarized police kill innocent people extrajudicially.
That baby was coming right for 'em.
54 years, I think?
Wounded Knee (the second one not the original one) was 1973.
Kent State in '70. The Bonus Army (homeless WWI vets) in the 30s. Blair Mountain (coal miners on strike) and the Tulsa Race Massacre in '21.
Only a half dozen times in the last 100 years or so.
Remember that baby an officer shot the other day? Shoulda had a gun.
I personally think there arent enough guns being used properly. But then again I think the funny shooty shooty bang bang sticks should be used to shed the blood of Saxon men.
Its always interesting and telling how people respond to things. Your assumption that I don’t own a fire arm tells me more about you than it ever would myself.
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I’m really sorry if you’re having a bad day,
Why did that lead you to respond in such an angry manner?
I think you need to take a breath and check to see if you’ve made any correct assumptions whatsoever in this conversation. The tone of my response couldn’t be more sanguine.
As a non-right wing, non-psychopath, I’m uncomfortable with the idea of owning a gun at all.
I don’t want one in my home and I don’t want one on my person. Even if I did purchase one and ended up using it to protect myself, the knowledge that I took a human’s life would be too much for me to live with.
The majority of voters who cast a valid ballot voted for him, what do you even do with those people? You get rid of their leader, another take their place. The military took an oath to the constitution, that included recognizing the results of elections, regardless of if they are a fascist. The US isn’t a Defensive Democracy like modern day Germany, we aren’t getting rid of them until the next election, that is, if there ever is a next election.
Trump has cult of personality, it will implode without him. Vance is an empty suit, RFK is nuts and sounds horrible, Musk is Saxon African Chris chan. My point is once Trump is dead most of his movement will most likely go static.
The dumb part is they’re also targeting the people who they trained to be killers
Don’t forget the German police murdered JStark in 2021.
Google says he had a heart attack.
It also says that he had the heart attack in a police car while in police custody. Sounds rather convenient, don’t you think?
The Gestapo is coming.
Reposting my comment again.
Like the German version of Nazis before them, they aren’t coming for their biggest target first. They’re coming for their political opposition, the “abortionists”, the atheists, the drug users, the mentally ill…
RFK Jr.:
“I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need — three or four years if they need it— to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities,”
Re-education camps, huh.
If the alternative is prison, these “wellness farms” may actually be better.
The problem is that i don’t trust the source
It seriously sounds like one of those bullshit dystopian things. “Oh he’s getting better on the wellness farm.” Meanwhile dude is in a fucking gulag.
Trump has said he is bringing back mental institutions. They don’t exist yet, so, concentration camps until then.
I’m not going to a camp or prison for my managed mental illness, so I guess they’ll have to kill me and kidnap my children.
Dude just watched A Scanner Darkly and stole the idea.
One key problem with using military, in national emergency martial law power, is “put anyone brown looking onto a bus”. Don’t you carry your citizenship papers on you at all times?
If I was brown during the trump presidency I’d carry my passport everywhere for that reason
OK, but you’d still be brown.
Surely nobody would ever march their army on Rome.
Oh hey look, there’s the ultraconservative Sulla, why does he have his entire army with him?
Speaking as a Canadian, I’m confused. If you boot out all the undocumented, where are you going to find the migrant workers to do all the unpleasant, if not downright dangerous jobs? And many of those are in red states. What does that leave? The convict workforce? I guess that is huge in the US.
We have migrant workers here too. They come on temporary visas, so they are technically documented. But the whole sector is rife with discrimination and human rights violations regardless.
They will use the newly incarcerated immigrants as slave labor as apportioned by the 13th amendment.
Likely a food shortage, if not an actual famine. It’s fucking stupid.
Did you expect anything different?
That’ll go nicely with the voluntary pandemics.
He’ll be focusing on undocumented folks in blue states, first, for sure. But economists are already predicting skyrocketing grocery prices as labor scarcity is forcibly introduced by these deportations, either way.
My guess, he focuses purely on “shock and awe” by targeting blue cities with workplace raids rather than just going to literally every farm in the south.
In my blue state, they’d have to use purely federal resources. Local law enforcement is not required to cooperate
ICE and DEA are probably in every state already.
I’m sure they are in every state, and can do enough to make headlines, continue stoking outrage. However they don’t have the manpower to actually take it seriously, or to investigate beyond what big name they want to use for propaganda
I know. The headlines are all 47 will care about. As is tradition.
Spoiler for you: they’ll comply and cooperate. Police aren’t known as bastions and liberal policies and agendas. They’re overwhelming MAGAts
The police are not your friends
Police are just as lazy as anyone else. While there will be a few turncoats, I’d expect them to generally go along with “you can snub a fed and do nothing”
Don’t worry, I’m sure he has a concept of a plan for that…or he didn’t bother thinking about it yet because he’s so stupid he can’t think more than a single step ahead for anything.
Step 1: be rich
Step 2: bribe the government to do your bidding
Step 3: decimate the workforce of your competitors
Step 4: profit, buy out competition, become “too big to fail”
Yup.
Getting rid of a ton of cheap labor is not good for an economy.
Red states will suffer more.
They’ll ask for more federal funds to support them than they already do.
Their daddy in the big seat will give it to them.
Just more of our money going to a bunch of ignorant/racist fools who can’t learn to vote more intelligently.
In a roundabout way… If they get the handouts, they will see trump as the saviour. The fact he caused the issues are irrelevant or that it costs something else so they can get their trump food stamps…
It doesn’t matter how badly this administration fails. At the end of 4 years they’ll find a way to blame Democrats and praise Trump, even though that makes no sense because their team is in total control.
But that’s the nature of a cult.
The children yearn for the mines.
This. Defunding education, removing social safety nets, and scaling back labour laws all will force whole families of low income workers to replace the migrant workers for the same or worse pay.
Absolutely. My comment was just a quip/ meme, but I do worry that what you laid out is their goal.
They have indicated in Project 2025 that they plan to rollback various safety nets. Unfortunately, the US is already lacking in that.
Oh! I got the meme! I also preferred it when it was clearly a joke, not a call to child labour.
Oh that’s where the queers and the democrats come in. Specifically we will be coming in chains
A migrant worker is not undocumented. Many are here in a legitimate work visa and it’s heavily used in farming.
Undocumented aliens comprise several subgroups and I suppose you can say “I really meant ….”.
For example the most common illegal is a formerly legal visiting student or worker who overstays their visa. And as you said, this is an area subject to human rights violation and discrimination: an employer can treat someone as poorly as they want, when someone is subject to deportation if they lose their job
where are you going to find the migrant workers to do all the unpleasant, if not downright dangerous jobs?
Replaced by forced labor.
And all of the military stationed at the border will be turned around to keep people in once Trump moves on from immigrants to trans people, or some other group who will be forced to flee the country to avoid being put in the concentration camps that will be empty and need people to keep the prison companies’ profits up.
