Cool, can we make the divest from American game studios now?
Of course it’s not a military company, it’s an espionage company.
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Yeah, okay.
Derogatory terms towards anyone will always get removed, have a good day.
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Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature, dude.
Oh but for some reason Floridaman is okay?
Touché
His racism was on full display, huh?
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giving you the benefit of the doubt like maybe english isn’t your first language, that word is considered a pejorative/slur in all modern usage
It’s never been anything but.
Naw, it was most commonly used as a term similar to “that chinese guy” which is easy to confuse with racism at a time period where people were generally racist towards the chinese, but the term itself is not racist. There were actual slurs back then they could use if they were about that.
My Grandmother said they always bought they’re vegetables growing up from the chinaman who rolled his cart through the alleyway behind their homes. It’s not a term of hate, but it’s easy to say hateful things alongside it.
The people going around loudly policing other people’s language do more harm to leftist causes than good.
How are you this dense?
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the wikipedia article on it cites two instances where it didn’t seem to be wayy back at the word’s inception. but yeah hardly matters in the grand scheme
You know, you can be critical of a government without using racist slurs against the people from that country. Not everyone from China is part of the CCP.
See?? Totally different!
Normally, espionage can collaborate with other branches of government, apart from the military.
Next you’ll tell me all those cheap Chinese routers would allow our very telecommunications infrastructure to be hacked unless we’re using end-to-end encryption.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/27/chinese-hackers-telco-access-00196082
Sues. Lawyers do discovery. Tencent refuses. Court fines Tencent in contempt, rules in favor of the government. Tencent tries to bribe Trump with something.
…Trump announces he made a peace deal with China
Discovery process, you say?
Which documents, you say?
What happened?
Shredded, you say?
How badly?
To bits, you say? Oh my my…
Come at me bro
Lol sue the us?
Money vs money, go for it
I agree with the US DoD. The large Chinese corporations are owned by CCP members and former PLA officers. Contain them until the PRC implodes.
So all veteran owned businesses in the US are extensions of the US military?
Like thats not a bad idea from an international perspective, there are plenty of folks who maintain connections and may or may not be at minimum an annoyance. Though I also feel like American culture is mercantile and independent enough that such risks are generally minimized, except from so called Christian companies those sons of bitches always have a secondary goal beyond profits.
Given the way things are going, the US will implode long before China does.
If the US goes China goes, the trade links are comparable to the late bronze age which ended when the trade links collapsed.
Given the insane tariffs on Chinese goods and the fact that china is still thriving begs to differ.
Not to mention I’m pretty sure all of their Chinese office buildings are literally in Military owned and operated land.
It would be like Google HQ being in the middle of a US military base.
EDIT: Although I do admit adjacent the Googleplex building there is a Department of Defense building like 10 minutes drive, near the airfield, but it’s probably there because NASA operates on the airfield.
Oh my, the US military might have to change the name of the list to, “Foreign companies we’re blacklisting for classified reasons”. How terrible.
Lmao, poor little babies
Here’s a list of websites China bans:
- YouTube
- Yahoo
- Wikipedia
- Marxists Internet Archive
- Fandom
- Netflix
- Zoom
- Blogspot
- Bing
- Twitch
- Roblox
- Steam Store
- Steam Community
- Spotify
- Messenger
- X
- Skype
- Tumblr
- SoundCloud
- Signal Private Messenger
- Dropbox
- Pornhub
- XVideos
- Medium
- Dailymotion
- BBC
- The New York Times
- Vimeo
- The Guardian
- SlideShare
- Discord
- DeviantArt
- The Washington Post
- Nico Video
- Archive.org (Internet Archive)
- Bloomberg
- Flickr
- Wretch
- HuffPost
- The Wall Street Journal
- DuckDuckGo
- Scratch
- Reuters
- NBC News -TIME
- Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC)
- Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC)
- Bandcamp
- Technorati
- Archive of Our Own
- Viber
- South China Morning Post
- Plurk
- The Economist
- ABC
- Voice of America
- Radio Free Asia
- NBC
- PBworks
- The Epoch Times
- The Epoch Times (Chinese edition)
- HBO
- WION
- Hong Kong Free Press
- Apple Daily
- TikTok
- ChatGPT
- Rockstar Games
- GitHub
- Hugging Face
- Flipkart
- Zomato
- Clubhouse
- Swiggy
- Truth Social
- National Weather Service
- Kanzhongguo (English)
- Kanzhongguo (Chinese)
- Microsoft Copilot
- Telegram
- Voice of America (Chinese)
- Teacher Li Is Not Your Teacher (by a famous anti-CCP Twitter poster)
I know this is not a complete list, but what about instances Lemmy? Would be very interesting to have conversations with Chinese behind the great Firewall!
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I came into this thread just to downvote their lies.
Yeah didn’t even get to number 7 on the list before hitting a Marxist resource. Uh oh…
Fuck, I’m saving this f9r future arguments. Love it!
The list is not entirely correct.
From china
Change it on wikipedia!
Ironically…
Uh … why SCMP? Isn’t that a party-friendly newspaper anyway?
SCMP is critical of China, but they do soften the blow
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National weather service???
(tin foil hat)
The government… They control the weather information… Satellites… Weather machines… Snorts cocaine we can’t trust them we need to trust our eyes…
I’m sorry but you know too much. Come with me.
Xhamster slides in undetected…
That’s more freedom than Texas
We should have done the same
Yeah let’s follow China’s lead and become just like them! I support restricting political freedoms and a giant firewall and a social credit system too.
They are obviously the superior system and therefore we need to emulate them.
Hard disagree, censorship is not welcome in a free society. I dislike a number of those sites and haven’t heard of most of the rest, but I wouldn’t ban a single one.
Good luck dealing with the current far-right inthe government in the US and soon in the EU countries though
Censoring the far-right doesn’t make it go away. It just pushes it underground where it becomes even more radical outside of the moderating influence of the mainstream.
The solution is not censorship, but to understand what is causing the rise in right wing radicalism and address the root cause.
That root cause is the total loss of faith institutions coupled with economic insecurity felt by the working class. When people are scared and angry, they will turn to those who give them simple solutions and an easy scapegoat. It’s a tale as old as time.
You can try and censor all you want, it won’t ultimately make a difference.
Censoring the far-right doesn’t make it go away. It just pushes it underground where it becomes even more radical outside of the moderating influence of the mainstream.
I beg to differ. The situation was MUCH better in this regard in Western Europe 15-20 years ago when being openly far-right would get you socially ostracized for the most part, and media didn’t routinely bring far-right mouthpieces on national TV.
That root cause is the total loss of faith institutions coupled with economic insecurity felt by the working class
I do agree with that though, that’s why I’m a commie who wants economic security for everyone (i.e. guaranteed employment and housing) and strong and trustworthy institutions (such as powerful, free and public healthcare and education and pensions, and the end of austerity)
I beg to differ. The situation was MUCH better in this regard in Western Europe 15-20 years ago when being openly far-right would get you socially ostracized for the most part, and media didn’t routinely bring far-right mouthpieces on national TV.
the question we need to ask is why was being right-wing socially unacceptable back then?
why is it OK for a politician like Trump to say “immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country” today whereas just 20 years ago that would immediately end a political career?
it’s not because we had more censorship.
the why is what we need to address. without economic security and legitimate institutions, we are lost.
censorship is not the solution and in fact it’s actively harmful. any mechanisms we create for a government to start censoring will inevitably be taken over by fascists when they come to power. and I think we only got a few years left at best
True, the far right has lost of lot of ground since musk took over twitter. Hanging Nazis was really a mistake post war. Giving them parlement seats is the best way to take power from them.
(Yes, this is how stupid you sound)
True, the far right has lost of lot of ground since musk took over twitter
we aren’t talking about some social media platform. we’re talking about a nation state censoring speech. these are two radically different things.
having said that, even on social media platforms with modern machine learning algorithms you can’t effectively censor. Look at how the far-right uses memes and secret symbols to communicate even through algorithms. for example the pepe the frog memes, the 88, the hand symbols, etc.
you can’t say “rape” on youtube or tiktok so people just use “grape” instead. the Chinese do similar things on their internet. censorship is always going to be a losing battle.
Hanging Nazis was really a mistake post war
executing people who committed war crimes and genocide versus a country censoring speech. again… two radically different things.
Giving them parlement [sic] seats is the best way to take power from them.
explain the connection between “giving” seats to Nazis (last I checked we had elections) in the current discussion about a country censoring speech.
(Yes, this is how stupid you sound)
you are free to spend your time on the internet saying anything you like. if making these weak appeal to ridicule comments makes you feel stronger, I support you
Fair point, but that means the ban should be coming from Department of Commerce, not the DoD.
Don’t try to come up with bullshit excuses about espionage.
“We’re banning these private-business Chinese websites because China bans our private-business websites and that’s anti-competitive”.
Low effort post
Basically any site that they don’t have full control over/can’t buy favor from and has the ability to spread info they dislike, even if it’s something as simple as 2+2=4".
And if you’re looking for someone outside of China to blame for their internet shield, Cisco was responsible for helping them set it up.
And then Huawei allegedly stole Cisco’s IP? Ah, the irony
I can’t be the only who thought the list would be long am I?
Every fucking Chinese company is required to be an arm of their government and provide them with any information they request. It’s not even a question, they are an arm of the Chinese government. They can get fucked
Same goes for US companies.
Have we learned nothing from Snowden?
Both countries are acting in their own interests. Simple as that.
Imagine if that meant in the people’s best interest.
It’d be nice, wouldn’t it.
Yeah, if only in either of those two countries people were seeing measurable improvements in their lives, approved of their government, and had hope for the future…
China probably have more hope for the future than US right now.
Yeah it is similar, but not the same (at least not yet).
China is a one-party state, and the government has control over private enterprise. If you are a Chinese company, the PRC ultimately has control of it, and that means the Chinese military has access to anything you have access to, if they want it.
This is on a different level than anything Snowden released.
Edit: For people who think I mean “party” like US political parties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-party_state#Current_one-party_states
There are several hundred political parties in China currently in office.
Cool. See number 1 on the list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-party_state#Current_one-party_states
Cool, read how the Chinese government works. There are hundreds of parties within the cpc.
It’s a one party state in the sense you have to agree China needs to progress in order to hold office. Just like traitors can’t hold office in the US.
Did you even read the link? Educate yourself.
I’m very familiar with that bit of misunderstanding you people tend to have, I’m trying to actually educate you on reality, instead of the opinions of the CIA.
Trusting the US government as a blahaj user seems dumb to me, but hey.
This is on a different level than anything Snowden released.
Snowden released the fact that the major internet companies in the US literally have full time CIA staff and locked rooms with servers
Why is this on a different level? Is it because they’re ASIANS?
The long and short of it is even leftie Americans have internalised American exceptionalism, even if they aren’t cognisant of it. And the right are, well… Racist and don’t want to admit it.
There’s no left in the USA, only liberals.
One government is actively committing genocide against subsets of their population I’d say it’s a pretty big fucking difference.
Uht oh. Brace yourself for leftists. Prepare to be deemed genocide supporter nazi extraordinaire.
Yeah the US genocide of black Americans needs the earn them some serious sanctions, but it’s not relevant to this discussion.
That Snowden releasing the facts and it being brought up in courts, state congress, and federal congress as well as national news all revolved around it being illegal in the USA.
In the PRC it’s only illegal to talk about it.
That Snowden releasing the facts and it being brought up in courts, state congress, and federal congress as well as national news all revolved around it being illegal in the USA.
Did it stop?
Did you ignore the part where it’s not illegal to talk about?
Yeah, the US is fucked, and there are some decent comparisons to China… But government control and oversight of business isn’t one of them.
In fact, it’s something that’s severely lacking in the US. We have the complete opposite problem.
The specific program Snowden revealed supposedly ended in 2015, it collected information such as who was calling who and for how long. The 9th Circuit actually ruled it clearly illegal in 2020 and Snowden made a Tweet about it in a relatively good mood.
This is the best news I’ve heard all day! Thanks.
China is a one-party state
I wish you could realise how hilarious it is to read someone comparing the US and China on their number of political parties…
What’s so hilarious about it?
I’m being slightly disingenuous by focusing on one expression in the entire message, granted.
But honestly, using “one party state” as an epiteth, like that’s what you want to focus on that’s badwrong about China? that’s amusing to me, reading this from Europe. YMMV.
Oh? So you are saying that there are no functional difference between a federation of 50 states, each with individual (somewhat independent) local and state governments, and the authoritarian CCP?
When I say “China is a one-party state,” I’m not referring to political parties as we would understand them in the US (Democrat/Republican). I am referring to the actual structure of the government.
You might want to maybe educate yourself on what a “one-party state” means in this context before trying to make snarky comments.
You’re right, I’m sorry, I really should educate myself about the US beyond the 40+ years of propaganda I’ve had to endure and the absolutely constant, never ending stream of shit across all media I’m the grateful recipient of, thanks to the Internet™. But honestly, I’m kinda scared I’d actually die if I came to visit.
Meanwhile, my experience with China over the last ten years or so has left me regularly wondering, in the grand scheme of things, what the fucking difference is. You both are absolutely insane, from where I live.
But yes, I was totally cherry picking your message. I don’t disagree with you, to be clear. I’m just amused about your choice of epithet.
No worries… apologies if I was snippy.
And yeah, the US and China are both insane… Unfortunately for me, as an American, China seems to be the more stable one these days (and it’s only going to get worse starting 1/20).
The DoD will pay its fines 500#s at a time.
Isn’t every chinese company part of CCP
“all right Tencent, make a game where you play as Tank man defending the innocent at Tiannanmen Square please”
Yes.
Keep it a note that having them listed as a Chinese military company could let US put pressure against open source groups to not collaborate with them; very similar to how US forced Linux Foundation to kick off decade old russian collaborators.
Cry more and maybe the west will care (we won’t, but still… try)
do you really think I give a shit about tencent? I just wanted to point out that this could have negative consequences for open source projects. Projects sponsored by them could lose a funding source, or any help work done by them could cease because of this.
do you really think I give a shit about tencent?
Yes, but I don’t understand why.
I just wanted to point out that this could have negative consequences for open source projects.
Something tells me the private billion dollar tech conglomerate doesn’t host a lot of “open source” projects.
Projects sponsored by them could lose a funding source, or any help work done by them could cease because of this.
That’s true, what sort of wholesome projects would lose funding? I would love to see that they sponsor the world’s largest food bank or help casualties of war get adequate medical treatment or fit for prosthetics (there isn’t a lot of money to be made in philanthropy in case you weren’t aware, i have 0 faith in tencent being benevolent in any way).
That’s a bad mischaracterization. You cannot force someone to do something voluntarily . Torvald spoke in support of it. I’m sure many governments and groups using the Linux kernel and open source want Developers that are vetted. Or can be reasonably sure won’t be forced to act maliciously under duress.
It is not a mischaracterization though. Open source projects can be forced to stop accepting contributions from employees of sanctioned companies, which would include Tencent employees if sanctioned. Anyways, Tencent is not being sanctioned here, so I guess it doesn’t really matter.
Also, Linus was definitely forced to kick the Russian maintainers out by USA sanctions.
Force implies force. If you have evidence that it was actually done by force. Against Torvald’s etc will. Please share it. Otherwise get out of here with your gasslighting.
Any project open source or otherwise can and does restrict contribution.
Saying that I’m gaslighting without even bothering to check the facts is a very interesting approach. USA sanctions on Russia regarding software and IT services went into effect on September, and all parties had 90 days to comply or be sanctioned as well. If he really did it only because he wanted to, why not do it as soon as the Russian invasion started? Why not do it as soon as the sanctions were announced (June)? Not kicking all employees from sanctioned companies means the Linux Foundation is sanctioned as well.
Okay, and? Torvald and many others aren’t American, not subject to it, and publicly stated that they weren’t forced to do it.
You’re claiming, hyperbolically might I add, that you know whats going on with Torvald and the foundation better than those people themselves. And still showing no actual proof or causation. How can anyone conclude anything other than you are gaslighting and being misleading? It’s Mega level bullshit conspiracy theories.
Torvald and many others aren’t American, not subject to it, and publicly stated that they weren’t forced to do it.
This is my last response to you because you just keep saying things that are false while calling me the liar. Linus is an American citizen, and even if he wasn’t, the Linux Foundation is an American organisation.
You’re claiming, hyperbolically might I add, that you know whats going on with Torvald and the foundation better than those people themselves. And still showing no actual proof or causation. How can anyone conclude anything other than you are gaslighting and being misleading? It’s Mega level bullshit conspiracy theories.
Literally linked the USA sanctions that apply to this case, but ok.
This is my last response to you
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
Link whatever you want. But prove your point. You keep saying correlation equals causation. But they’re two different words with two different meanings. Correlation does not imply causation.
I absolutely believe the timing of this was influenced by those sanctions 100%. I also believe it was influenced by both China and Russia attacking International infrastructure. Things like the other side of the table being cut , or the ZX back door orchestrated by China last year.
I believe all these things factor into why Linus and the foundation CHOSE to expel those contributors. Because they are vulnerable to those authoritarian States. And are thus a vector to attack the projects. Which they did not have staff or funds to audit and ensure they weren’t.
You keep implying that this was not a choice that Torvalds and the foundation did it against their will. Despite Torvalds posting the opposite. You can keep linking to the sanctions all you want. And while I think the sanctions played a part in this. I still think Torvalds and the foundation chose to do it on their own. And were not under duress to comply. Unlike your average Russian or Chinese citizen. Not that the West is Worlds better.
You cannot force someone to do something voluntarily
Instantly disregarded. Completely boneheaded thing to say.
Spoken like an willful adherent of a failed ideology.
Yeah, that’s right. I willfully pay rent and I willfully adhere to capitalism. No force used anywhere.
Sorry you said something stupid and got mad when someone pointed it out :(
Damn your projection is off the charts. But I mean it’s what we’ve come to expect from leninists. The childish Behavior I mean.
Had I actually said anything stupid. Then you should have been easily able to refute it. Yet you can’t. You can’t even actually acknowledge or reply to anything that I said. Instead choosing to Make up things or imagine things that were never Said.
BTW I’m an anarchist. I have no love for rent seeking leaches. Just as I don’t for capitalist/leninist hypocrites.
For an anarchist you sure seem like you read a lot more Salon.com than Bookcin
Or can you even read at all? The first line of my last comment was only 17 words but it apparently overtaxed your attention span. You spent your entire comment here pretending it didn’t exist.
Are they an adherant if they’re paid? What about if it’s an LLM?
Lol they cry like tankies when defederation talks begin.
