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Summary
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez criticized Elon Musk after he made a gesture during Trump’s inauguration resembling a Nazi salute.
Musk and his allies dismissed the comparison, calling such accusations exaggerated.
Ocasio-Cortez, however, called the gesture unacceptable, emphasizing America’s history of opposing Nazis and the Confederacy.
She also condemned the Anti-Defamation League for defending Musk, accusing it of losing credibility.
Her comments sparked broader debate on symbols, gestures, and their implications amid Trump’s return to office.
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Ohh, sick rip bruh, he’ll never recover from that!
Ah yes, but that doesn’t stop many of us from voting for them.
No one voted for Elon Musk, but here he is in the White House marching around doing the goose step.
R I P S
AND T E A R S
until it’s not even started
Unless you are one. And there seems to be no shortage these days.
This card says moops!
Are you sure about that?
Demonstrably not, AOC.
The US also let neo-nazis march on the streets without contest.
This is an unpopular opinion with .world mods, but I believe nazis should be dealt with immediately.
In a very permanent fashion.
I want to go to that bar. An ass-kicking nazi-hating bartender who doesn’t want to chat me up. Absolute heaven.
Fuck yeah, that’d be my local, 100%
By “dealt with”, I don’t suppose you mean inviting them in for tea and cake?
I’d love for them to come for tea and cake. Much easier than delivering it.
Yah, they should. A good fascist is a dead one
Where are the 2A nutjobs now?
This is literally what they’ve been waiting for. Pick up your guns and go deal with Nazis right here on the American mainland. In the White House.
The 2A nutjobs are the neo-nazis.
Where are the 2A nutjobs now?
They’re the Nazis
It didn’t resemble a Nazi salute. It was a Nazi salute.
Yup. Twice in a row. Exactly as the Nazis did it.
Stand to attention facing the crowd. Hand to chest, then full extension. Turn around to face the Fuhrer, or if he isn’t there, the Nazi flag. Then stand to attention and sieg heil again.
He did it. It’s not debatable. Don’t engage in debate with bad actors attempting to rewrite this history. The richest man in the world, who will act in an official capacity in the White House, is openly a Nazi. Because you are a Nazi if you perform a Nazi salute.
Yeah all these media sources keep saying things like “a day after Musk used an arm gesture, twice, that resembled the Roman salute adopted by the Nazis.”
It’s blatantly obvious that they’re afraid of getting sued. Kind of like instead of saying someone lied, they’ll soften it up to say they made a statement that some fact checkers may disagree with.
I remember Robert Evans from BTB saying that when he worked in journalism, ANY story on a rich person was automatically followed up on by a lawsuit from the person in question, so they’d have legal on a retainer ready to respond.
Yeah, he did it a second time to assure everyone of this.
He did it better the second time around.
The first time looked a little awkward (though definitely recognizable as a Nazi salute.) The second one was spot on.
Let’s hope it’s true… you just elected trump
Damn straight. Every US WW II rolled in their grave twice when the sack of shit “Leon Hitler” went on stage. AOC, find a way to fix the Democratic party.
You really don’t seem to though
Americans have zero excuse. You could argue that Germany was ruined by WW1 and the war reparations back in the 30s. But the US economy is doing much better than all other developed economies these days. Americans voted fascists in just because.
The Republicans have been grooming the country for this for decades now.
Because capitalism has ensured that the “good economy” isn’t reaching the average working class person like it should.
Our top line numbers may look good but there’s real problems under the hood. Our homelessness is the highest it’s been since we started tracking it and food has increased in price much farther than most people’s wages. It’s not about the gross amount of money. It’s about what that money can buy. And the answer is increasingly, not much.
WW II was probably the best thing to happen to America, economically and in a lot of other fields, science and tech for example.
The world wouldn’t have half of the technology we have today if it wasn’t for America figuring all this shit out during and after that war.
And America got to keep everything, unlike some other countries. There really is no excuse.
Boomers are called that for a reason. Families not only boomed, but most parts of life as well.
(Note Im not advocating for war, Im looking at history)
We used to kill Nazis.
Now we cheer them, shrug them off, or make excuses for them.
This nation is pathetic.
I wonder how many conservative’s ancestors fought the Nazis and now they’re voting for Nazis.
Hey 2A enthusiasts. This is the moment you’ve been saying you need your guns for your entire pathetic lives. Where you at?
Kill Nazis. Kill Nazi CEOs twice.
As an LGBTQ+ person who supports the NRA and believes we need substantially more guns in America and to repeal all gun regulation, I really hope all LGBTQ+ and allies not only are armed, but realize the benefit of owning a variety of firearms.
Since conservatives are trying to say some or all LGBTQ+ people are mentally ill, and mental illness is often used to justify disarming people, it’s really important for LGBTQ+ people to be aware of these issues.
In the US, gender dyphoria is classified as a mental illness under the DSM and so technically any trans person who has seen a doctor is mentally ill and not allowed to own guns.
Therefore, trans people will hopefully realize the important of being armed prior to disclosing their trans status to a doctor and decent people should do their best to not only the discredit the DSM as the pseudointellectual biased phrenologyesque crock of shit that it is, but also to have gender dysphoria removed as a psychiatric issue and labeled for what it is, a medical issue resulting from brain differences that requires treatment.
LBGTQIA+ folks aren’t magical unicorns… They can have garbage takes just like anyone else.
You support the NRA?
You want to repeal all gun regulation?
Defend both of those immediately or show yourself here as a troll aiming to sow discord along an oddly narrow path.
if you look at my post history, which is filled with unmitigated pro 2A pro-NRA posts, you’ll see I’m not a troll.
We would live in a much more polite society if everyone were armed.
The fact that 2A can be limited if a person gets diagnosed with depression makes it more likely people, especially men, avoid mental health treatment (and then eventually commit suicide).
Gender dyphoria is considered a mental illness and is already a potential large attack surface for conservatives to disarms trans people (to use a software metaphore).
The NRA is in favor of repealing needless pointless gun regulations which ahve horrible secondary effects and reduce the safety of all.
I also disagree that all LGBTQI+ people take out the garbage.
That moment for 2A enthusaists came when Alabama banned abortion (before Roe v. Wade was overturned) and when Trump was putting children in cages. They didn’t then… they were the Nazis all along. The same people who just wanted to be the Brownshirts, but with their own personal firearms and not something issued to them.
We’re seeing a similiar bullshit in Israel with West Bank illegal ‘settlers’ carrying M4 pattern rifles with them to the ‘homes’.
Assuming you’re American, you do understand the irony of America taking in the most nazi elite and scientists for their own personal projects right? Also if you read mein kampf you’ll find it fascinating how much he was inspired by American legalised racism and ethnic cleanings. America is a nation built like how Israel was, through ideological and legalized genocide, racism, fascism and racism. I’m starting to comprehend how the soviet did the real nazi killing and suffered the real consequences of the Nazis unlike America.
WW2 was between Russians and Germans. All the other stuff was barely a side character subplot compared to the Eastern front.
For example, in the Western front the German forces dealt more casualities to US and UK troops than the Allies did to the Axis by quite a lot too. Reading stories and diaries of American troops they would remark how astonishing it is that their German POWs were all either very young, or very old, either way remarkably unfit for combat. German command in the Western front was in shambles, because the vast majority of their efforts were going to the Eastern front. More Germans died in the battle of Stalingrad alone than in the entirety of the Western front. There were sieges in the Baltics that made Omaha Beach seem like a pretty lucky bet. The Belarusian grassroots genocide by Germans is hardly talked about, yet were just as brutal as they were against jews. The Siege of Leningrad is the type of nightmare fuel, hell on earth that Spielberg would never dream of touching. The West puts so much self importance about their fight against the German Nazi Machine, meanwhile it was the communists who did all the work while Western capitalists profited every step of the way since the beginning. And as you pointed out, America had and still has a strong Nazi following, also curiously backed by billionaires.
Now the collective West is the new Nazi party, and like it or not it’s up to Russia and China to stop them again.
EDIT - Just wanted to point out that a lot of the horrors of the Eastern front is equally blamed on Stalin too, Baltic people hate Germany and Russia the same for WW2. Every side of WW2 sucked horrendous ass, and nobody won in WW2 (except for capitalists)
Now the collective West is the new Nazi party, and like it or not it’s up to Russia and China to stop them again.
I was expecting hexbear or .ml for this sort of claim
Who do you think will stop them then? Are you counting on Americans to “rise up” like the average German moderate in the 1930’s did?
Oh I have no idea, I was just enjoying tankiness of the statement
I don’t get it though, I don’t even read Marx. The fact that it was Russia and China who stopped fascists last time, and might have to do it again because the West is doing the opposite of stopping fascism, how is that Marxist? It’s literally what happened.
You have no idea how “Now the collective West is the new Nazi party, and like it or not it’s up to Russia and China to stop them again.” sounds tankie as fuck?
Yeah, the people who see this as a significant deviation from the norm aren’t exactly incorrect, but I wonder to what degree they really understand the total history and scope of america as it has existed for basically all of it’s span. What we’ve done, in this country.
Nazis used to be flesh and blood. Now they’re phantoms
Those phantoms are in our government and marching in our streets.
Hey 2A enthusiasts. This is the moment you’ve been saying you need your guns for your entire pathetic lives. Where you at?
They’re apparently calling for gun control in the threads discussing LGBTQ+ people arming themselves.
Sounds like they’re still cowards. Well, at least they’re consistent. Enemies that are consistent are easier to study and destroy.
Apparently not
National identity is imaginary, powerful and useful. What she’s choosing to claim with hers is badass. It’s brash, in-your-face, heroic. Anti-apathy. And our world needs tonnes more of it.
As an activist irl, and someone targeted daily by nazis for years, AOC has no illusions about the current state of fash in the USofA, nor the history and current state of slavery and genocide in the world. Nazis (and other misogynists) will tell you she’s ignorant and deluded, but you know she’s not. She’s manifesting, and the irony is lovely.
If you want to live in the country she does - against all the opposition activists for the common good constantly face - claim it as she claims it. Go find your allies irl and stop letting powerful men tell you there’s no point trying anything. Your enemy says you’re not a real person, but a thing God put on earth for them to use or destroy.
Tough love: Hope is hard work. Apathy is an easy trap that flatters your intelligence while it kills your spirit. Trust yourself and make a choice: who is your enemy and how are you going to treat them?
Yeah. I’m a fucking American. A real American who takes pride in national heroes like the Abraham Lincoln Brigade and many others who fought and died opposing fascism
Also for anyone interested in very left wing very American media, there’s a podcast called “Alice Isn’t Dead” that’s basically a radio show of a woman driving a truck looking for her missing wife, filled with musings on America and it’s nature. It’s by the nightvale people and it’s good enough that I have less radicalized friends that enjoy it
TIL! That’s what’s up. People acting like this is all brand new lol…
Here’s a lovely bit of spoken word from Utah Philips as thanks for the link.
Are people acting like this is new? We’re living in extremely precedented times. Hell even “social condervativism is on the rise while the climate changes catastrophically” describes the situation of the reign of king James the misogynistic of England and Scotland (most notable for his Bible translation, his witch burnings, and his unification of Scotland and England and colonization of the americas and acrually a lot more), at the beginning of the little ice age
I heard an interview with the sci-fi author Kim Stanley Robinson, and he said something that I love: “pessimism is almost a dereliction of duty.”
If we want the world to be a better place, we have to make it a better place.
Lewis or Chesterton had something similar, that optimism and pessimism were both dishonest, but patriotism was necessary to existence. Probably Lewis
Extremely well said.
Fuck, dude. Maybe I have become too cynical. I’ve become a little dejected these last few days/weeks/months, but that was actually inspiring.
I should follow your username’s advice more lol.
Same. The enemy literally studies how to make us give up, and these screens we’re constantly touching are totally part of it.
snip from the last good thing I read on reddit:
The term “disinformation” undersells the problem. Because much of Russia’s social media activity is not trying to spread fake news. Instead, the goal is to divide and conquer by making Western audiences depressed and extreme.
Sometimes, through brigading and trolling. Other times, by posting hyper-negative or extremist posts or opinions about the U.S. the West over and over, until readers assume that’s how most people feel. And sometimes, by using trolls to disrupt threads that advance Western unity.
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Thank you, this comment section has some of this cynisim already. Yes she’s saying very eviden things but the other side is winning precisely by creating a culture of fear and overwhelming toxicity and locking you in echo chambers that eat at you by making you think their normal is The normal. It’s not lying than to project what you want into the world until enough people are in on it and pressure bad elements into hiding or into changing path.
