Ok.
Do it.
The overwhelming problem is that the Dems tend to hold their members accountable while the republicans absolutely DGAF and happily keep literal criminals in their ranks.
She’s basically acknowledging there’s plenty of dirt, but the only offenses they’ll care about is their opponents’.
Even if the democrats weren’t actually holding their members accountable, it should be done. So what if dozens of politicians, both R and D get expelled as a result. Nobody should be upset that people who had bad ethics reports get expelled.
It would be ideal if both sides held their members accountable equally. My point was that this isn’t the case.
We know of some democratic lawmakers who have been held accountable, and a very small number of republicans. But, really we don’t know whether what we’re seeing is the norm, or if it’s just a tiny fraction being held accountable. It’s possible that there are more democrats that are committing unethical acts, but that they’re better at hiding it and/or have more complicity in covering it up. But, I think most sane people would say that everybody’s ethics violations should be public information. Even if it means hundreds of congresspeople losing their jobs and massive uncertainty in who will hold power. Ethics violations should be something voters get to know about.
Oh FFS. Your premise is that the dems are bad because they might be hiding evil stuff, or they’re better at hiding it, so that makes them just as bad as the republicans who get actually get caught?
Give me a break.
I already laid out what the problem is with republicans and how ethics are essentially meaningless to them when it comes to holding themselves accountable, but they freak out over tan suits, so I really have no clue what your point is.
Wow, you’re like some kind of cultist. Any criticism that might apply to democrats and you come out swinging.
My premise is that we don’t know what ethics violations have been suppressed by either party. We know that both Republicans and Democrats have been found to have violated ethics, but we don’t know whether it’s the majority that have been exposed or if it’s just the tip of the iceberg. If it turns out that the Democrats have never suppressed an ethics violation then maybe they do live up to your mental image of them and are pure as the driven snow. But, it’s also possible that the democrats have protected some members.
That doesn’t mean that Republicans are better than Democrats or something, it just means that politics is politics and sometimes people in power get away with things. But really dude, you should cut back on the hero worship. These are just politicians, they shouldn’t be your whole identity.
It’s possible that there are more democrats that are committing unethical acts, but that they’re better at hiding it and/or have more complicity in covering it up.
This is your premise. Democrats are possibly evil too, and that’s what you’re basing your argument on.
There’s no hero worship here, it’s objectively true that democrats punish their members more than the republicans do by a long shot.
My premise is that people are sometimes corrupt and that power corrupts. There are democrats in power.
Are you really so much in a cult that you can’t believe that your side could possibly be anything less than pure?
fuckin do it. don’t threaten me with a good time.
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this is probably just an internal threat to bring dissenting republicans in line, nothing to see for us here since it likely won’t be realized
Even a broken clock is right twice a day…
I wonder how long we’ll have to wait for the second time.
Your username is cool
Random word generator about 15 years ago, been my handle ever since.
Good rng
He went on to address the allegations against him, saying he deems them “worth less than nothing.” “Under our laws, a man is considered innocent until proven guilty. If AG Garland (an unprincipled D-bag) could have secured a conviction against Gaetz, he would have, but he knew he could not. Case closed,” Musk added.
This probably a biggest eason why Garland was the absolute stupidest choice for AG Biden could have made.
Obama nominated him for SC, because he knew no one would get a hearing, it literally didn’t matter.
Obama didn’t really want Garland on the SC, because it would be a wasted appointment compared to what Republicans seat in the bench.
But Biden’s old ass didn’t understand what was happening. So he actually appointed Garland as AG, and seemed to honestly have expected Garland to do anything.
And trump supporters never know what’s happening, they knew the name from before Trump took office as Obama’s SC pick. Assumed that meant Garland was hyper partisan, ignored everything he did say, and when no one was held accountable, used it as “proof” that there was no evidence
The only people that was ever happy with Garland as AG, was Garland and neo liberals who also rarely understand what’s happening.
Uh huh … go on…
I don’t think that’s the threat she thinks it is…
This argument reveals that she thinks both sides are playing the same game. Progressives don’t support corrupt leaders. MTG does.
Then who is supporting Nancy Pelosi?
Quip aside, let’s bring on the sunlight.
Sunlight? With this global warming? Are you nuts???
Honestly don’t know anyone that likes Pelosi.
I don’t know why anyone likes neoliberals.
She’s a model one.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/16/nancy-pelosi-federal-lawmakers-should-be-able-to-trade-stock.html
I vote blue with my nose held as always for harm reduction, but neoliberals like Pelosi are why so many actual leftwing people that want a society walked away, they have no party that isnt enthusiastically part of the root problem of maintaining crony market capitalism at society’s catastrophic expense.
I guess they just want to be in charge for no other reason? Not really sure what their game is, but they’ll follow the money to get elected and then do what their donors wanted them to do. Then??? I’m not really understanding what they have to gain other than insider information.
Then???
Profit. That’s pretty much it. Why does anyone seek excess power in a capitalist society? Personal wealth gain. That insider info allows them to make their winning stock trades, and the “perks” they receive from their high offices (think private jet travel, free meals, tickets to events, etc) ensure that their expenses are kept at a minimum. Their lavish lifestyles while we struggle, and the fact that they could help resolve society’s problems yet don’t to keep the status quo, is the epitome of “fuck you, I got mine.”
I don’t really understand how it’s a lavish lifestyle if you have to hang out with a bunch of politicians and business people all the time. That sounds like pure hell to me. Like you’re going to hang out with the vice president of East Coast sales for some manufacturing company or some shit, no thanks.
Yeah but some people get off on it, like that being in the company of the rich and powerful increases their social stock (in their own insular world), and some thrive on that type of stuff.
It’s like that movie, The Mask (and it’s like that for the rest of us, too): the more times you put it on and the longer you wear it, the more you meld into it and the mask into you.
I think that’s partially why the well connected and famous billionaires are such miserable assholes. Their lives really aren’t that great because they’re all uninteresting losers surrounded by uninteresting losers who sold their souls for money and power and spend decades between having any moments of real joy.
Are you American?
I only ask because Americans are trained from birth to know (through for profit media and oligarch captured public education) that money is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and end, and the very meaning of existence and life itself as its own end.
It’s why we’re a bunch of rugged individuals competing against one another for oligarch scraps and not a society. It’s the wedge that informs all others to keep their exploited capital batteries at war with each other instead of looking up at the greedy bastards running up their ego scores by burning us.
Yeah, but I don’t really care what other people think of me, so I don’t feel the need to have to have a ton of money just to impress other people. Though having more money is always helpful just to make things easier in life. I’d be much happier if I didn’t have to worry about paying for things like healthcare and education.
Yeah, but I don’t really care what other people think of me, so I don’t feel the need to have to have a ton of money just to impress other people.
I’m sure most of these politicians also don’t care what other people think of them which is why it’s so easy for them to do all this vile shit and stand in front of a national audience telling complete lies with a straight face. They aren’t doing it to gain approval from other people, they’re doing it because they’re following their own concept of what an impressive person does.
Congratulations, you bucked the overwhelming norm. People who make it to Congress, with the exception of spoilers, have proven to their respective parties through state elections that they love money, don’t get bored of getting moar money, and know how to get it. That’s how you get promoted in the parties. It’s all they care about.
Because our values are so far beyond fucked it’s almost funny in an absurdist humor kind of way.
She’s as corrupt as they come, she just hides it behind a different type of veneer.
She’s not the best, but she’s not the worst. Her biggest crime is what, using insider knowledge to trade stocks?
It’s not like she gave a list of our spies to the Russians. Or likely sold classified documents. She didn’t betray our allies. (Do I mean the Ukrainians, the Afghanis, or the Kurds?)
She was miles better than Manchin or McConnell. She wasn’t our best, but she sure as hell wasn’t a Republican. She got vilified primarily because she was a prominent Democrat for years. And it stuck because there was more than zero legitimacy.
They vilified her so much that some douchebag went after her and her husband with a hammer. There’s a reason they didn’t go after Manchin or Sinema or Menendez or McConnell or Gaetz.
She’s better than the bar republicans set, which is so low it’s on the ground. Doesn’t mean she’s good.
I can tell you, that i truly and honestly think that Nancy Pelosi is the greatest! She’s never wrong about anything, and I’m totally not eating my own vomit as i type this!
Ugh… I don’t really want to be that guy, but she was well liked when she was first in office. In fact, I dare say she was cool once when she advocated for more AIDS support in the late 80s and pissed off Reagan, which is always good. But that was around when I was born, haha.
Unfortunately House seats rarely see competition, and I’m certain she grew complacent with age. Almost 40 fucking years, oof.
I was speaking in present tense, not past tense.
And yet here she is wielding enormous power.
She has famously had an abysmal approval rate nationwide, but she gets more votes than her opponents so she gets to keep her seat.
Like Mitch McConnell, MTG, Lauren Boebert, or Matt Gaetz.
I’m convinced that at this point, people are just voting on familiarity
Alright. I’m going to run for office. But quick, I’m going to change my name to Tom Batman Hanks.
Absolutely. R’s count on this.
In my state, they’ve tried running the weatherman for Senate. Not dog catcher or school board, SENATE. NATIONAL, not state.
There’s a reason Dr. Oz and Herschel Walker were both running in 2022.
The reds here in Arizona have run ex-news-reader Kari Lake 3 times and lost all 3.
…let her keep running then. Seems like an easy win. Even if she wins her 4th run, it was still a net positive for the democrats. She lost 3 times, and won 1 time. That’s a +2 for democrats.
Seems to be how Trump is assembling his cabinet, too.
Nah, he’s just going down the checklist of
Project 2025some manuscript he’s never heard of
I like Pelosi, mostly cherry Pelosi. I’ll usually go for Coke or Dr. Pepper, but soda is soda and Pelosi is soda.
“Yeah, I’ll take a Cortez”.
“Is Pelosi okay?”.
“Ugh, have a Sanders”.
“No, all out”.
“Okay, I’ll take a Pelosi”.I had a chem teacher in highschool that loved “Pelosi.” He never drank coffee, just 2-3 cans of, as he put it, “cola joy.”
He was the kinda teacher that if you didn’t understand something and asked questions, he’d say the exact same thing, only SLOWER and LOUDER. I hated chemistry until i got to college and met real teachers, and I’ve hated “Pelosi” since.
This is funny because an “elder statesperson” is valuable because they’ve been in the room for allllll the dirt, over decades. They are a walking blackmail bomb and are tolerated because they can call in “favors” when compromise is really really needed.
Edit whoever downvoted this, care to comment? If you think this was a “yay pelosi” comment you’re wrong.
Hi. Not the downvoter, but I’ll weigh in. I get single downvotes on a lot of my comments. Comments that I can’t see a single reason TO downvote. One time somebody was a single downvote to me say “what?” after a guy went on a long long rant that didn’t say anything of value.
The point is, on Lemmy, I’m convinced there’s a single guy, who just goes around downvoting EVERYTHING. Because I notice the trend isn’t just MY posts. It’s all over Lemmy.
So somewhere, out there in the world, is one guy, in what I assume is a dirty trailer, just downvoting everything, because he’s miserable.
Haha love it. It must be the ass pennies guy
walks up, pays with card, leaves as he has a meltdown while I’m confused what’s wrong with him
I’ve heard that some apps may make it a little too easy for some users to accidentally up/down vote without realizing. I’ve definitely caught a few accidental votes myself, so I’m not sure how many more I didn’t notice. Also, totally random anecdote, but the pockets in my “house pants” have a weird fabric that combined with the on body detection to keep my phone unlocked sometimes allows my thighs to “butt dial” if I put my phone in my pocket with the screen facing my body, and I’m sure other people have similar stories about accidental inputs, so I wouldn’t worry about it too much.
Then who is supporting Nancy Pelosi?
Still not progressives… :)
Magic the Gathering supports a lot of things. I don’t know if it supports this; I’ll ask.
Or it reveals an intention by the republicans to release a flood of bad faith ethics reports on Democrats
Oh no, republicans released the kraken.
Oh wait, nevermind, it looks like trump just scribbled with some crayon. And the occasional sharpie
Fucking do it.
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Marjorie Taylor Greene may yet be our Gollum.
What a hilarious way to put it
The amount of cognitive dissonance I got from reading something MTG said that I actually agree with was nuts
Don’t feel that way. Take this as observing your opponent taking a misstep. This is an opening.
I feel you. I have this new super bitch of a boss, but she wore cute pants one day in September and it left me conflicted. I’m still pissed off about it.
As in the pants were cute or she was cute in them cuz it’s completely okay to like a pair of pants and not enjoy the person who’s in them.
Once a pants is associated with a bad ass you might struggle to separate the art from the artist.
People do it with Tom Cruise all the time …
The pants were cute. I hate her so much i can’t see anything attractive about her.
Them pants tho
How dare she!
Focus on that pain and it will lead to enlightenment.
Her arrival at the correct answer was done through a series of mental lapses, poor judgements and terrible ideas that plopped her exactly where she should be. Like watching an episode of Mr Magoo.
Bruh I literally just told my husband “Fuck MTG for saying something that makes me agree with MTG!” due to this story.
Ill recover if Congress actually takes her up on it though.
You leave Magic the Gathering out of this!
I read her comment and instantly thought “Wait… am I on the wrong side of this issue?” Now I’m wondering who she filed against.
MTG: “Isn’t everyone in congress raping children?”
Did she stumble into a coherent thought?
Its actually clever. When the repubs block the release of the reports she will claim the dems balked at releasing the reports because they are the dirty ones.
How many of these ethics reports even really exist? Gaetz existed I thought because he was under investigation for his crimes and they said if he dropped out it would be sealed.
Do they actually have reports for everyone? If so that’s great, but I can’t imagine they were actually investigating every person in the same manner.
