• 𝔼𝕩𝕦𝕤𝕚𝕒@lemmy.world
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    14 days ago

    You mean to tell me that going from the street to trial in less than a month, from what would normally be a single murder charge isn’t the normal way of things??

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      14 days ago

      He’s only made his plea. Yes, that part happens quickly.

      EDIT: Look at the upvotes on the parent comment. Y’all are really dumb enough to think this man is going to trial right now.

      It’s misinformation, it’s ignorance, it may even be a lie. Downvote this crap.

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        13 days ago

        thank you for having some sanity….
        i’m pro luigi, anti health industrialization… but yes obviously the doj will charge you for shooting someone.
        the terrorism charge is probably where the pressure went

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          13 days ago

          No, it’s not obvious. The DOJ rarely charges anybody with murder. It’s almost always charged under state law, in state courts. Sebastian Zapeta-Calil hasn’t been charged with a federal crime, and probably won’t be.

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                that’s not how it works….
                luigi, allegedly, traveled across state lines for the sole purpose of the killing, and immediately left the state.
                Zapeta-Calil was living in ny and committed a murder while he was there. He didn’t travel there just to burn someone… he was there already and did it….
                but god damn that’s a horrible way to die. the worst i can imagine except for some deliberately slow torture….

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                  13 days ago

                  That’s not unheard of in other cases, and the DOJ doesn’t charge the killer with federal murder charges. Rittenhouse, for example. The story here is that the DOJ did something unusual under pressure from corporate interests.

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    13 days ago

    it seems dangerous that they would explicitly name Lisa Monaco, Benjamin Mizer, and Elizabeth Prolegar as the corrupted DOJ people who support the health insurance cartel over the citizenry.

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    13 days ago

    There was a school shooting on the same day Thompson was killed. Without looking it up, can anyone name a single victim?

    I’m not saying I support murder, but I don’t understand why I should care more about his life than those who are objectively more innocent.

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      13 days ago

      We don’t care about his life either. It’s what he represents and how life goes on without him (possibly improved for people saved after execs have to fear for the policies they adapt).

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      14 days ago

      Nah he’s not a white collar criminal who destroyed the lives of millions.

      Biden might be willing to posthumously pardon Brian Thompson for his insider trading crimes though.

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      14 days ago

      Can he? Honest question. Can he pardon someone who hasnt actually been convicted of anything?

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          14 days ago

          accepting the pardon is an admission of guilt

          Logically and in the eyes of public opinion? Most likely. Legally, though? Nope

          You’re right about there being consequences, though: you can’t invoke your 5th amendment right against self-incrimination for a crime that you’ve been pardoned for.

          So technically being pardoned for the federal terrorism charge COULD make it more difficult for him to defend against the other charges, but I’m pretty sure that not even a NYC prosecutor can argue that the murder charge is independent of it…

          Moot point, though, since Joe Biden is as likely to pardon Luigi as he is to drop trou and smoke a joint with his ass during a WH press briefing.

  • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
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    13 days ago

    I’m shocked! Shocked I say!

    … Well, not that shocked.

    I mean, really, who didn’t see this one? It was pretty blatant. The fact that we have confirmed reports of it is nice, but c’mon.

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    15 days ago

    the top three DOJ officials under Attorney General Merrick Garland have all represented massive healthcare companies during their respective stints in private practice before joining the DOJ.

    Because of COURSE they did! 🤦🤬

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      13 days ago

      People keep conflating health care providers with the insurance companies which are in the health care denial business. These are not at all the same.

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        Lisa Monaco, the Deputy U.S. Attorney General previously worked as a partner at the law firm O’Melveny & Myers LLP. At O’Melveny & Myers, Monaco represented Humana–the fifth largest U.S. health insurance company–according to her financial disclosures. Notably, O’Melveny & Myers also successfully defended United Health in a suit brought by United health group insured patients earlier this year.

        Health “insurance” company, not provider.

        The number three at DOJ, Acting Associate AG Benjamin Mizer, also represented healthcare and pharmaceutical giant Sanofi-Aventis, among others firms.

        While not an insurance company, Sanofi-Aventis (now Sanofi) was provably corrupt and predatory on multiple occasions in multiple countries and was/is VERY much part of the same problem as United Health and the rest of the health insurance leech industry.

        Finally, #4 at DOJ, Solicitor General Elizabeth Prolegar, reported Lumos Pharma, Syneos Health, and Amgen, as former clients on her disclosure.

        Syneos have been sued for firing people who take family leave that they’re legally entitled to and Amgen pleaded guilty to guilty to improper marketing that put patients at risk

        In conclusion: while you’re technically right that only one of them worked for INSURANCE companies, they all worked for health sector companies that were and are part of the problem, so it’s a distinction without importance in this case.

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          13 days ago

          I’m not saying there isn’t a problem here. But we need to be a bit more precise in the language.

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      The club you are in it’s bigger though, they don’t want you to find out about it.

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          14 days ago

          The awareness is lovely to see.

          Interestingly enough I don’t think we’d have arrived here without COVID. It broke the routine, slowed the inertia, pushed self reflection.

          And it made the house of cards that is the healthcare system visible to all.

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            This also helps explain the Texas Lt. Governor’s (?) plea to, “Let all the old people die. We need to get the economy moving again.” Health Care Insurance Inc. doesn’t want to pay money to treat people if we can convince everyone its cheaper to let them die.

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            I agree completely.

            It also disproved the “once the crisis is big enough, everyone will hold hands and work together for the common good” myth that pro-establishment people used to trot out to mollify critics of the status quo.

            The people radicalized by a combination of the inequities of the status quo and the gaslighting of opportunistic far right politicians (who are of course themselves very much part of the establishment) didn’t suddenly set their collective delusions of self-sufficiency and their scapegoating of vulnerable people aside to help themselves and other people get through the pandemic as safely as possible. They only got WORSE.

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              On a local level, we really do see humans band together to overcome crises. But not everyone, not all the time. And on a national level, stopping the rich motherfuckers is a struggle that goes back millenia.

              Some people think that “progress will happen” as if it’s inevitable that society improves over time. But a quick glance at history proves otherwise.

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                14 days ago

                A quick glance at history also shows which methods are the most effective. Which is why we have had decades of conditioning to push us in the other direction, for strategies that are loud and easily ignored.

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    13 days ago

    I’ve heard people suggest that school shooters stop butchering our kids, and instead throw their lives away doing something useful that will have them remembered as heroes.