Where he’s coming from, based on what I’ve seen, is the assertion that Ukraine was in civil war before the 2022 invasion (basically true), and that the eastern separatists (who were indeed fighting Ukraine’s government) were being killed.
It’s also true that there was corruption, and some democratic backsliding, prior to the invasion (not that the US or Russia have any leg to stand on there).
The kool-aid part is that the separatists were fighting to “free” western Ukraine from the tyrannical govt, and that Russia finally invaded to save and “relieve” these noble citizens who want to be part of Russia. That everyone would vote this way if some elections weren’t suspended. This conveniently leaves out the first Russian invasion, propaganda efforts and so much more.
This is why Ukraine “started it.” They just kept attacking these rebels and forced Russia to intervene… I guess. On Putin’s side, it ties into the idea of an oppressed population yearning to be one with Russia again.
…What I am getting at is, with the MASSIVE intelligence apparatus at his disposal, Trump is guzzling this kool aid. He’s not a two faced dictator, he believes the propaganda and has swallowed the hook.
I think that is even scarier than a real “dictator.” Even if you buy into the whole “America First” philosophy (which has some merits at least), it means Trump can make monumentally bad decisions that don’t follow this mandate or even benefit him, as his view is totally warped.
Didn’t Russia use this tactic to annex part of Georgia’s territory back in 2008?
IIRC yes.
It would have worked again if the second invasion hadn’t trended so much, encouraging other countries to intervene, and if Ukraine itself hadn’t put up such a staunch, united resistance.
It also didn’t help that Crimea kept on popping up here and there too.
The alleged reason why Russia attacked was because they want a buffer zone of neutral countries around them. Apparently the US has been running its agenda pushing for Eastern European countries to join NATO knowing it’d stir some shit by ruffling Russia’s delicate feathers. So Russia panicked when Ukraine looked to join NATO at the US’s suggestion and basically used the gay panic defense but for the Western allegiance arriving in their backyard and invaded under a pretext.
Yes, the USA did ignore Russia’s concerns knowingly (and did some very questionable shit inside Ukraine, as usual) but Russia imagined the worst scenario for themselves and did the illegal shit.
He is the king idiot criminal leading a pack of losers.
After all, we’ve always been at war with Eastasia…
It’s honestly uncanny. Not the similarities, but that one of the most commonly assigned books in the public school system is so blatantly disregarded.
Well, most people just remember it as the book where the government watches you, but that’s a very minor part of it. I’m guessing the parts that are remembered/forgotten are on purpose.
it also gets entirely framed as being about the dangers of socialism when really it’s about how fascism adopts the imagery of socialism to do what it does
Russasia has always been our ally.
The Ministry of Truth can’t be wrong.
They’ve already started their Newspeak.
He just had a meeting with Russia, he just listens to th last guy who spoke to him. Zero long term memory
He’s also been shown to be ridiculously susceptible to flattery and pomp, two things Moscow can provide in spades, with little cost to themselves. He also seemingly genuinely believes, that there is nothing more to politics but raw self-interest and primitive power displays, when there’s a reason your edgy teenage friend didn’t stumble upon some higher wisdom when claiming that about the world.
President Dickhead Dory
When I woke up this morning I saw the headline and I thought “here we go again”. I watched the video and my impression is that he said that sentence in his classic dementia rambling, right after it he said “he should have ended it”.
Basically he was blaming Zelensky for not having negotiated right away and Biden for not having pushed for it.
Not sure if this makes it any better, but at least I got the impression he mispoke saying that particular thing.
No, I’m done giving him the benefit of the doubt. The President of the United States should be able to clearly articulate a thought.
This is not giving him any benefit of the doubt, it’s trying to understand what he wanted to say given the fact that he is not able to articulate a thought. That is what I understood from the video, he rambles all the time and says random stuff, I think it’s a matter of fact he can’t articulate a thought. Sure, it’s a disgrace that one of the most powerful men in the world (if not the most) can’t do that, but here we are.
I genuinely hate this asshole with every fiber of my being and I will celebrate the day that he kicks the bucket.
I will drink so much champagne on that day.
Revisionist history much?
He’s a bully who thinks it’s morally wrong for targets to not just lie there and take the beating, waiting for death.
meanwhile he is threatening allies with invasions
We should be threatening to give Alaska to Canada rather than threatening to make Canada the 51st state.
“let’s make a deal! you give me all your land and everything in it, and i won’t just waltz in and take it!..probably. maybe.”
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Trump showing a perfect display of rapist mentality.
No reason not to when grabbing them by the pussy gets you a cult following.
The fuck is wrong with people?
“My guy won, fuck you” - US voters
I don’t think that most Trump supporters generally approved of Trump having said, at some point well in the past, that he should grab women by the pussy.
I just don’t think that they viewed it as a particularly weighty issue.
I mean, I’d really rather that Bill Clinton didn’t get a blowjob in the Oval Office from an intern. But, end of the day, that’s weighed against everything else one cares about. Most Democratic voters just didn’t care that much about it, not enough to override the other things they care about.
I think that Trump has done things that should be disqualifying, like claiming that he didn’t lose the election to try to score political points. That might be a more-compelling thing to argue about. But Trump being crude well prior to being President…shrugs
I think an even better argument is that a lot of the things that supporters thought Trump would do are bad ideas, but you’re going to have a hard time selling large chunks of Americans on that.
I know you didn’t outright say it, but your comment kind of implied that sexual assault is the same as a consensual sexual act. Both parties in the Clinton situation were okay with what was going on in the moment, Trump is talking about getting away with molesting multiple women. This implication fucking sucks.
I don’t think that most Trump supporters generally approved of Trump having said, at some point well in the past, that he should grab women by the pussy.
Unfortunately, I’ve met several that do approve. Much in the same way that trump praises putin in a longing, “I wish I could pull that off” sort of way, they admire that shit.
I’d also argue that that sort of stuff crosses a line beyond just being crude. That’s not to imply that he’s not also doing horrible and stupid things policy-wise, but the comment to which I replied was specifically about his rapist mentality.
Distraction. They say this bloat on purpose to bog us down with nonsense. Ignore it, he hates that more than anything.
But what was Ukraine wearing?
Asking the real questions
That’s right Ukraine was just asking for it. There they were within their own borders minding their own business giving russia no choice but to attack.
“Stupid, sexy Ukraine.”
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Russia invaded as a disguise for support for Ukraine?
That’s an “interesting” take.
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Lol, I don’t think anyone is interested in hearing the opinions of someone who still thinks it’s cool to sport a v for vendetta mask… What are you, a 15 year old from 2007?
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Peace is possible but only if Puttler fucked right off.
Puttler has shown he doesn’t care for lives, he bombs innocent people all day. He didnt stop at Crimea back then so why would he stop now?
Its not Ukraine that sacrifices lives its Puttler.
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As many as the Ukrainian people are willing to sacrifice. They get to decide.
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I’m not Ukrainian, I live half a world away. This is not my determination to make.
Where are you from, buddy?
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I’m advocating for Ukrainians deciding what to do with their own country. Nothing more nothing less.
I’m an immigrant to Canada. My ancestors fought several of these freedom wars against overwhelming odds. Everything in my national identity demands I respect Ukrainians making the call on that, just like my ancestors did. I would be a disgrace to my ancestors if I didn’t.
If Ukrainians decide that it’s “freedom of death”, that’s for them to decide, just like my ancestors got to decide exactly the same question at least 3-4 times in the past 200 years.
But you didn’t answer my question. Your post history suggests you’re a yank, your account name suggests indigenous ancestry. Which is it? Basically, how much do you have any fucking clue what a national liberation struggle is?
It’s hard to understand what you are saying, please take Putins dick out of your mouth before speaking
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No, the invading force shaped the entire thing. Stop normalising invading countries asshole
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STFU.
Moron’s gonna moron
Russia literally started it when they invaded the first time. Trump would lose his mind if we lost even the tip of Florida to mexico… Seems inane to me, don’t make shit up that’s obviously a lie. Tell it like it is he thinks “Ukraine would be better under a united Russian federation.” That’s it. That’s what Putin wants. For a tiny man Putin sure has swung a big metal dick around. Genuinely wonder what would happen now that he’s old, if one of the younger, stronger, physically better, nation leaders wooped his ass in a meeting, like, tazed him, took any poison you know the bastard is carrying. Let him recover. Then woop the ever loving piss out of the ol vinegar bucket. Make him cry uncle and don’t stop until he does. Sure he’s a little man with a little sensitive ego, who would start a war for such an encroachment, but what would happen if you just kept woopin until he pleaded, and swore no wars would take place? I bet he would keep to his word if you brought him to tears, he’s never been wooped like that really, no scars to show like John McCain had from actually being hurt, and Putin’s had spy training so at least some level of training against torture, so crying would likely be about the point you shatter his rotator cuff in an arm bar while belittling him for being so weak… But if not you just start grabbing parts of his body and bending it the wrong direction until the job is done, he claims “he’s old and fell down the stairs” like Mitch McConnel keeps doing, and the public moves on. I’m just sayins all, he’s an old constipated bitch, your belly shouldnt distend like that if you aren’t fat, and you definitely don’t have abs if your belly distends like that… So poop. Half his weight in pure, backed up, shit. I bet most teenagers could probably take him in a fair fight. Maybe if the poverty rate in Russia wasn’t so high he could have gotten Ukraine to rejoin on their own for the merits it included, but looks to me like Russia wanted the mineral rights that trump tried to trade for.
