A new bid to place a measure on the ballot that would ask California voters to approve the state's secession from the U.S. has been cleared for signature gathering.
  • Godric@lemmy.world
    235·
    5 days ago

    1. Brexit was clever wordplay, every proposal since hasn’t been. Fuckin “Calexit”, do better.

    2. Yeah, you don’t get to just leave a country. Believe it or not, there was actually at least one war about that!

    3. Fuck CBS for their cancer ass website.

  • Majorllama@lemmy.world
    253·
    6 days ago

    God dammit I find this so fucking hilarious. Every time a Republican wins you’ll inevitably see an article talking about California is to leave. And on the flip side every time we get a Democrat in office fuckin Texas starts bitching and tryna leave.

    I’m not going to say it’ll never happen, but I would be willing to bet all the 7 dollars I have to my name that it’s not gonna happen.

    • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world
      9·
      5 days ago

      Well in fairness, the pendulum keeps swinging farther with each new administration. So the split is never going to happen until it does. No way to know if this is the time or not. But unless something happens to break the cycle of more and more extremism, their will be a serious attempt at a split eventually. Weather it results in some kind of civil war where one side forces the other to stay, or a split actually happens is also unknowable.

    • superkret@feddit.org
      9·
      5 days ago

      Likely.
      Russia’s goal isn’t to support Republicans.
      Russia’s goal is to support anything and everything that splits the USA and NATO apart.

  • Freefall@lemmy.world
    43·
    4 days ago

    This is stupid and a pointless gesture. Do something more productive with your time.

  • Pacattack57@lemmy.world
    149·
    5 days ago

    Terrible idea not only for Californians but also the rest of America. Yes California produces a lot and has a huge economy but succeeding would remove almost any big tech headquarters immediately. Silicon valley would be dead. No company is going to willingly pay export fees for every single product they make. They will all move their headquarters somewhere they can freely sell to the other 49 states and force the export fees on California

    The additional import/export taxes on top of all the retalitory tariffs that would be placed on the citizens would be crazy.

    • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      21·
      5 days ago

      The article basically says they will form a committee to investigate how to mitigate this type of problem.

      Even if it’s a terrible idea economically (which it probably is), it may still have support from an ideological perspective, and that depends just how messed up federal politics becomes in the next 3 years.

      Brexit was really only purportedly economically motivated - it was really an ideological idea.

    • quixote84@midwest.socialEnglish
      41·
      5 days ago

      Not to mention that it would be utterly non-functional for all states which share water from the Colorado River to not be part of the same organizational unit. Any smaller secession than that would lead to instant water wars.

      • meyotch@slrpnk.net
        1·
        4 days ago

        https://www.usgs.gov/media/images/watershed-map-north-america

        This is a watershed map of North America that expresses your point visually. Every colored area is drained by a different major river system. The Central Valley and urban centers of socal draw heavily from the Colorado watershed which would otherwise drain naturally into the sea of cortez in Baja Mexico.

        It’s a sticky wicket once you think these things through.

        And I have! It will result in snapping the USA nearly in half.

  • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
    437·
    6 days ago

    Okay, but then California becomes a smaller country bordering a much larger fascist neighbor with the largest military in the world.

    In what world is that a good outcome?

    • theherk@lemmy.world
      363·
      6 days ago

      They’d become a pretty large country with one of the world’s largest economies holding major port access to their neighbor. A few allies and things aren’t quite so clear cut. Not to mention they’d potentially have significant military resources.

      • cristo@lemmy.worldEsperanto
        21·
        5 days ago

        If you think the US military wouldn’t immediately remove all assets from California you’d be sorely mistaken. There is no way that the fed would allow assets like that to be given away to a successionist movement. Even if they didn’t, California doesn’t have the logistic ability to maintain those assets for more than id say 3 months.

        • theherk@lemmy.world
          12·
          5 days ago

          If you think you know exactly how all installations, including National Guard Installations, would operate in a situation of this magnitude, I envy your blind certitude.

      • superkret@feddit.org
        71·
        5 days ago

        That economy is tightly integrated with the rest of the country.
        In a secession, those ties would be severed, likely tanking the economy of both California and the US.

        • theherk@lemmy.world
          5·
          5 days ago

          That’s definitely possible. I’m not saying it would be a good thing. The only thing I feel confident about is that we do not know. A lot isn’t as it once seemed right now. Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!

    • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
      121·
      6 days ago

      If they do start to secede or actually secede than it just becomes an expensive and complicated mess that doesn’t help anyone. Because even if they are forced back then the larger federation has to work ten times harder to keep them in place and cooperative and in the end becomes a net negative where they have to decide if it’s cheaper to let go or keep paying to stay together.

      Ask a Canadian what it means because we’ve had that discussion many times with Quebec and less often with other regions. It’s far cheaper for everyone to be cooperative and mutually benefiting one another on good terms than to threaten anyone into a corner … and even when things are working, it’s still not easy.

    • peregrin5@lemm.eeEnglish
      4·
      5 days ago

      Oregon and Washington would probably do the same if California seceded. (Which it won’t). If BC Canada left, Cascadia would be a thing that is large and prosperous enough to stand on it’s own. That or the three states just join Canada.

  • dilroopgill@lemmy.world
    141·
    6 days ago

    Itd never happen but secessions not an unpopular opinion whenever it’s mentioned here, only republicans that have repeatedly said they want to leave and move out hate the idea for some reason

  • jagged_circle@feddit.nlEnglish
    11·
    5 days ago

    Shit my CA driver’s license expired. Does that mean I’ll need to apply for citizenship or will old residents be good?

  • Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
    43·
    4 days ago

    The remaining Blue States should do the same. Common sense should prevail and it would allow the MAGAts to create their racist neo-Nazi White Christian slave run utopia dictatorship without resistance from those who support the US Constitution.

  • Alex@lemmy.world
    209·
    5 days ago

    Fight for better more fair representation, secession solves nothing.

    • Cryan24@lemmy.world
      152·
      5 days ago

      It will take a massive chunk out of federal funding to reduce states most of whom don’t pull equal weight