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They’re talking about the federal Veterans Administration, in case that’s unclear.
Edit: I’ve also confirmed with a federal employee I know that this is happening at the SBA as well, this is probably happening throughout the federal government.
No no that’s just the Ministry of Truth
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
GOD IS POWER.
There are women and people of color in the Trump administration. I think people need to start reporting him for his DEI hiring.
The military and VA already promote shitbags, liars, and asskissers of all colors anyway. What’s the difference
What is VA?
Probably Veterans Administration, a federal agency that would be expected to comply with the executive orders.
Veterans Administration
Yeah, America is a overtly fascist nation now.
Now even sporting a GeStaPo (Geheime Staats-Polizei or Secret Federal Police). They were the ones who rounded up the “enemies of the state” in Nazi Germany.
Always was. 🔫
For the younger generation, yeah, probably, for us older folks, we still remember a time when America at least kept the veneer that we were better than Nazis.
There’s not really one clean cut definition of fascism, mostly a lot of “I know it when I see it”
That being said, one definition I find kinda useful is; “Fascism is what we call it when an imperial power begins applying colonial policies to itself; the frontier comes home.” Germany had already been organizing concentration camps in northern Africa years before they started rounding up Jewish people. As a colonial power, Germany always had fascist policies, they were just directed outward.
By this metric, it’s hard not to see the US as a fascist power for… most of the latter half of the twentieth century? Obviously, outright colonization isn’t the standard anymore. It’s mostly mediated through international businesses, propped up by the occasional secretly-funded coup or even an outright military invasion. Those of us living within the official boarders of the US have just been privileged enough to not have to live with the negative consequences.
Or you could use Umberto Eco’s “Ur Fascism” definition.
Anyone whose country suffered through a period of fascist dictatorship will tell you that that making children swear the pledge of allegiance thing was fascist as fuck, and that’s just the tip of the shitberg.
That alleged veneer was gossamer thin at its thickest.
You weren’t fooling anyone outside your borders.
Ima just post a comment I left on another morally nostalgic commenter:
Well, we started out with a genocide so terrible Hitler idolized it and called it “The First Great Cleansing”. Also, you ever seen this image from the 1940’s? It’s in Madison Square Garden.
Also, when did America join the fight against the axis powers? Oh, 2 years after the war began? Only after Pearl Harbor? You’d think a country so moral would join the fight against genocide quicker.
America was never a good, decent or moral country.
Henry Ford was a Nazi. Ringing any bells?
More questions for the American Moral Supremacists:
When were black people welcomed into the citizenship and regarded as equals?
When did women get access to bank accounts?
What happened to the buffalo?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_genocide_in_the_United_States
Yeah, welcome to every fucking nation ever. Show me a nation that’s been completely and utter clean with no mass genocides or atrocities and I’ll show you a god damn unicorn that shits rainbows.
No one is going that America was a pristine fucking nation that has done no wrong outside of these Nazi Republicans but if you think that a single moment like this with these Nazis supporters being in the minority defined America even at that time, you need to read a history book. Also just because America was hesitant to join the war since you know the great depression, still reeling from WWI, among other factors doesn’t mean America was all “Go Nazis! Go!” that you’d like to paint America. Again, read a damn history book.
But hey, you feel free to think that America was always full of Nazis and never made any progress, there isn’t anything I can say that will change your mind about that anyways.
Regardless of what each of us thinks about the history of America, America’s got a very public, very vocal, and very much Nazis in power now and it’s going to suck.
Nice excuses. I won’t be making them though. Those excusals got America to where it is right now. Turn the other cheek, nothing is bad because everything is bad. No progress, no looking back.
Just anger, right now.
Shoo pigeon, I don’t want to play chess with you.
Could your point be shortened to “what about it”? I think so…
People still have no idea how bad it’s going to get. People are still acting like this is just normal bad, a unfortunate moment in our otherwise decent system and society. This is not the reality. Things are going to get bad. This isn’t doomerism, this is reality.
Please, take the necessary steps to secure and provide for you and your loved ones, and genuinely consider developing some kind of exit strategy. Do not downplay this until it’s too late; be prepared before the sky turns red.
One of the biggest lies of my life is hearing, “never again”. It’s happening again and nobody is stopping it. Everyone is asleep at the wheel.
“never again” = “never again, to us”
Got nowhere to go.
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They’re literally going to schools and going “Papers, please”.
Ring any bells?
People should start filming and livestreaming all this shit asap
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ACLU has an app for police encounters that sends it directly to them for if the cop tries to delete from your phone
Unfortunately that app is for an old version of Android and I can’t actually download it on my phone. It has a lot of negative reviews saying it keeps crashing or freezing which sucks because I’d really like an app like that that works.
Doesn’t the citizen app do that as well?
Citizen app requires too many permissions right at the start for me to ever use it over ACLU
I truly believe that anyone that believes that it’s already happening will have their beliefs cemented, the people that reject any notion of fascism will reject it, and the people that are on the fence are too old or too dumb to actually make an informed decision
Nah. All we need to believe is some text on a picture. It’s all true!
My friends in gov are experiencing this stuff. Emails telling them to report all DEI contracts or face consequences. Shits real.
Can confirm from people I know as well. Lots of McCarthy-style “rat out your coworkers.”
Right? I work in a company that has a lot of government contracts, I’m just a janitor, but it’s known I’m trans… do I count as a “DEI Hire” ?
Yes. Anyone not a white cishet Christian male is a DEI hire. There will be some exceptions for straight Christian women for a little while, but they’ll be targeted soon enough and put to pasture with the other breeding stock. Moo.
Did you bother to look into these claims at all? Or, are you doing practically the exact same thing you’re claiming the OP is doing; assuming?
There’s that worthless centrist logical superiority, doing what it always does. Nothing.
Yea it’s not like the leader of the fascist party just did two back to back Nazi salutes whilst the magat filth cheered him on.
Haha internet goes [Error 404]
(Shoutout to Briar, an app that lets you communicate without the internet, very useful for an organized group of protesters)
have used briar. it works and will be a vital tool. get your peeps to install and have it at the ready.
Theres are also Public Forums FYI. Not a lot of activity, but its like a secret club on the internet. Although the bot is often down, so you might have to wait a while to get added. I have the forums if you want to join (Briar Link: briar://ac5dsvvrwm4mnalxdonumapfwolvbjdxuosuxkn2yfizfiey6b6uq)
Isn’t that basically what signal already does or is there something I should know about signal?
No.
Signal, while is End-to-End encrypted and cool, but it requires the central server. If the government shuts down the internet, you can’t organize your protest
But Briar does not require a central server and lets you connect via internet (via tor), bluetooth, or share between devices connected to the same wifi.
Imagine a protest where everyone is using Brair (and have added everyone as contacts), they could create a forum and one message from one end of the street can travel across the entire swarm of protesters, doesn’t matter if the government shut down the internet.
(I mean… at least until they figure out what y’all are doing and they start jamming bluetooth signals… 🤔 but even then, jammers have limited range, especially at the bluetooth spectrum)
All data is on your device (and all other devices the forum is shared with), there is no central server to take down content.
Don’t take your phone to protests.
Yeah. Take someone else’s.
Smart!
Depending on you goal.
For leaderless anonoymous protests, and you want to stay alive, sure.
For organized groups that are willing to take some risk and be martyrs, its worth considering.
Use a custom OS (like Graphene OS), turn on airplane mode, use bluetooth to communicate via brair. Its much harder (but not impossible) to track people this way.
Once you’re at the protest you can talk in person. Sure,. Maybe organizers need some form of communication (and hopefully they do it securely), but otherwise there’s no need. You can just speak with people. People have been protesting far longer than cell phones have existed.
Even people willing to take risks and be martyred should do it in a way that advances the goal. They shouldn’t try to let themselves be tracked and watched/arrested in private away from the protest. If you’re being arrested it should be forced to be in public and made into a show.
No IOS client though. I do also have android phone so I could load it up on that.
Oh that’s great to know, thank you!! Definitely gonna keep that one in my back pocket.
Yeah, I got an email in my gov address encouraging me to disclose any DEI stuff within the next ten days without any penalties or face penalties of it’s discovered after that.
It’s important to resist this in any way you can. One of the strengths of democracy is that because so many people are part of government, it requires a lot of people to participate in making dictatorship work. It can happen, as in Russia or North Korea, but it isn’t supposed to be easy.
The first step I’d suggest is to establish private communication with others in your department so you can coordinate a response without your supervisors knowing. A mass walkout/general strike in the case of firings should be a consideration.
What’s a VA?
Veterans administration, hospital for military vets
I’m glad you answered that; I thought it was referring to a policeman employed by the state of Virginia.
I’m seeing posts on Nextdoor about it in Charlottesville, so that too I guess
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What does a “VA police officer” do? Or look like?
Basically the federal version of the hospital security guard. They look like regular cops but with a fed badge.
In the words of the late great David Lynch, “Fix your hearts, or die”
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No one is hiring on the content of anyone’s character. I get the sentiment here but it doesn’t work. No one is stopping them from hiring two people aside from greed. Stop blaming the worker and start blaming the employer that had to be forced to even look at people outside of straight white men.
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This only works if you assume that a company can only be successful with the best talent, and that simply isn’t true. Disney is massively profitable but its ranks are filled with nepo-hires, idiots, whatever - all kinds of “not the best.” We like to pretend that business is a purely pragmatic and as such integrity will automatically occur based on the profit motive… but that just isn’t reality, at all. In reality business is personal, and crony, and human-driven, and so many other things that keep it miles away from being the pragmatism you’re implying.
This is why businesses are full of unskilled nephews, old business school friends, etc.
So framing this as “DEI” vs “merit-based” is flawed as fuck because “merit-based” was never actually on the table.
Right, I’m sure my company did an exhaustive search and just so happened to be a coincidence that all the most qualified talent has the same last name. Weird.
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Yes, this is literally what DEI program at least stifle, as now you can’t just stack the deck with all your cronies. And yes, there will still be nepo-babies, but 60% nepo-baby crony executives is still an improvement over 90-100%. Life isn’t all or nothing, it’s frustratingly incremental.
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I work for a university department, and our programs strive to make “DEI” and “merit” literally the same thing. We want the best and the brightest, so we try to overcome the barriers that keep them down, such as family history and economic circumstances. Those factors disproportionately affect people from minority groups because of historical reality, and that’s the only reason that race even enters into it. Many of the people in our programs are white people from poorer backgrounds. We don’t control the admissions process, we just try to get the best people to apply.
Put another way, the people with the family and cultural background (i.e. money, knowledge, and connections) to get into grad school are not always the same people with the best scientific minds.
Put yet another way, if the result of your hiring process is all weathier, white men, that’s prima facie proof that the hiring metric was not merit.
Let’s establish some frameworks here.
First, I want to clarify that I am not “fighting for DEI.” Instead, I am dismissing the narrative that frames the current situation as a conflict between DEI and merit. This perspective is not only misleading but also fundamentally incorrect.
It’s important to recognize that the existence of one initiative does not preclude the existence of others. For example, free school lunch programs do not conflict with disaster relief efforts. Similarly, DEI initiatives do not conflict with other movements aimed at creating a more merit-based system.
In terms of my personal opinion, if pressed, I would find it challenging to label DEI as simply a “good” thing, likely for reasons similar to your own. Life is complex and nuanced, and we rarely encounter straightforward solutions. However, I do see DEI as a significantly “better” approach, which brings me to why others might “fight for DEI” as you say.
Life is inherently complicated and often an uphill battle. When starting in the muck, seeking a solution that keeps your boots clean is unrealistic. While we may desire perfect solutions and easily identify them, implementing those solutions is a different challenge. The powers that be often resist change because they benefit from the status quo. Therefore, when pursuing progress, we sometimes need to consider compromise for the sake of achieving meaningful impact.
So, we are not discussing merit versus DEI; we are comparing the status quo to DEI. In this comparison, DEI represents greater opportunities for a lot of individuals who have been unfairly excluded. Yes, this does not solve the greater problem nor does it address it in an equally or means-based way and yes this potentially introduces additional disparties; these things are true. DEI does not solve social inequity nor does it suddenly represent a “fair” system. But it pretty objectively is an improvement on the deep cronyism and gatekeeping of the existing status quo. It’s not good, and it’s not fair. But it’s BETTER, and it’s MORE FAIR.
We may not be reaching the summit of the mountain with DEI, but we are certainly elevating our position.
I hope this provides some clarity. However, you may find a more passionate advocate for DEI can offer a more satisfying answer.
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Genuine ignorant childish behavior.
Big man can speak up to whine but can’t put in the work to read a couple paragraphs.
Legitimately pathetic.
Assholes to saints in every color.
The point of DEI stuff is basically when you have multiple equally qualified people, you choose the one that brings more diversity to your work force. Diversity is very useful. People from different backgrounds will come up with different solutions to problems. You may get a solution that wouldn’t have been thought of otherwise.
DEI is usually not hiring under-qualified people. That’d be stupid.
(I’m a straight white man. I’m not saying this from a position of benefiting from it.)
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Let’s say you’re making widgets, but your widgets aren’t selling very well. You look around and realize that your entire company is made up of Chinese women, from designers to marketers to manufacturers. All Chinese women.
You live in an area with a very diverse range of people, and your product is not intended only for Chinese women. You want to sell your widgets to as many people as possible. Unfortunately, no one on your team is able to effectively market them to other demographics, because they don’t know what those demographics want in a widget.
This is just a ridiculous example, but I think illustrates at least one way that diversity is useful to a business.
Here’s more information and examples from Washington State University’s college of business.
Without DEI, racist employers will only hire white men, just like they did before DEI was implemented to force fair treatment of minorities. Obviously.
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And why are there any at all?
Obviously the policy worked, because racists were prevented from knocking them below a glass ceiling.
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Nope, that’s how fascism tries to turn diversity on its head.
Without diversity programs, racist bosses were free to prevent minorities from rising to the levels they deserved. Those diversity programs enabled freedom to finally begin ringing.
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I wonder if you’ll ever say anything impressive.
You can want it all you like, but history has shown that that only works on paper.
Maybe someday that’ll no longer be the case, but that day isn’t today.
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Using MLK to uphold fascism, interesting choice
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So do I.
“I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.”
“Let us say boldly that if the violations of law by the white man in the slums over the years were calculated and compared with the law-breaking of a few days of riots, the hardened criminal would be the white man. These are often difficult things to say but I have come to see more and more that it is necessary to utter the truth in order to deal with the great problems that we face in our society.”
I love democracy
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