I wonder what kind of performance bonus the republicans earn from putin if they can pressure the world’s 5th largest economy to leave the US.
Never going to happen. Too many red welfare states leech off the money flowing out of California. We are propping up a ridiculous number of them. Not to mention the fact that architecture from CA puts a lot of food on the table for many stars West of the Mississippi.
Plus, it would set a very dangerous precedent for other states.
On the flip side, with California gone, the GOP would basically never lose the House, the Senate, and the Presidency again.
On the flip side, with California gone, the GOP would basically never lose the House, the Senate, and the Presidency again.Oh buddy, I’ve got news.
I should have said: it makes it a little more straightforward for that to happen in some ways.
They can enjoy governing the red welfare states.
Please call the new country New California Republic
I already have the NCR flag up in my house.
Living under the second Trump administration almost makes you wish for nuclear winter.
If we could figure how to make an east coast - west coast exit into a country that would be ideal.
Just have it run up the coast, include Canada, then back down…
The United Horseshoe of America.
We’re going to need a new flag…
Or…
As a Canadian, I’d be OK with that. We’d have to vote for a Prime President or President Minister.
Would make for a good opportunity to improve the election process of both countries. Though not as badly as the US, I hear Canada also struggles with first-past-the-post voting.
It was one of the election reforms our current government promised and of course, broke.
Yeah I’m getting pretty tired of my state contributing far more in federal taxes than any other state just to help bailout ignorant, oppressive, poor red states.
We’ve got the money, the tech, the military installations, and the agriculture. Let’s do our own thing. Or better yet, bring the whole West Coast in on it.
Northeast here, we would like to join you.
Yeah, we certainly share a similar sentiment in Jersey. I’m not sure breaking America up solves more problems than it creates, though. Like many problems I encounter, personally and as part of some larger whole, I don’t see solutions.
The stunlock proceeds as expected
Terrible name. At least use Califexit if you don’t want to go with the obvious Calyeet or Califorgetaboutitimoutofhere.
I’m partial to CaliFuckThis.
Supercalifuckthisshitandexileallemotions
WA, OR, CA, MN, WI, IL, ME, MA, RI, CT, VT, NY, NJ, PA, MD, CO, NM, I would be okay with coming to Canada. The rest of yous? Idk.
Don’t forget DC. Everyone forgets DC.
No, the US can keep DC.
Ok sure just let the US keep the second best train system and the #1 city for park access, also the people that would be most down for this.
I don’t live there so I’m maybe out of the loop here, but why not Michigan?
Michigan went dipshit this latest election, but it’s a fixable state
Wisconsin is surprisingly red when you step out of Milwaukee and Madison and maybe Green Bay. And even then! Just remember those fuckers put Scott Walker in power.
E: Forgot how to spell
I’m a Minnesotan, currently at my kids hockey tournament. This is an acceptable scenario.
You DON’T want PA. They were one of the swing states that handed Trump the WH. They’re also the fattest state in the Union
Please don’t, at least not without other states. Cali leaving would hand the Republicans even greater control of the House and screw over the other blue states.
Split California in half. Or thirds.
Now it’s a few regular-sized states with more Senators
California leaving would absolutely start a chain reaction of other states.
Yeah come with us!
Aka a civil war
If California successfully left (trying that didn’t work so well that one time), then I see Oregon and Washington joining. That bloc probably wouldn’t spread further east, though. Too many red states in the way. Texas would probably also secede because honestly I think the only thing keeping them from doing so now is the precedent that it’s not possible. New York would talk about it, but it wouldn’t pass. Minnesota might talk to Canada about joining them, but they probably like their guns too much to actually go through with it.
Nevada is pretty red but they’d bail for anyone offering better gambling laws.
Nevada isn’t just Vegas. There’s a big values dissonance between Vegas and the rural North, and if the country starts fracturing I don’t see them staying together.
I could actually see Vegas seceding from Nevada to either join with California or become an independent city-state.
Fallout: New Vegas would become real, in other words.
Guess I better start building my gauss rifle and riot gear…
Minnesotans would do just about anything to join Canada. We’re very much blue even in our rural areas
Canadians have tons of guns. We just have reasonable laws.
Yeah, to me this seems like another variation of that movement that’s constantly trying to get California to pass a bill to split it into multiple states. Which, wouldn’t you know, just happens to favor the Republicans!
Uh, does it? Last time I did that math the outcome was a 2:1 advantage for Dems
They want to do gerrymandering but by creating new states instead of within a state. They want to make the population centers their own states and make multiple states out of the rural areas, which vote as red as some red states. Which is just a convoluted way of adding more Republican senators.
Ah, the last realistic map I saw was the norcal, socal, eastcal one not the GOP wet dream one since there’s not a snowball’s chance in hell of that one passing the assembly
I could be wrong but I had thought I read that it was the same chucklefucks behind both variations, if that’s the one that came up for vote… I don’t even remember how long ago, time is meaningless now.
Dividing the USA is not uplifting news. This is terrible for everyone.
Yeah, much better to have as much power as possible in the hands of the fascists. The opposition needs to get out of there as long as they can (unfortunately I dont think they can though)
Why that?
The best solution for that country would be if all except New York and Florida leave.
So I’m confused - the new country would be New York and Florida? Is that like a new version of the brits and Australia? I get the sentiment behind sending the crazies to a place where they can roam free… but I don’t quite understand the New York part.
The new dictator shall keep them, that’s all.
It was not legal and unconstitutional when the CAS seceded, and it will be illegal and unconstitutional if California attempts to do the same.
Why not just change the law? Seems to be an option whenever other people want to.
You can absolutely do that, except that it would be amending the constitution, not changing the law. You might be able to get enough people and states to vote in favor of it, but I highly doubt it. Especially since California pays for a shitload of red states’ existence. Republicans don’t want CA to leave and take the CA money with it, they want CA to be forced to capitulate.
California will rise again?
Wait till you hear what these thirteen cheeky colonies did back in the day.
There is a world of difference between the American Revolution and the US Civil War. For starters, the colonists had help from France. Secondly, Britain quit because it was both expensive and tedious to wage war across the Atlantic Ocean, and they had an entire empire to police, and native populations to exploit and massacre; unruly colonists that weren’t particularly profitable simply weren’t worth the effort. In contrast, the CAS and Union armies were largely fighting without help from other countries, and there was no ocean separating them. The result was that the US Civil War directly resulted in the deaths of 2.5% of the US population at the time; if that happened now, that would be 8.5M direct deaths.
The colonists won because Britain quit. The CAS lost to the Union decisively.
If we repeated the civil war today, I would anticipate that it would be far, far bloodier than it was in the 1860s, because it wouldn’t be rows of conscripts shooting at each other from point-blank range. It would be guerillas fighting on one side, and the other side bombing the shit out of cities and indiscriminately killing civilians.
There seems to be this idea that it’d be this nice clean break, everyone happy to part ways, and not, at the very least, embargos and trade war, and at the very most all out war. “America” would stand to lose a lot by having it’s coadtlines secede, to the point that they couldn’t allow it to happen. It would benefit no one in the short term, and I’m not sure it would survive into the long term.
Right, because laws can’t ever be broken lmao
As a New England resident: Canada, if you’re listening, make us your new province.
How do you feel about swearing allegiance to HM George, King of Canada?
Not gonna lie; I always liked the British royal family (Though I liked The Queen better and Prince Harry even more). When I had cable, I kept William and Kate’s wedding on my DVR multiple times (but as a fellow Katherine, I’m biased)
I thought there was a sizeable anti-royalist contingent in Canada? Since any “reallocation” of states into provinces would likely imply some level of negotiation and horse trading, maybe this is also an opportunity for Canada to splitting off from the Commonwealth Nations, or at least no longer accepting the royal family as meaningful in any regard. Idk how that would work, that sound to me like it’d be workable.
There is, and maybe. But reforming our system probably shouldn’t be done with American input.
Please call it the Pacific States of America
