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Summary
Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.
Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.
During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.
The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”
The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.
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I’m glad we get to see this shameful display. I wouldn’t talk to a dog like that, much less the democratically elected leader of another sovereign nation that’s an ally. The US used to be a beacon of freedom and diplomacy, but clearly we shouldn’t expect that from the current regime.
Europe will keep supporting Ukraine regardless, but it really is in the US’ interests to stay involved in this conflict. It’s disconcerting that Trump can’t seem to grasp that basic fact.
It’s also just so weak.
Not that macho’ism should be a major point or even desirable trait for a world leader IMO, but so many people like Trump because he’s allegedly strong. Yet when I watch the above clip I just keep thinking “he’s so weak and soft and overly sensitive to essentially everything.” Like how can you want a tough leader, then watch that exchange and think “Trump is tough.” What?
That’s my main takeaway. If you want to appear stronk leedr, this isn’t it. This just makes you seem desperate because your russian money givers are getting impatient.
Trump won’t even say daddy’s name half the time. You can watch him hold back. Amusing.
I hope that the rest of the world is taking notes and realizing that they cannot rely on the current US government to uphold its side of any prior agreements (or even the basic tenets of etiquette in civil discourse).
I hope that every country that does most of its trade with the US is quietly looking for new markets.
I hope that Republican isolationism actually comes to pass so that the entire population of the US can feel exactly how painful it will be to cut themselves off from the rest of the world. And then in two years, I hope enough people will get off their asses and vote against the people who let it happen.
It also feels like it was all planned. From his time on TV Trump knows a lot about creating drama. First we have “he’s a dictator”, everyone expects Trump to be against Ukraine. Then in episode 2 there’s a twist - France and Britain show up and Trump is very amenable to give people hope again, and finally it all blows up in a dramatic clash. Trump even tells us “that’s why I let it go on so long… its going to make great television”.
The whole thing was about telling the story that Trump is the strong peace seeking negotiator and it all fell through because zelensky won’t be reasonable and is trying to take advantage of the US who he doesn’t respect.
There can be absolutely zero doubt that Trump is a Russian stooge
He doesn’t have to be Russian stooge to be evil, and to behave like one too
True. He is though.
All his assets are tied in Russian money. It’s not even hidden
As usual, Trump is projecting. Someone is “gambling with WWIII,” but it sure ain’t Zelenskyy.
Trump’s Hot Take: If someone breaks into your home, begins stealing stuff and murdering your family, just stand by. You don’t want to cause a stir.
Trump’s Hot Take: Give me half your stuff and I’ll help you stop that other thief/murderer.
It’s a great deal because he’s gonna take everything.
He’s specifically saying he won’t help them stop Russia he’s saying he’ll help a cease fire which Russia always breaks, legit I don’t know of a single cease fire Russia has ever honored.
Even with Sweden they’d lose make peace then try again
Yeah and when you go to take that deal, he and his little brother berate you, blame you for being the victim, and tell you the deal’s off.
US gets to be the Nazis this time.
Are we taking turns or…?
On my turn I vote we just do a lot of speed and forget about all the rest of it. Maybe we’ll do some amateur rocketry too
+100
Anyone who thought this would work out differently was simply not paying attention or was being willfully ignorant.
US provided a deal Zelinsky simply could not sign and they knew it. Chump set Zelinsky up for this shit show cause, in his world, Chump either gets the deal he wants or he gets to act/look tough.
And how masculine/tough to have Couchie there backing him up cause Chump isn’t brave enough to do it all on his own.
And, of course, all concludes with disastrous results all around.
🤦♀️ 🖕 🖕 🤡
Someone is “gambling with WWIII,
Could it be the deranged wanna-be dictator/mobster, and associates, who want to seize Canada, Greenland and Panama?
Trump wants zelenaky to take peace at any cost… Zelenaky won’t take that offer and wants assurances. Trump insults him as a war monger who wants ww3??
God what an example of political double speak. Trump is a lying idiot and he’s the one gambling with ww3
Honestly fuck it we know appeasment doesn’t work, I’d rather have WW3 now when Ruzzia is still just a middle power with a ton of second hand equipment than let them take half of eastern europe and build up some serious strength before finally having WW3 anyway.
Any government who spend billions on wars is gambling with WWIII
I just saw an ad for G20, a fiction where some terrorists kidnap all the leaders of the G20 at the meeting. But don’t worry, the US president frees herself, and she’s going full Liam Neeson to free everyone and get revenge.
LOL completely unbelievable
What would instead happen with the US president that is in charge now: if you free me I will help you with all your requests and I will personally execute the hostages
I’ve heard shows like Madam Secretary and The West Wing be considered, akin to Star Trek, “competence porn.”
The idea, the fantasy, that the people making the critical decisions that affect so many people are consulting experts, weighing heavy costs, consulting the law, and are kept up at night because they care so deeply for making the best call they can so they don’t let down all those who depend on them. These characters have been role models for leadership for generations at this point.
And here we are, in a complete fever dream of a failed state: With a convicted felon and failed reality show TV personality, his foreign billionaire handler, and a weak spineless, loud little dweeb we all forgot was even vice… burning the last vestiges of peace and goodwill all around themselves, handing us and our allies over in a competition with other fascists to be the world’s worst enemies, screaming at world leaders, destroying the environment out of spite, and heck, shilling beans from the oval office. Because why not.
Who’s close enough to this to do something about it? Where are the competent ones who will regain control of the bridge from these terrorists? Yeah, where’s our “G20 president”?
Well, I just remembered, we need to support people like Governor Janet Mills of Maine , and empower anyone any everyone who will stand up against this bullying.
Fucking Idiocracy is competence porn at this point, Camacho was an idiot but damn was he actually really competent if you think about the events of the movie.
Absolutely. Something about that movie’s premise was that the ignorance and takeover of corporate influence was the villain, but the leaders were just ignorant and rowdy, not actively acting out of hatred and malice towards… Everyone.
You’re right, been awhile since I’ve seen it but Camacho was being a tank-driving grenade-launching nut just to look cool. He didn’t aspire to invade neighbors or anything that we’re shown.
Once they could be taught, they could be reasoned with, even with their inflated egos, and they moved shockingly quickly to correct things because they wanted to be good, well-liked leaders, they just didn’t know how. (Oh, and limited film runtime lol)
You know, it’s known for it’s cynical humor but at its heart, I’d almost say it has a “noble dark” (as opposed to “grimdark”) tone: The world sucks, but the characters are shown to have a desire to do good at their core, once they see past the bullshit! :)
I’d go a bit further and say Camacho was actually pretty proactive, he did after all institute that nation wide intelligence test to find someone to tell him how to fix everything, and was humble enough to listen to that person once he found him.
I really like The West Wing. I’m currently going through it again.
It was always a hopeful show, but these days even the ‘bad guys’ in it start to look pretty appealing compared to what’s actually in the White House. At least the ones on the West Wing had fairly mundane motives and could be worked with to some extent.
If they made a current show inspired the actual White House, it would look more like Idiocracy than competency porn…
“But I am the king!!!”
And then to top off his hissy fit, he kicked Zelenskyy out. Like the diaper wearing toddler he is.
America is an enemy to freedom, democracy, and peace to the world; Americans just haven’t felt it yet.
They will soon when the dictatorship turns violent, after all checks and balances are removed.
As an American, We felt it the first time he was in office. And Bush, and so many other times before. This time is different. It’s unhinged and there’s no end in sight. And the scary part is that a large portion of people here apparently WANTED this. Some of them are silent now, some are attempting to amp it up further and no one I know that voted for this feels any thing is wrong.
There are changes being made on a whim with an axe that will take decades or longer to be rectified and lots that never could be. I’ve never felt as disappointed and ashamed of the country I live in as I do now and I know it will get worse… much worse. Buckle up folks, it’s going to be a bump ride and Disney didn’t write this tale so there’s no happily ever after.
And I’m reminding everyone to GO VOTE!
I’ve never felt as disappointed and ashamed of the country
Most intelligent and decent people are ashamed or embarrassed of the U.S. today.
There are those of us that feel it. We have felt it. We pleaded for people to vote for Harris. We tried to tell people how serious the situation was. It didn’t matter.
Transgender Americans and other minority groups are feeling it for sure. It’s just not the white suburban traditional family Americans who have felt the pinch yet (aside from the price of eggs).
Yeah, as i canadian I hope the petition is signed to allow trans folk to claim refugee status goes somewhere
Krasnov performed exactly as his master, Putin, instructed. The Russians have landed - in the White House.
Then he cut off all aid to Ukraine for rebuilding their power grid.
Yup, i saw that too. What a fucking petulant child
A petulant child *operating at the behest of a foreign dictator. This whole Stupid Show he’s put on around Ukraine has proven he has Putin’s dick so far up his ass that it does all the talking for him.
Yes 100% I never questioned that part!
You’ll never convince your typical Trump voter that it’s true is the main fucking issue though.
I don’t think you have to. Plenty of them see Putin as the “strong leader” they want.
Yeah, accuse someone who just wants his country to survive a constant and ongoing aggression of “gambling with World War III”, and kiss the ass of the aggressor despot who constantly threatens to nuke the world if someone looks at him wrong.
That was harder to watch than Isis beheadings
Trump is such a piece of shit, zelensky showed so much restraint. I think I would have slapped that traitor into the next dimension
Remind me what Trump’s Russian asset code name is?
Ah yes, President Krasnov.
King Krasnov
FTFY
He reminds me of the president of Belarus too. That’s not good for the future of America.
The straight to not knee this fatfuck retards head in while sitting so close to him must be immense.
That was painful to watch. Trump and Vence were pathetic and the end rambling about Biden, laptop, wtf was that? If Kamala did then same they would have taken her by force to a mental institution.
Zelenskyy is a goddamn hero
fuck trump fuck vance fuck musk fuck putin
He’s not a hero lol
Most people would have taken the ride offer out of Kiev in 2022. That alone made him a hero. This new incident just adds even more to his hero status
He’s not a hero lol
And his most heroic act was not punching the old fart in the teeth
I imagine it would be quite cathartic
Zelenskyy is a goddamn hero
He’s far from being a hero. Zelenskyy just happens to be the president of a country being invaded, if trump was in his place you would be here calling him a hero. Zelenskyy is the president of an authoritarian government who turned to martial law and is drafting people by force while not allowing any male between 18-60 to leave the country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Ukraine#2024
“In 2023, harsher methods of mobilization began to be used, such as road blocks, business raids, and pulling people from the streets. In the latter half of 2023, videos surfaced online showing Ukrainian men violently dragged into vans and driven to the military recruiting centers”
Zelenskyy is the president of an authoritarian government who turned to martial law
Active invasion of their country from Belarus and Russia. What a brain dead take.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Russia
Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics
The mobilization was accompanied by mass raids on men of military age. In the enterprises of the region, up to 80% of employees were called up, which led to shutdown of mines and public transport, as well as the paralysis of cities and public services. To avoid mobilization, residents hid or tried to illegally leave the republics.[21]
Recruitment of prisoners
Implementation
It was reported that Russian authorities were targeting poor, homeless and people from poorer regions of Russia for conscription.[79][80] Russian authorities drafted detained protestors with no previous military experience, including a 17-year-old boy who was arrested at an anti-war demonstration in Moscow.[81]
On 14 April 2023, Putin signed into law a bill that would allow authorities to issue electronic summons to draftees.[92][93] The law blocks anyone eligible for military service who has received a digital summons from leaving the country.[94] Russian lawyer Valeria Vetoshkina called it a “hidden mobilization.” According to Russian economist Konstantin Sonin, “Now, any person, regardless of whether he took a summons or not, [or] has an account with Gosuslugi or not, can be arrested and convicted for not going to war.”[95] Russian lawyer and human rights activist Ivan Pavlov said that the “only option is to leave the country as soon as possible, but there is very little time for that.”[96]
Thanks for reporting on the draft in russia too. Forced conscription is form of slavery and a violation of human rights, it should be abolished and every person should fight against it and against the governments forcing it on people.
When two countries drafting people by force and not allowing them to leave the country get into a war you get a total disaster where poor people are forced to murder each others. The rulers and government behind these authoritarian polices are criminal and enemies of humanity.
When two countries drafting people by force and not allowing them to leave the country get into a war you get a total disaster where poor people are forced to murder each others
In this situation, one country got into a war. The other is defending its sovereign territory.
So if russia were to be attacked by china would it be ok for them to draft people by force to defend their sovereign territory? If you were someone living in russia would you be ok with putin goons arresting you if you try to leave the country?
What an abhorrent example of humanity they both are and what an embarrassment to the world this is.
I’m assuming you mean Trump and Vance.
Ha! Given the insanity of this interview, I didn’t think I needed to clarify.
You shouldn’t, but check out this Politico article started with:
Russian leaders cheered after President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance dealt Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy a brutal smackdown in the Oval Office Friday
It’s amazing how we see a petulant man-child throwing a fit and they see “a brutal smackdown”. The propaganda is evident.
Another right wing propaganda:
These people are absolutely fucking insane.
If you look on ground news you can see all the different ways this was covered by news media. They’re all pretty fucked up to be honest, but surprisingly, there is some right-wing media covering it in a more sane way.
(This is not a paid ad I just like ground news)
remember you guys. peace day 1! trump never lies
They did this exactly why they staged this - so they can point a finger and say “Zelensky is not ready for peace” which btw is literally a real quote trump said just now
