Summary
Representative Sarah McBride, the first out trans congresswoman, criticized Donald Trump’s executive order defining gender as strictly male or female.
McBride points out that biologically all embryos develop as female until the SRY gene activates weeks after conception.
The order, which ties gender to reproductive cells at conception, unintentionally categorizes all humans as female from conception based on biological facts.
McBride’s remarks highlight scientific flaws in the policy.
Damn. So that means all males (including me) are technically transgender.
I think I’ll have some coffee, then.
The president Donald Trump is the president with more women in their cabinet ever.
Dude is literally drowning in pussy
So far, only one cabinet member has been confirmed by the Senate, Marco Rubio for Secretary of State…
So I guess you’re still not wrong. ;)
I wish, that’d be a hell of a headline.
“Muffled at Last, Serial Snapper Grabber Snatched to Death”
Binders of women
Does this make him officially the first woman president? So progressive.
If it’s retroactive, then we haven’t had a single male president.
No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
EO != law
I would laugh my ass off that this bites him in the ass because it makes all scientific distinctions useless when making more laws. Just because his dumb ass doesn’t understand the nuance.
I’m not sure what is more disconcerting. That the people in charge truly are a bunch of fucking idiots.
Or that those idiots have outplayed and outsmarted the Democrats at damn near every turn for 20+ years.
They didn’t outsmart them, they just are trying to destroy everything. Their actions aren’t bounded by such qualifiers as “good things happening”.
One team is trying to govern, and the other team is trying to win.
If Democrats lied constantly, denied science, sowed fear and hatred, and used the law to enforce their personal religious beliefs… They’d be indistinguishable from Republicans.
This assumes the Democrats aren’t also keenly aware of what is happening and either doing a real sorry job of putting up any viable opposition or are in on the game. The two-party system is a front
This assumes a fair playing field.
The President in particular is very much a figurehead — he wields no real power whatsoever. He is apparently chosen by the government, but the qualities he is required to display are not those of leadership but those of finely judged outrage. For this reason the President is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it.
– The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas AdamsIf only that were at all true…
I KNEW IT!
I’M A LESBIAN!!!
I’ve known my whole life and it’s a relief to FINALLY to be able to come out officially.
THANK YOU PRESIDENT RUMP!
Bad headline IMO, she’s more so pointing out more flaws in it which is different than laughing it off
“This is logically flawed because <drops a stack of biology textbooks on the table>” won’t really bother a bunch of Young Earth Creationists. You’re arguing with people who will retreat to the baseline argument “because God said so” in a pinch. Getting into the messy details of embryonic development won’t save you, because that’s not how their nominations to the FBI, the DOJ, or the Federal Judiciary are going to interpret any of it.
“God made me a woman at conception and changed me to a man. I’m correcting God’s indecisiveness.”
Actually it being poorly written helps a lot with court challenge. That was one of the reasons why so much was overturned in his first administration. There was a fear that this time he’d sign better written executive orders that would survive challanges instead we’re getting a lot of them like this
You think the supreme court won’t side with whatever schlock trump puts out? You should listen to a few of their hearings. The ones on free speech and transgender issues are specifically telling.
Not all cases make it up to SCOTUS. Massive numbers of suits are being filed right now, they can’t take them all up with just 9 justices. Many of these lawsuit are intentionally filed in places with more dem appointees on the district and appeals courts
SCOTUS is insane, but they are also not in lock step with Trump. They have their own agenda that often align with Trump but not always. For instance, they just ruled 9-0 on the TikTok ban while Trump was calling for the courts to rule the opposite way
We won’t we every fight, but there’s fights we can win. Use every tool we can against them
For instance, they just ruled 9-0 on the TikTok ban while Trump was calling for the courts to rule the opposite way
https://newrepublic.com/post/190366/gorsuch-supreme-court-tiktok-ban
“But the question we face today is not the law’s wisdom, only its constitutionality. Given just a handful of days after oral argument to issue an opinion, I cannot profess the kind of certainty I would like to have about the arguments and record before us. All I can say is that, at this time and under these constraints, the problem appears real and the response to it not unconstitutional,” Gorsuch continued
This assumes the courts will challenge it.
No, it assumes that they will give a shit what the court says if they rule against them.
There are already groups that have pledge lawsuits on this specific executive orders. The courts don’t just decide to do a lawsuit, people and organizations
Others have already filed multiple lawsuits on multiple of his executive orders. There’s 4 different lawsuits already filed against his one trying to overturn birthright citizenship for instance. ACLU, group of 22 state attorney generals, separate group of states, and some other orgs.
Also note that they’re also filing many of these in courts with more dem appointees who are much more likely to grant injunctions, rule favorably, etc. This is a tactic called judge shoping that republicans have historically loved to exploit and now it’s being used against them. Most cases never reach SCOTUS so this stuff matters. SCOTUS can only take up so many cases with 9 justices and there’s already massive numbers of suits here
The truth is, they don’t care how poorly written it is, they’re just trying to flood the zone with stuff, and they win no matter the outcome. If it’s not challenged, they have policy, if it is challenged, it occupies time and resources and most importantly, if it’s challenged unsuccessfully, they have legal precident.
And every challenge is a chance to kick it up all the way to the Supreme Court where it can be enshrined as constitutional precedent.
it is challenged, it occupies time and resources
It also takes up their time and resources to which I say: good. Slow it all down
They’d rather be able to steam roll through it all. Make them waste time defending everything so they can’t sue as much about things they do care about or move on to putting other things in effect
It also takes up their time and resources
It’s YOUR TIME AND RESOURCES! They do it on public employee time and with tax money. They are weaponizing the state against the people. There isn’t an upside to this.
So stand down and never fight? Absolutely not
There is a fight, don’t let them go without one
Progress will happen at the local and state level. The goal at the federal level is damage control
This is where I’m at too. Even rubber stamping shit takes a non zero amount of time. We should be bouncing back anything that has so much as a misplaced comma, let alone shit like this.
No it doesn’t slow them down. They will do the fucking thing anyway. Why do you think they’d stop just because they used the wrong wording?
Who the fuck is going to stop them?
It has slowed them before. Make them have to keep rewriting it to survive challenges
Make them deal with the companies who don’t trust the next admin won’t just go the opposite way. Apple for instance is keeping TikTok delisted from the App Store despite trump trying to extend it
Make them have to deal with federal worker strikes
Make them have to deal with local & state officals who won’t comply with invalid orders
There is a fight. Don’t let them get away without one
It has slowed them before. Make them have to keep rewriting it to survive challenges
How is it not already abundantly clear that this is not “before.” There is no precedent for what is currently happening
Who “makes” them exactly? This is fascism now. The person with the biggest army gets what they want, and everyone else better shut the fuck up or die.
They have more time and resources as many of the challenges are spun off and subcontracted to their cronies. And they don’t especially care if things grind to a halt, that’s also a win for them, they can play victim to the public with it and scream about how they really want to get on with running a government.
Many of the orgs fighting them also aren’t governmental like the ACLU, the EFF, and other groups. Plus even localities like cities are even filing lawsuits against his EOs
Biden had tons of his stuff blocked in courts and got all the blame for the courts blocking it. The public isn’t really good at paying attention to why something happened only that it didn’t
Yeah, Biden got blamed because his orders failed in courts that were stacked by Trump, pointing to it like it was a sign of his incompetence.
Dems will be blamed for Trump’s agenda being stalled causing any and all problems for people stemming from his policies that do go through.
They’re great at twisting everything against the Dems (and, honestly, the Dems suck at pushing back in any effectual manner)
The average intelligence of his hanger ons has dropped through the floor. Not to say there arent some possibly smart ones but those ones are probably having to spend way more energy keeping themselves sane, imagine being stuck in a room with both Trump and Musk youd have to expend so much willpower just to not go into a suicidal and homocidal rage.
You’re acting like this is still a country of law and order.
This exactly. It’s disconcerting to see how many people seem to be laughing this off.
They have zero interest in logic and consistency. We know what they mean, the actual words they used don’t matter.
Haha this is so awesome, she should tell that one to a trans person being denied healthcare.
VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO, because they’re all hilarious, woahfully ineffective at combatting conservatives and the far right, but hilarious.
Donvict and his supporters (yeah, I know, don’t blame the precious voters!) don’t really understand science.
Someone should sue JD Vance for addressing Trump as Mr. President. Illegally addressing him as a man. Clearly sewing doubt in the direct orders of the president, it’s detrimental to the entire country.
There’s an easy way to redefine this. If Trump can grab you by it, and you just let it happen because he’s a star, you’re a woman.
So everyone’s a man given his tiny baby hands?
Isn’t that every despot’s idea, though? Make all laws used to control people nebulous enough that they can be applied to anyone for whatever reason? Just because it’s inept doesn’t mean it isn’t useful.
One gender for everyone!
You kids are spoiled with all your gender identities. Back in my day, we only had one gender, and we were grateful for it!
You were lucky! We had to share a gender with everyone in the village!
And when that prick Jane had it, it always came back bent!
TWO GENDERS ENTER! ONE GENDER LEAVES!
Mad Musk: Beyond Genderdome
We’re all yesgendered now! Hooray!
For some reason this makes me think of the inscription on the One Ring.
It began with the forging of the Genders. Three were given to the Transgenders, eepy, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven to the Non-binaries, great miners and craftsmen of the mountain halls. And nine, nine genders were gifted to the furry-folk, who above all else desire power. For within these genders was bound the strength and the will to govern each gay community. But they were all of them deceived, for another gender was made. Deep in the land of Mordor, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Sauron forged a master gender, and into this gender he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life.
One sex to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them.
One gender to start them all, one gender defines them
One gender to bring them all, and in togetherness find them
“Human Beings”, like the Greendale mascot.
You’ve heard of non-binary gender, get ready for its upgraded form: unary gender
Ope we’re all gay now. Time to grab the most outrageous outfit you can come up with and get in the parade everybody.
Nope, you can still be straight if you’re attracted to males outside the US, executive orders aren’t worldwide
They are in America! YEAH!!! MERICA!!!
Urinary gender???
Any of y’all wanna join the Peepee Club? Urine!
Wanna come to a club where people wee on each other?
You ever drink Baileys from a shoe?
On this blessed day, we are all old greg
You’ve seen my downstairs mixup.
If you’re not female, you’re dead! Not a threat, just a fact.
Trump scientifically and detail obtuse, color me derped!
Trump: “You must identify with the gender you were at the time of conception.”
Science: “Everyone starts out as women and don’t become men until 6 weeks after conception.”
Trump: “That is exactly what I meant. Everyone who knows science must identify as a girly girl.”
Trump decided he wanted to be the first female president obviously. Don’t you liberals understand 5d chess!?
“Trump beat Hilary to being the first woman president” is honestly hilarious to me. Sad, but also hilarious.
He literally just wants to be the first female president
Can anyone clarify how the 6wk part override the zygote being XX or XY at conception? (Automod deleted my last inquiry)
The chromosomes being set at conception seems to be the sticking point for those in favor.
Trumps EO states that sex is no longer determined by chromosomes and is now done by reproductive organs. Someone please correct me if im wrong.
You’re correct.
Although the technical wording isn’t exactly specifying organs, but rather the capacity of the organs to produce either the “large” or “small” reproductive cells (egg/sperm)
It defines “Sex” as someone’s “immutable biological classification as either male or female,” but the classification “Male” or “Female” then uses the term “belonging […] to the sex that-” which effectively means that sex is someone’s biological classification as either belonging to the sex that […], where sex is someone’s biological classification as either belonging to the sex that… and so on.
The definitions themselves genuinely repeat endlessly, but even with a charitable reading, assuming that, for instance, instead of “biological classification” it was “biological classification based on physical characteristics,” which is how the definitions of male/female seem to be worded, it still could possibly classify everyone as sexless, since nobody produces those cells at conception.
Maybe one could argue that sex doesn’t produce reproductive organs, the sex organs do?
My charitable reading is that Donald has transitioned 175million people against their will. He should be ban from going near any school we don’t want him trying to forceably transition more people.
I think the bigger issue is hiding in plain sight:
a person belonging, at conception
Personhood does not begin at conception.
And if it legally does, since I’m a chimera, can I use the carpool lane?
You should apply for a second birth certificate, on the grounds that both of the “people” who were conceived were actually born. You should seek a second SSN, claim them as a dependent on your taxes.
That would be an interesting approach to how to deal with me being trans. “Actually you only issued my brother his birth certificate, I’m the sister, here’s the proof I was born”
We all know that’s why the mistake was made. It’s not exactly rocket surgery.
It’s a P2025 script. Oklahoma made it into law into September, with the same ridiculous misunderstanding of basic biology. It doesn’t matter, they know who they are supposed to oppress.
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