Definitely an unpopular comment to make in this thread, but from what I read at the time, most people don’t get jail time for first offense of this type of crime.
Of course, most people don’t hold press conferences outside of the courtroom bashing on the judge…
From whatever you read, are most people convicted of such crimes unpunished in any way, like Trump?
Probably not, but there’s also this:
Prosecutors had recommended the sentence, saying in court Friday, “we must be respectful of the office of the presidency” and Trump’s pending inauguration.
Makes you wonder why the prosecutors wasted all their time and tax payer resources just to recommend zero punishment. At least fine the dude in the amount he defrauded people.
Well, he wasn’t President-elect during the prosecution. That said, seems to me that asking for no penalty is the opposite of “respectful of the office of the presidency.”
I get that there was basically no chance that a sitting president was going to jail. But it’s not like making him pay a fine would have caused a constitutional crisis.
About the only good thing I can say about this is that it’s at least being honest about the complete lack of consequences.
If he had been fined, do you think he’d actually pay it? And what then? You can’t stick him in jail to make him pay it.
I think this was the real reason behind the decision. Any governmental punishment is ultimately backed by a threat of jail/prison for non-compliance, but if you can’t do that to the president, then he can just ignore it anyway.
As it is he is now required as a felon in NY to submit a DNA sample, which I am very doubtful he will do. Aint no way they’re going to he able to get him to even give up spit. So yeah, no way he would have given up actual money.
As a side note, if somehow he does submit a sample, imagine the chaos if the database got a hit on an open case. Absolute fantasy fodder, I know, but man would that be sweet.
It could just be that the fine would have been disturbingly low, and by fining that amount it would actually be more embarrassing than waving their hands and saying no punishment for supreme leader.
Was he under oath for his remarks? Stated that he won the popular vote by millions.
This is the same crime that Michael Cohen got three years in prison for. A crime he committed solely to benefit Trump. It makes no sense.
It makes perfect sense when you realize that the US punishment system is divided into two different systems.
You’re either in the system for those who happen to be rich, and are supporting the system, in which case you automatically get released with a slap on the wrist.
Or you’re rich or poor and happened to disagree with the status quo. In that instance you’ll be fed to the punishment meat grinder, having “the fictitious and imaginary book of laws” thrown at you for the harshest punishment that the US punishment system can imagine through “precedent.”
We had a contest at my blog, predict the punishment Trump will get (not deserve). People guessed parole and fines and suspended sentences, and I’ve always predicted Trump would get no meaningful punishment, but I’ve never even heard of being “sentenced” to “unconditional discharge.” Basically, sentence to no sentence at all.
Wow, it is sure good to be white and rich and connected in America.
The system is working as intended.
All you rich people who think you can break any law you want, let this be a
warningroadmapAnd don’t be thinking you can just get away with it either.
You will also be congratulated for doing so, and maybe even rewarded.
The only thing rich people are afraid of is getting pinned for child sex crimes. Anything else, they care less.
No, they do that, too. Trump has done that. And the right falls all over themselves to minimize and refuse to investigate. As with climate change, if you don’t know, then nothing is your fault. Even if it’s your job to know.
Both Democrats and Republicans support each other as kiddie diddling. Epstein had both Clinton and Trump to his island. Raping kids is a bipartisan past time.
Pastime*
Man, you say that like they don’t want to prosecute Clinton. Man, fuck that guy AND Trump. Fuck all the kiddie Diddlers, I ride with the kids and progress.
He’s .ml. The point is to make sure we never fix anything.
I think the keyword there is pinned, which to me sounds like being found guilty and punished. How often does that part happen?
Andrew Tate just started his own political party… He’s following the roadmap
from Romania?
Cause the weenymunch judge pussed out on his judicial duties
Ha ha ha, this country is a fucking joke on every level.
Ha ha ha 😭
Me too, thanks.
Judge Merchan is a fucking coward.
Not true. Their hands were tied. Same with the prosecutors. This was their best.
Yeah bullshit. This is something worth ending your career over. The judge should have done the right thing and accepted the consequences.
Probably because maga has started killing people.
That’s fine. If they want to start a war over their snowflake feelings let them. Giving away our freedoms to avoid a fight just guarantees someone can take all of your freedoms.
I understand the feeling, but I think this outcome is probably the best we could hope for, given the situation. If he had tried to impose fines or imprisonment, one of the higher courts would probably have intervened and the sentencing would never have happened.
That just means there’s more than one coward.
Fuck off with this president bullshit is above the law. God our country is so fucked. Can’t believe we rebeled against England for this shit.
“You see, it actually said ‘No! Taxation without representation!’”
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Mario, perhaps?
Copies are obviously the Waluigeon
He’s still a convicted felon, so won’t be entering Canada (and other nations) anytime soon.
The caveat to that is this holds as long as Canada doesn’t elect right wingnuts whose first order of business would be to grant that asshole a “freedom pass” to enter my nation.
What a cluster fuck this all is.
Stop with the misinformation.
Anyone with a criminal record can ask to be let in Canada, they just have to fill up paperwork and CBSA approves it (or not).
GWB was allowed in Canada even with his DUI, he just had to go through the exact same process Trump will go through.
It is up to the government whether or not they allow it to go through.
Ofc my preference is they don’t.
And obviously they’ll accept the POTUS you misinformation baffoon
Don’t act like you knew that right after saying, full of confidence, that he won’t be allowed to.
Don’t worry, this will appear 4th on the news sites after we discuss transgender issues and how “triggered” Musk is for the 6th time
Don’t forget the Gulf of America!
“We will invade Puerto Rico and force them to join the USA!”
main stream media orgasms from all the clicks they’re getting
The rule of law means that no one is above the law, not even the president. If the president is above the law then we do not have the rule of law. Being labeled a felon is the idea of a punishment, but since there are no consequences to this sentencing there is no punishment.
At least imposing a fine would have been consistent with precedent. At that point it would have been an issue with our laws being to lenient. That would have been a much more easily remedied problem than doing away with the rule of law, a founding concept of modern western civilization.
The rule of law was dead when the Supreme Court ruled presidents have immunity for core constitutional responsibilities and presumed immunity for official acts in Trump v. United States. This is another nail in the coffin.
I have never heard of “unconditional discharge” being a possible sentence for a crime. It’s like they made it up just for Trump.
