“To the Feds, I’ll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn’t working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”
Post got removed in .world for not being a “news source” even though Klippenstein is definitely a very established independent journalist, so trying again here I guess.
Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty
This is either disinformation or whatever asshole wrote this doesn’t know US history.
You can still see the scars in the JP Morgan building in wall street from the horse drawn carriage bomb that was set against those greedy corporate assholes after the arrest of Sacco and Vanzetti in 1920
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_bombing
We have a long history of defending against their violence
Against the healthcare insurance industry?
I mean if you want to get extremely specific then, maybe. I would be surprised if this was the first defensive violent action against the private healthcare industry.
That would make a good article, to document this history…
1920? A horse drawn carriage bomb lol. Surely and clearly he was talking about modern day. Dudes 26, been remotely conscious for like 15 years maybe, people have grown complacent.
People are no more complacent in 2024 than they were in 1920. One major difference, however, is greater concentration of wealth and news outlets.
We used to have hundreds of anarchist newspapers in circulation. When was the last time you read an article written in your local anarchist newspaper?
We still have leftist collectives and many produce articles, podcasts, films, etc. But I think its harder to come across it today than when news was printed on physical paper
One major difference, however, is greater concentration of wealth and news outlets.
Yes. There’s exponentially higher levels of exposure to brainwashing propaganda in 2024 vs. 1920, to unsafe levels of consumption.
He acknowledges that work in the writing, saying that there are others that who had laid out the arguments about class conflict better than him. The “facing it with brutal honesty” he was referring to was shooting a CEO in the street. Not writing anarchist newspapers and starting leftist collectives. And again, his perspective is clearly from the last decade or two when this kind of action is happening even less in the U.S.
Are you not familiar with Alexander Berkman? Learn your history.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Berkman#Attentat:_Frick_assassination_attempt
Maybe if you were reading your anarchist monthly, you’d be more familiar with historic and recent actions that use nonviolent and violent tactics to defend the working class from the violent oppression of the oligarchs.
Find your local anarchist bookstore. Read their books.
1891??? You’re grasping at straws and ignoring my comments.
I can definitely see why someone not as well versed in anarchist history could believe that, or if they specifically meant against the insurance industry. Either way though, I think it’s important for people to know about that history of violence that led to meaningful social reforms. So many Americans think that workers rights, civil rights, and everything short of the
abolishmentrebranding of slavery was won through voting or peaceful protests.Too many people believe that somehow a state has some divine morality granted to it, and justice can only happen within the confines of said state. No moral act can be carried out without the government sanctioning it, and any miscarriage of justice by the state is an abnormality.
There may be a monopoly on violence held by states against their people, but this doesn’t give them some inherent right to be the ultimate arbiters of justice. Something being legal does not make it moral, and just because an act is illegal doesn’t make it immoral.
Something being legal does not make it moral, and just because an act is illegal doesn’t make it immoral.
Well said
Is that 3 or 250 page copy?
Asking for a friend.
I have a weird feeling they are making this shit up as they go.
The info drip drives us where they want us talking at every turn.
Nobody is talking about the dead parasite or the corruption. I think they are looking for this to blow over.
Job is done, back to work peasants you got premiums to pay. Don’t ya?
The reporting I saw stated it was a 250-some-odd WORD manifesto, not pages.
Ty… I could have mis read. Did anyone else see pages?
I’ve only seen 250 words stated. But all of those people could have been referencing the same incorrect source.
286, same as the amount of people he was following on twitter, distance the McDonald’s was from the scene, and the Pokémon index id of the one in his Twitter banner.
Proverb 28:6
Better is a poor man who walks in his integrity than a rich man who is crooked in his ways.
The furthest two points in Altoona and NYC are no more than 240 mi apart.
McDs to Hilton Dt Manhatten gives me 283, guess its one of the other McDs though
Luigi 1:7
Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming.
I guess it depends on how you count…
262 words here:
https://www.tmz.com/2024/12/10/luigi-mangione-manifesto-revealed/
Also 262 words:
https://www.mediaite.com/crime/heres-the-brief-manifesto-luigi-mangione-addressed-to-the-feds/
Using your methodology, Proverbs 26:2
As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse causeless shall not come.
Hmm… I never did like the King James version.
https://morningstarinfosys.com/proverbs/
As the sparrow escapes, and the swallow flies away, so the undeserved curse will never hit its mark.
You’re really having this conversation here…
… while simultaneously being part of the mod team that bans this source and topic in all the .world instances you moderate?
The link was removed from politics because a) we don’t allow blog posts, substack or otherwise and 2) It’s not political, it’s criminal. Belongs in News.
It was removed from World News because World News explicitly bars internal US News, which this is. World News exists to give news from other countries room to breathe.
I mean at this point it’s whatever, but I did post it in News originally. It got removed for not being a “reputable news source” based on the modlog, but the current post about it in the same community is from Gizmodo, which is fine, but the only source they have for the manifesto is literally this link.
I get that it’s on a substack, but just because a journalist publishes using substack and not some other web template (even though the site is their own URL, and the author is an independent journalist who worked at several fairly well known news orgs) doesn’t mean it’s not reputable. It just feels very arbitrary.
Also you guys clearly don’t seem to ban substack, since there are multiple posts currently up that have been posted a day ago in one case, and 16 hours ago in the other, one of which is literally also from ken klippenstein. So why is it fine sometimes but not othertimes? I don’t necessarily have an issue with a broad ban of any substack link (even though I personally think that would be kinda dumb), but that fact that it’s so inconsistently enforced isn’t good.
The problem with Substack, or Medium, or Blogger or any other blog site is that anyone can post anything. It’s not a news platform.
Rather than go through each blog and go “OK, who is THIS guy? What’s their deal?” we just go “Yeah, no.”
Allowing some but not others would be an even BIGGER headache, because then it’s clear Substack is fine for one person but not another.
Oh I was assuming based on all the other stuff.
Luigi Mangione had 286 Tweets
He posted a photo of the 286th Pokémon
His cousin follows 286 people on Twitter
The “denial code” 286 is when the appeal time limits for a healthcare claim are not met
He was caught at a McDonalds "286 miles away”
Seems odd to plan all that and stop 2 dozen words short.
That youtube video suggested DEC 11 something.
Also 286 preverbs also got a zinger message
I guess all of this could be a coincidence every high attention event generally some weird number and pattern. I am starting to think that if you look close enough there is always one.
86’d the CEO
Making it up? Lemme tell you a secret:
If you want to fight this the easiest way is to blow the man up into legend status. Create a martyr. Play their game. Imo at least.
I am starting to lose faith that Luigi is the Adjuster tbh
Media is working too hard to protray Luigi as him but so far if we look at verifable facts:
- parasites gets done in NYC
- five days letter they apprehend a young man in PA
- Who happens to have the entire conviction start park on his person (could easily be planted by them) along with that YouTube video which they could have easily done to spice things ip Up
- he has been missing for a few weeks allegedly and has had health issues (this part is where they set him up so viable lead)
But where is the evidence that he actually did the job?
Couldn’t help but notice you in several threads doubting everything. Don’t think you ever bought any of it. You sound conspiratorial
It’s attracted all the nutters unfortunately.
Yeah this just sounds batshit
I don’t know what’s so suspicious. The manifesto’s pretty clear and* to the point and what I’d expect. Certainly not what I’d expect some leech to make up to make him look crazy.
Strong point it is pretty direct and to the point. Apparently reddit suppressing it.
I am not sure why even try, this the hotest piece of text content released in decades or century
If he posted under his Twitter account, he would prolly hit 10millie subs within few days lol
Eh, it’s really not all that exciting. It’s more a note to police with a brief motive outline than a manifesto. That’s not a diss. With the words on the casings the act was manifesto in and of itself. In fact I think this gives a much smaller character attack surface than a long rambling manifesto could.
This sounds like a written confession or statement to the police, after he’s already in police custody. Not a “manifesto”, which is something justifying your actions to the public and done before carrying out whatever it is.
I’m not buying any of this. Someone who went to so much trouble planning, executing, and getting away without a trace, isn’t going to go out in public with a bunch of incriminating items on their person. The NYPD probably just picked this tip out of the thousands they got, and are making things fit after the fact.
I don’t know why it’s so hard to believe. Of course the weight of US law enforcement was focused on one murder because it was a CEO. He didn’t get away without a trace, pictures of his face were everywhere. His path was traced from Atlanta to Pennsylvania. Why is it so hard to believe that he had incriminating evidence on him? For all we know, he might be on his way to whack another CEO. Wasn’t his last known address in Hawaii? He might have just been passing through Pennsylvania and had all his travel stuff with him. Once he realized the manhunt was closing in, he might have felt the need to write the justification with the hopes that the average American would read it and see him as a hero.
We still know so little about this whole situation. There’s just no reason to jump to conspiracy.
I really find it to be quite absurd that people are still thinking this isn’t the guy. This is probably the guy. My basis for that is basically just that the shooter had a 200 dollar peak design redditor backpack and a uniqlo packable jacket when he shot that guy, and those are both heavily techbro-coded fashion items. That’s on top of all the internet history of this specific guy pretty much indicating that he’s the guy. Back problems, leading to a several month long disappearance, after he turns 26, and is no longer on his parent’s healthcare plan.
We can also look at it through the lens of just the assassination attempt itself. The news is saying they found either a 3d printed gun, or more commonly, a ghost gun (which I have not been able to find a consistent account of). In either case, that involves buying a mostly unregulated firearm upper, and then either finishing an “80%” pre-assembled lower with a drill press, or probably even a regular cordless drill, or just wholesale printing the entire lower of the gun yourself. Both of those, are also techbro-coded methods of obtaining a firearm. Compared to just buying a somewhat common firearm in a state where it’s pretty easy to get a gun a couple months before, and then shaving the serial numbers off the gun, or just getting a gun off the black market, or stealing one from someone, which all seem maybe easier than going the ghost gun route.
In the video itself, we see him struggle to cycle the gun manually, due what is probably a combination of using subsonic ammunition, and his suppressor, which I’m assuming did not have a nielsen device, or, a booster. Those are devices that are meant to help browning-style tilting barrel designs cycle much more reliably. They also tend to cycle less reliably with heavier baffled suppressors compared to much lighter, quieter, disposable, and easier to produce wipe-based suppressors.
His research and meticulously planned operation also consisted of shooting this guy in the back, in front of a camera, while this guy walked to his hotel. That’s a plan that has a high percentage chance of success, it’s the same way that you’d see many mob hits happen, but does it strike me as something which is particularly complicated or out of character for this guy, if he had a couple months to cook something up?
Based on the entire description of that chain of events, that would probably indicate that this is a somebody that’s had some amount of preparation but wasn’t some kind of professional or overwhelming genius. It could be the case that they dug around online for thirty minutes, happened to find a guy that had both disappeared for a couple months, had medical problems, was a little bit more conspiratorial, or rather, had incoherent politics, and would be the kind of guy who would dress in a peak design backpack and in a uniqlo jacket, and was ALSO a guy which was exiting new york at that time via bus. They would then have to plant evidence on him, which cops are known to do, but that’s all, legitimately, entirely possible. Is it more likely than this being the guy, based on everything we’ve seen from the video?
I would say no, probably not, this is probably the guy.
My basis for that is basically just that the shooter had a 200 dollar peak design redditor backpack and a uniqlo packable jacket when he shot that guy, and those are both heavily techbro-coded fashion items. That’s on top of all the internet history of this specific guy pretty much indicating that he’s the guy. Back problems, leading to a several month long disappearance, after he turns 26, and is no longer on his parent’s healthcare plan.
The number of black-haired white guys who wear this clothing, are interested in tech, had health problems, and have been screwed over by insurance companies isn’t a small number. There’s probably thousands of them in any given US city.
You are doing the thing where the media is all pointing at a single person, and trying to convict them based on non-material-evidence factors: clothing, blurry pictures, ideology, “motivation”, etc. None of those things link this person to the crime scene. If they showed you all the other tips and candidates they’ve gotten in the past week that fit the bill, I doubt you’d be so sure.
I say all that in my comment, but, it’s not just that this guy is a techbro, there are some other factors that make it so he’s probably guy. With those, I just think that it’s probably more likely that this is the guy, than that it isn’t. I don’t really see a need to theorize that this isn’t the guy based on how the guy in the video is some sort of crazy criminal mastermind, when he also hits up a starbucks right before, as well as a bunch of other evidence in the video itself that this is probably a somewhat average, if maybe uncommon, guy. i.e. it easily could just be a techbro.
From what the news has told us, which is really all we have, this guy fits the bill pretty solidly. We’ll see with the dna, ballistics, and fingerprint, but we also know that’s historically not really conclusive evidence either. The best you could do is that this guy fits the specific timeline, which we’ve heard less about relative to everything else, though from what we have heard, he does seem to fit pretty well. This entire issue, the issue of being able to conclusively tell who’s done a crime at what time, that’s part of why the justice system needs reform, because it’s very likely that you could just get this all wrong. I can acknowledge that reality, and also acknowledge that, based on what is publicly available so far, this guy is probably the guy.
I dunno, the idea that this random guy, who’s reading and posting shit about the unabomber’s manifesto on his goodreads, and happened to be passing through new york via hostel and then greyhound at this time, is just some random guy, I dunno. With modern social media, I think we really start to strain credibility that this isn’t the guy. You would have to have a very convenient fall guy for that to be the case. It probably would’ve been easier to just catch any random schizo techbro inside of new york and then throw a gun and prewritten manifesto at that guy, to be honest, if the nypd or fbi just wanted some random dude to bag and throw away to pretend like they’re capable. Like you said, you could find them by the thousands.
You are doing the thing where the media is all pointing at a single person, and trying to convict them based on non-material-evidence factors: clothing, blurry pictures, ideology, “motivation”, etc. None of those things link this person to the crime scene.
Remember folks the state has to convince the jury and the public he pulled the triggered.
They have provided nothing to link him to the scene of the crime besides fake news headlines.
Trust me bro, he did it!
Well put. A lot of people have built this guy up as a criminal mastermind, and his arrest pokes a giant hole through that.
I really find it to be quite absurd that people are still thinking this isn’t the guy
This guy doesn’t know about jury nullification.
The crazy part about jury nullification is that if I was someone who was wanting to engage in it I probably wouldn’t be posting my opinions about the case online in a public fashion because that could easily be used as something to dismiss me from the case. That’s like a step away from bringing it up to the judge in the courtroom. They’re probably already gonna select a bunch of random boomers who have no idea what’s going on to comprise the jury anyways, since they can just do that if they want to, in the same way that the jury can just decide someone’s guilty or not. So that whole conversation is kind of moot.
It’s really sad that this has attracted the nutcase community.
Like the story somehow isn’t wild enough, people are hopping on some crazy narrative about his eyebrows.
Very sad.
If the eyebrows are not split, you must acquit!
The conspiracy theorists fall for the same falacy that they accuse the media and cops of doing: That it’s only interesting because the victim was a CEO.
If this has been any other shooting, they wouldn’t be theorizing about the “message” or reasoning in his manifest. Every fucking murderer has a message or believes in a reason to do what they do.
Until the proven killer has confessed and stated an actual message, the whole thing is entirely made up by people who want to align the story to their own interest.
Yeah, it’s been really crazy. People have been trueanoning on this one just like people did with the trump shooting, even though that one was obviously also a pretty clear cut case. I think partially, it’s because people are wanting to be half-funny, and are basically just iterating on the joke of “oh, I saw him at bible study at the time! that couldn’t have been him!” and then sharing photo edits, right.
I think part of it is that everyone has been trained by true crime and fiction to think of all of these events as though they’re living in a tom clancy book, or something. They’re enraptured by the spectacularization of this event, and of all of the past of history, enraptured by the transformation of this event into a spectacle, so they get the feeling that, oh, oooh, something’s off, but I just can’t tell what. It always has to be some sort of increasingly more dramatic escalation, until there’s some sort of release of tension, because that’s how things work in fiction. In fiction, a guy isn’t allowed to just pull off a hit on a random unprotected CEO, ride his bike to central park, leave a backpack full of monopoly cash because he’s kind of cracked, get on a bus, and then go to a shithole in pennsylvania and then get busted over a mcdonald’s hash brown. That shit doesn’t happen in fiction, so it’s not allowed to happen in real life.
I think part of it is also some sort of idiot idea about, somehow, if they just question the narrative on this enough, it will cause the guy to be innocent, somehow just them being conspiratorial on social media will cause that if they cook on it hard enough.
Most of all, though, I think it’s sort of this desire to have the guy who shot that CEO get away, or be a different guy because, in the mind of your average person, that guy is some agent 47 super CEO hitman, that’s going to liberate us brokies from our shitty healthcare problems, when obviously that’s kind of a delusional escapist fantasy.
Basically, none of this is allowed to be actually real. This isn’t a real event, in the mind of your average person. This is a media event, it’s being treated like one. Much like that, you can cook up fanfictions, but it doesn’t change the base media product, and you have to know that you can’t do anything to affect the thing itself, it’s set in stone and it’s unchangeable and it’s totally ethereal and out of your grasp.
That’s sort of partially why I think this isn’t going to change anything, and, though I think maybe a repeat might happen, I’m not holding my breath. Because while everyone can recognize the problem, everyone, in classic american style, wants some superman to come and save them, and is willing to do nothing, or put anything on the line, in order to really save themselves or others.
well said
I had a similar vibe but can’t quite put my finger on it though.
To the Feds,
This intro just does not feel right, He sounds like fedi/reddit poster with that intro. I have not seen a lot of his social media post but he did not have that tone in his posts, at least not public ones.
There people around fedi who I can see saying it though lol. As if he feds, searched online on how to sound like a plausible corpo hater. “parasite” is also a nice touch, I see that shit daily on here…
Also, why the fuck would this man give two fucks to discuss the tool for the job. I was on the fence but I am not longer buying it is his work or if he even did it.
In country with 330m people, there must have reviewed many fact patterns that could have fit like glove purely from mathematically probably. His disappearing is likely made him an easy target, now it is on him to account for his where abouts.
He sounds like fedi/reddit poster with that intro
yeah but his public writings don’t have the anti cap terminology laced in it like here.
there specific groups of people in various subs who use termnology like feds and parasite the was it was used although this shit is now main stream discourse. talk about taking the disucssion mainstream
I don’t think he’s “anti cap” he seems to have problems with certain industries (notice he mentions Alphabet and Walmart but doesn’t criticize them). Also this writing honestly seems very in character for him (see the goodreads review).
I dont want to get my hopes up. I think dude may just be tired and hurt, ready to be done.
I’ve seen a lot of folks posting FBI setup but, what about a glory seeker? Someone who was like damn, I look like that dude, and got his shit together to go “be found”. Been plenty of copy cats and false confessions for all kinds of crazy crimes in the past.
That’s also viable theory.
TBH I am just NOT buying how they are working OT clearly providing all evidence a stupid peasant would need to feel confidently wrong
They have no proven even close Luigi did it.
They need to do that. I can see an ideologically aligned person try to fuck with feds to keep the party goitngz which is much balls the original job.
Either government has the burde of proof and then running a smear campaign is planting seed of doubts esp since these clowns have done this trick before
We tracking their lies real time now
There does seem to be inconsistency between the shooter meticulously planning things out and then this guy conveniently popping up at a McDonalds with all the gear and confessing. Seems like the first thing you’d do would be to ditch the gun and the silencer. If the gun was 3d printed, he could’ve literally just melted it down. On the flip side, if he wanted to get caught then he didn’t have to do all this complex planning and could’ve just stayed at the scene and surrendered.
Yep, the cops and US news are trying to get everyone to ignore all these glaring inconstencies.
They fucked up, let the guy slip through their fingers, and now are trying to do damage control.
Exactly, it’s a high profile case and it makes the ruling class uncomfortable if it goes unsolved.
So you’re telling me the real guy is out in the wild /and/ some Ivy League nepo baby is going to get fried? Sounds good to me
If he could so easily get 4 fake ids, he would’ve 100% disposed of any linking him to the crime.
yeah like none of this makes sense
Very much agree on the fact this is no way a manifesto and shame on all the news outlets using such a clickbaity word.
I think it’s real. Though, it is kinda suspicious they were able to respond so fast to a McDonald’s tip; could’ve been parallel construction.
He also wrote this apparently. Unless it’s fake. I’m having trouble verifying it.
That one has a few things about it that make it suspect. No way to definitively say it’s fake obviously, but stuff like the drive to the Aquarium, which would presumably be from Maryland to California, so like 40 hours straight worth of driving, being done by someone who had a bad back seems at least kinda unlikely. Like I said it’s not impossible it came from him, but I’d treat it as unlikely personally.
A lot of people are having trouble verifying it. I’m personally considering it fake until proven otherwise.
Would be super interested if anyone has a bead on the first share, 'cause it’s everywhere now.
Damn Gen Z kids can’t even write a full page manifesto anymore smdh
/s
ChatGPT, write me a manifesto
📎 Looks like you’re writing a manifesto, would you like some suggestions?
Actually I was just writing a letter to my sister you fucking crazy paperclip.
And, clippy, do you really need that M16?
Not even a whole book like they used to. SHM My Head.
Shaking head my my head?
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What’s funny about this? Its just confusing
The humor is mostly referential. Guess you just had to be there
IKR, right? It’s just redundancy for its own sake.
or type initialisms
This guy is a reminder that health is the most important thing in life. He lost his health which led him to lose it all.
He lost it all because of capitalism.
He lost it all because of ISM.
he also had it all DUE TO CAPITALISM
With that being said, we don’t don’t get to pick our heros, they come as they. His work is what I judge him on.
We don’t chose our family background. Many times class war leaders are part of the elites themselves but but at some point they see the reality and switch teams.
FDR was a disabled and I always assumed that his condition forced him to see the suffering of the working class so he sided with them. No peasant would ever be able to do what he did. He was the elite.
I see a lot of leftist political whores try to smear him based on his class… it is disgusting.
Tells you all you need to know about what sort of leftist they are.
he also had it all DUE TO CAPITALISM
As far as I’m aware he was not part of the owning class, he just had a good paying job, that does not make him a benefactor of capitalism.
I see a lot of leftist political whores try to smear him based on his class…
Says the person who brought his class up… 🤔
Look, I’m not trying to have a go, but honestly this is completely derailing from my point - health is not a virtue, nor is it in our control (despite what abled people love to believe), and being in ill health and or becoming disabled is only “losing it all” because of capitalism and abled supremacy, NOT because sick and disabled people’s lives no longer have value (which is what the original comment implies).
As far as I’m aware he was not part of the owning class,
His family owns income producing businessES. He has the background. I am not sure if he personally had access to the wealth though.
Says the person who brought his class up…
Check fake TV talking heads covering him, Cuamo, Shapiro, Fox News etc. Also there comment on lemmy suggesting similar. My comment was addressing that sentiment.
Check fake TV talking heads covering him, Cuamo, Shapiro, Fox News etc
Oh right, those leftists lmfao…
I have my reservations about the klippenstein’s, but if he has the manifesto, why not post a scanned copy?
What reservations please? Not aware…
the Klippensteins? there’s only Ken…
[edit: I assume that] It was leaked as a transcription.
Otherwise there would be a scan and we would all be debating what the unintelligible words/passages are based on their appearance. People would be trying AI to decode it. (Likely, unsuccessfully)
Sounds like fanfic. If he can’t verify the authenticity then he lost all credibility
Thet trickled f ew lines a bit before it got dropped by him.
Watching whoever that dumb fuck who isn’t Jon Stewart latch on ONE LINE of this and mock him for being “not qualified” was the most pathetic showing of former satirical programming just being state propaganda i’ve seen in at least 4 days.
Sounds like a fake “confession” he was corrected into signing to me.
I think the word was coerced and got corrected to corrected. Just a heads up! Also agree with you.
To the Feds, I’ll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country.
Interesting to point this out. This seems more like a liberal radicalized out of circumstance than a Marxist or Anarchist. I wonder what his course would have looked like had he channeled his energy into organizing and reading theory, would he have made the same decisions, or not?
You know… as common as it is to label and group and classify people online, I just don’t think that generally works the vast majority of the time.
Usually people acting for ideological reasons have ideological motivations.
Yeah based on his goodreads and other social media he’s definitely more of US style Libertarian or conservative. He tweeted some stuff about wokeness and DEI, some of the new athiesm junk about how athiests replace Christianity with worship of social issues, and seemed to like Elon Musk. He also didn’t seem to be fully committed to the ideology though, he had real criticisms of Jordan Peterson and he seemed to be an environmentalist. He honestly just kinda seems like a normal, if privileged, person. He has a mix of political ideas, some which don’t necessarily mesh, and is willing to criticize some of the people he agrees with.
But if anything him being someone who seemed to like CEOs, who grew up pretty wealthy, being radicalized by the industry is kinda a stronger message about how unless you’re one of the corporate elite you don’t matter to them.
Very few people fit neatly into a political label. We tend to be all over the place on political issues.
Yes and no. Among leftists, most do fit into fairly neat labels, because leftist ideology is that of consistent frameworks. Among liberals, there doesn’t need to be as much consistency because its the status quo and doesn’t need to be consistent ideologically.
Not many people are pure leftists though. We all have our inherent biases based on things like social class, upbringing, religion, nationality, etc. Just because a consistent framework is there doesn’t mean people just fit so well into it.
The frameworks are consistent and have “correct” conclusions, which means over time individual biases erode into established tendencies.
Rarely. Humans can be very inconsistent due to their inherent biases and emotions. If what you say were true we would have been able to observe it take place by now.
We can and do, that’s why tendencies are well established.
It’s important to distinguish within a political philosophy the normative values that inform it and the actual strategy, if any, that it prescribes. Especially on the left, there is an extremely large amount of common ground with respect to normative values, and what distinguishes the different tendencies almost always boils down to little more than arguing about why the other person’s strategy will actually not work and why their strategy is what we need to be doing. But like something else I notice is very rarely do people actually engage with the context of situations and they also think in very absolute terms which makes them feel like by identifying with a particular tendency they are attached to and constrained by it. What’s even more interesting to me is this common ground doesn’t even end at the left and quite frankly even the average politically disengaged individual will agree with so many of the normative values expressed by leftists, and with a thoughtful rhetorical approach can usually be made to see all of these issues for what they are.
this is all to say that the idea of being any particular kind of “-ist” in the sense that it means you can’t be also at the same time critically engaging with or even simultaneously identifying with other kinds of “-isms” has for a very long time felt extremely incoherent to me and even worse is when people try to project these labels with certainty (typically at the exclusion of other possible labels, no less, other labels which are simply assumed to be impossible to synthesize together) onto others on the basis of random public statements they have made.
That’s the funny thing about leftism being objectively logically and ethically correct. The framework of theory also consistently addresses those exact points and material conditions.
The left-right dichotomy is not about political philosophy, but attitudes towards the status quo and hierarchies.
Do you have resources expanding on this? Beyond the communist manifesto?
61·23 hours agoCowbee has an intro reading list: https://lemmy.ml/post/22417306
The anarchist library is pretty good if you’re interested in anarchist theory.
The FAQ is a great starting point, I’d recommend jumping around though, it’s easier to get specific answers than reading straight through imo.
The librarian picks would also probably be a good place to look, one of the recommendations there is Emma Goldman who is great.
I think it’s also the fact that there tends to be a ton of specific labels for different leftist subgroups too, stuff like anarcho-mutualism is similar but not the same as syndicalism, or blanket libertarian socialism, etc. That and the fact that most people will self identify as one of the moderate labels like conservative or centrist or liberal, and do so in spite of their beliefs, not because of them. People who reflect enough on their ideas and desired policies will tend to be a bit more consistent about them and the labels they use to describe them.
Spoken like an OG D&D player 🤌🏼
Funnily enough my only exposure to D&D was from Baldurs Gate 3. I’ll take it as a compliment though.
Definitely yeah, stuff like the political compass have been awful for nuance in discussions.
US neo libertarians are taught by the Koch brothers to despise all government regulation and enforcement agencies, except those that keep poor people from taking rich people’s money
Just exactly how is this a “manifesto?”
a written statement declaring publicly the intentions, motives, or views of its issuer
They are framing him in the same camp as uncle Ted.
The issue I don’t think they realized that people might take it “the wrong” way haha
If this is really his letter, which I assuming it is since it is too level headed and direct, this can’t be good look for parasite class.
Mark my word the term “parasite” will modded going forward as a hate speech. I just feel the censorship and bans on all main stream socials with corporate advertisers at least.
Mark my word the term “parasite” will modded going forward as a hate speech
Please explain how you think a platform would explain this to their users.
CEOs are people to too, can’t name call them. It is a “slur”
Sounds pretty unlikely.
It is a speculation.
But in modern America difference between truth and conspiracy sometimes is merely 6 months.
Post got removed in .world for not being a “news source” even though Klippenstein is definitely a very established independent journalist,
Unsurprising from .world
Man, I signed up at world because it sounded like the most official one, but there’s so much fuckery constantly on this instance… I even donated at one point then stopped when they were trying to shut down instances talking about piracy. Wtf?
Come over to lemmy.zip :)
I’m glad their captcha was broken when I tried to sign up.
lemmy.ml is technically the most official instance, because it’s run by the developers themselves.
I’m on .ee am I missing things?
Probably not.
You can easily sign up at another instance and export / import your subscriptions and settings. The only thing you can’t transfer is your old posts, afaik.
My instance is great, the only issue I’ve ever had is that they don’t defederate from some of the more shitty instances. Based on what you’re talking about, you may appreciate that, though.
I guess I see the logic in simply blocking that on an app/browser level.
.world doesn’t allow journalism
Their allowed articles are “Israel expands defensive buffer zone in Syria”.
Top lol.
weird way to spell “invasion and occuption”…
That is literally a suicide note found on someone before he mustered the nerve.
I appreciate you posting this here. I had not read a manifesto yet that sounded like it was legitimately his. This one seems internally consistent at least, as if it was written by a real person. Can never be sure.
In this one, it seems there’s nothing for me to dislike, which makes me believe it was written by a real person, but even more cautious about believing it. I had, until now, only heard negative (from my pov) things about him. It is unusual for something like this to leak. The media tries it’s best to keep the lid on contagious ideas. (Another reason to be incredulous)
I expect the media will try to give both sides something to dislike about him, to discourage idolatry and imitation. Feels like some 1984/Brave New World style social engineering to me.
Interesting read. However this turns out, not a huge fan of .world removing it, similar to the centralized sites you’d expect to suppress stuff. Stopped following their news thread for this reason as I don’t need my information moderated- can do that myself.
