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U.S. President Donald Trump has ordered a suspension of all military aid to Ukraine, escalating pressure on President Volodymyr Zelensky mere days after a heated exchange in the Oval Office cast doubt on U.S. support for Kyiv.
A senior Defense Department official told Bloomberg that all U.S. military assistance to Ukraine is on hold until Trump determines that Ukrainian leaders are making a genuine effort toward peace.
The pause affects not only future aid but also weapons already in transit, including shipments on aircraft and ships, as well as equipment awaiting transfer in Poland.
Edit: changed source from Bloomberg to Kyiv Independent b/c there’s no paywall and more detail in the story.
Is there a historical precedent for punishing the defender for daring to successfully resist invasion by a third country?
Finland had to accept responsibility for being invaded by Russia. Also, they had to give away land mass that Russia failed to grab. Also, they had to give up some sovereignty. Also, they had to pay ginormous reparations and sign deals to buy army stuff from Russia.
Nice army stuff, though. I’ve been in a 1995 KRAZ with a wood frame for the driver. Also they don’t have a tap for draining motor oil, because who would expect them yo return from the frontlines?
Does it matter at all? Trump is compromised and is actively working for Putin. This is transparent and not being denied. Is there precedent for a puppet to do whatever he’s told by his master? Yes, lots.
Let’s be very clear, it’s not just Trump, but the ENTIRE GOD DAMN administration that has been, and is, being put into place. Hegseth already told our intelligence teams to stop looking into Russia.
If Trump was luigied tomorrow, an entire government is now in place to allow whatever they want to happen, to happen. It wouldn’t even matter if he was gone.
I think a lot of the problems with the current administration wouldn’t change if Trump was Luigied. Dismantling our federal institutions, consolidating power in the executive branch, stripping away human rights - all those things would continue.
However, I think that the support for Putin nearly exclusively comes from Trump himself.
It is being denied. Had some chud on here mocking me the other day (at about a 4th grade writing level) for saying as much.
Yeah that shit happens all the time throughout history, actually. Especially when colonized countries dared to fight back against colonizers.
Economic sanctions on the early RSFSR after the Bolsheviks defeated the English, French, Italian, USA coalition that invaded them in the Russian Civil War.
Gaza
Palestine. Maybe not successfully, but note that the idea that Palestinians have the same natural right to armed self defense as any other group is completely absent from mainstream political discourse. Most simply cannot even comprehend that the Palestinians should have just as much right to kill to defend themselves as Israelis do. Partly this is due to colonialism. Part of it is classism. The violence of the Israelis is clean and high tech. The violence of the Palestinians is crude and performed with simple weapons. We judge the morality of violence based upon the wealth of the people committing the violence.
No, you don’t get it. These Palestinian kids are brainwashed from birth to hate Israel and the Jewish peoples. They have school books that teach them to hate Israelis and Israel.
/s but sadly not because the above is something I literally heard around me for years. I believed it until I met someone from Palestine who explained yes those books do exist and they are called history books.
Is it a third country if the one punishing is a proxy of said country?
The peace agreement between Napoleon and Austria included Napoleon taking independent (but in the coalition) Venice.
It was kind of an awful elitist place but it was also the oldest democracy in the world at the time. Napoleon destroyed that, and all the monestaries. You can see the ruins of them around the lagoon if you visit.
It’s like appeasement again only worse, because at least the motivation for appeasement was ostensibly to avoid conflict.
It’s like the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
This time we elected a Nazi as President.
And funny enough, it’s also literally true in addition to being metaphorically true.
I kinda wonder what people in the 3 letter agencies are thinking right now. I would hope that enough of these agencies actually view Trump as a fundamental threat to democracy, because he actually is. People have warned for this to happen, for a while now, even though many are surprised at the speed at which it happens. But still, you would kind of hope for some of these agencies to actually stand for the constitution, instead of for the ruling party and his current president.
The US is so much more than just the current political ruling class. It’s sad that there seems at least, to be so little visible opposition to their efforts to derail the US geopolitical power and to overthrow the system of law and order. One who the Republicans should hold deep, and definitely the people who pledge their allegiance to the constitution. I wonder if it would have gone different if someone like Saunders or Obama would have tried a similar play.
the modern cia couldnt assassinate their way out of a cardboard bag
Derailing US political power is a good thing. Not good for the US, but good for the world.
Giving russia more power won’t be any better for the world at large.
Are we also derailing Chinese and Russian power, and magically disarming all the nukes? Or are we just shitting on America and hoping nobody realizes that means there’s going to be a power vacuum?
We will see. Pax Americana has been a hugely stabilizing force in many regions around the world. If an empire falls, fighting over the power vacuum commences. Empires get replaced by chaos and eventually other empires.
The three letter agencies haven’t ever really been known for their respect of the constitution 😅…
Each time I read “Trump orders”, “Trump does X”, I always ask myself: “Wait, can he do that? Congress? House? Judiciary? Cheks? Balances? Hellooooooooooo…?”…
… but this is still the first few months of his second term. At this pace, he will be a literal king in a few more months.
A scary prospect to say the least, and I hope it’s not too late for America to do something about this. This should not be normalized. This cannot be normalized.
Laws only have value as long as someone is willing to enforce them. It’s all a social construct.
I’m not from the US and am far from being a legal expert, but your country appears to be close to being lawless (or is getting there at an accelerated pace).
I mean it’s really not close to lawless, it’s just we’ve decided one man is king and can’t do anything illegal
This just proves that american gloating over their “checks and balances” was bullshit all along. US will never live this down.
The shitty thing is, the checks and balances kind of still exist but the people in charge of them approve everything Trump is doing.
And then the constituents who are in charge of voting those people out ALSO approve of what they are doing and/or are too ignorant to notice. (Any illegal tampering with voter rolls and ballots notwithstanding)
How does one fix the culture of an entire nation? Ugh.
I’m not an American but considering only 22% or so of population actually voted for trump I’m not sure you’re right that entire US culture is just broken. Maybe the attack is just so effective that even with 80% resistance it’s successful. I mean dudes wrote an entire plan book on in.
Maybe it’s time to come to terms that the system is simply vulnerable. I come from infosec background and it seems quite clear to me that US democracy is just incredibly vulnerable to attacks despite the “checks and balances” memes.
Oh yeah, I think it’s both, to be sure.
The average us citizen doesn’t have a solid grasps of how our government actually works.
Defunding education and gutting curriculum and removing civics education has … been impactful.
I’d say the average republican does have a solid grasp of how the government works, seeing the extremely high activity of Trump’s government. Turns out the “checks and balances” and the “branches of government” and all of that shit only serves to slow down progressive policy. When it’s about bombing brown kids or defending healthcare, policy can speed through the fucking system
Checks and balances are only are good as the morals of the people enforcing them.
So they don’t formally exist and the entire political game is just about whether you choose the good or the bad representatives, and all knowledge and legislation about institutions is liable to be simply ignored without penalty
Even through speaking of theoreticals, I firmly believe that no societal system can ever work if the vast majority of people are shallow and cruel. The closest thing would be a benevolent monarchy, but that benevolent monarch would still need soldiers to enforce rulings, and then some of those enforcers would end up being shallow/cruel, etc…
I mean, yeah, if everyone stopped enforcing laws then there are no laws. It’s not like there is a machine that does it.
This is what got him impeached the first time, right?
Kind of. Last time he was trying to get them to say they were investigating Hunter Biden, so somethithathat would more directly benefit himself. This time I guess he wants the US to have the rights to all their minerals, which I don’t even understand how that would work, but I guess that could be seen as benefitting the US if you’re a total psychopath.
Yup, although that’s not going to happen this time around.
So the record currently stands at…
Zelensky - Let’s try a deal, we just need security guarantees
Trump - Why are you so Disrespectful?
Zelensky - Let’s try a deal, we just need security guarantees
Trump - Putin is a victim we’re undoing sanctions
Zelensky - Let’s try a deal, we just need security guarantees
Trump - Why won’t Zelensky do a deal?
Zelensky - Let’s try a deal, we just need security guarantees
Trump - We’re stopping Aid.
The US won’t provide the security guarantees Zelenskyy is asking for. He can try getting them from European countries though, but they do not seem willing to provide them either.
At least count I’m pretty sure the UK, Sweden, and Australia have all said they’d be willing to put troops into Ukraine for peacekeeping.
UK has stated in no uncertain terms that they require US involvement in order to put troops into Ukraine for peacekeeping. I’m not sure about Sweden & Australia.
I hadn’t heard that. Nice to know we can still count on the UK to follow us down the rabbit hole of insanity.
😂
Yep. That pretty much summarizes it.
In exchange for what from Russia?
Russia has supported Trump and helped him to get elected and become a dictator. They’re going to continue the support. The deal is dictatorship in the US for Trump and dictatorship in Europe for Putin.
Mineral access after Ukraine falls. Not even like legit access for US companies, but like they do for oligarchs in Russia. Also now they might let him be the one to take out Zelensky to get back at him for not being grateful enough.
Get back at him for not manufacturing dirt on biden
Not even like legit access for US companies, but like they do for oligarchs in Russia
Our legitimate mining corporations, their evil oligarchic resource exploiters
Russians agent, we are all witnessing soulles pigs destroy democracy and the lifes of millions for their own gains
Who had ‘Trump Picks a Fight With Zelenskyy In Order To Justify Pulling out Of Aid Agreements- Thereby Allowing Russia To Walk On In And Take What They Want’ on their bingo card?
We all saw this coming, right? The whole bullshit forced argument he created… Tell me I’m not the only one that knew this was set-up to justify withdrawing all support and letting Russia have Ukraine.
Isn’t this more or less what T-bag said he would do?
You don’t know that, and I’m skeptical that Trump would go to that much trouble to come up with an excuse. He hasn’t needed an excuse to do anything else he’s been doing.
What I would expect Trump to do is just pull support and if anybody asks him why, say loudly “America First!!!”
It’s exactly how trump operates. See the threat he posted this morning to block federal funding to universities that “let students protest” - he’s going to block funding anyway, he just needs a plausible way to blame them for it.
Same thing here - a plausible way to blame Ukraine for withdrawing US support.
Plausible to maga anyway.
I have not a lot of knowledge how American politics work, but isn’t this for congress to decide? how is Trump so powerful? (sorry for my daft question)
It’s very illegal. He has already been impeached once for withdrawing military aid to Ukraine in his first term.
And you see where that got us.
Yeah indeed, but now he has got the full backing and more Trump tronies?!
how is Trump so powerful?
The Republican party controls Congress and they have abdicated their responsibilities to our Constitution and, by extension, the American people in favor of an authoritarian because they have accepted him as their leader, thus giving away their own power.
Our forefathers never expected Congress to give away its own power. Because it doesn’t really make any sense in the long term for them to do so.
We are experiencing a coup. Most Americans are too uneducated to understand this.
It is for Congress to decide such matters. It says so right in our constitution, but our Legislative branch has been ceding their ability to check Executive overreach for decades. Now, with a complicit Congress as the majority, they will never challenge Trump on anything he does, no matter how unconstitutional or illegal it might be. Same goes for the Judiciary as well, chock full of partisan hacks who bend and twist their interpretation of the language of the constitution to cherry pick a favorable ruling for anything that Trump does.
Basically, our system of checks and balances that are meant to keep one aspect of the government from becoming too powerful has been completely subsumed by ideologues who prefer monarchy to democracy. The executive now essentially has unchecked authority and is in full control of the government apparatus.
The president was always able to stop aid under certain conditions. Trump is just going to certify that one of those conditions exist no matter how ridiculous it is.
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Republicans hold the majority in congress, so they’re refusing to push back and are just allowing him to usurp power from them.
Thnx for your reply! i understand that, but it seems nothing goes via congress?!
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And they don’t care because the White House is occupied by someone on their team. This country fucking sickens me.
It isn’t daft. The Republicans since Reagan have pushed a fringe legal theory called the Unitary Executive Theory. Basically, they want the president to fully control the executive branch and military such that theirs is the only voice that matters for much of the government. Not unlike a king, but partially checked by congress and the courts. They have been taking (illegal) actions to try to get sued, and also have been suing others/other branches of government, to try to get the Supreme Court to hear cases that will support this fringe legal theory so that it becomes the law of the land.
I am not a lawyer, but this is possibly something Trump can legally do since he is Commander in Chief of the armed forces. However, this seems more like an apportionment thing, which is Congress’ responsibility. Congress has allocated funds to send military aid to Ukraine. So, even if Trump as Commander in Chief could say “no more weapons to ukraine”, it seems doubtful to me that he could (legally) stop weapons shipments currently en route.
But, by the time whatever government office sues the office of the president to get a judge to enjoin them to send the agreed upon weapons that were already apportioned, it will already have hurt Ukraine somewhat. Trump often weaponizes inefficiency. And these sort of illegal acts aren’t crimes per se - they’re just procedural breaches - the legal remedy is just to reverse the action.
So, probably not legal. But Trump gets to weaponize his administration’s incompetence (or feigned incompetence) to at least delay aid. More competent people may support these actions, knowing they’re illegal, to try and strengthen the president’s role even further.
Wow! Thanks so much for this reply! this is very helpful, thnx a lot
The answer is simpler than that: the “checks and balances” system is a facade created to prevent meaningful progressive policy from passing. There’s a reason why Trump can modify a billion laws from day 1, but poor Biden couldn’t possibly do anything to codify abortion as a right or prevent the bombing of children in Gaza.
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So it turns out that what matters most in the end is less the intricacies of the system, and more what type of people get elected
This isn’t quite right. Trump didn’t really modify laws. That isn’t even something he can claim to do since he is the head of the Executive branch, not the Legislative one. He issued executive orders, many of which were illegal, and he had some cronies who enacted some of them anyway - others did not enact some of these, and others were not really actionable (like when he declared that no one has a gender). He did rescind many policies, but he can’t just make laws go away on his own. There are literally hundreds of court cases currently challenging these executive orders - seeing as how the judiciary is the primary check on the executive branch, that is the system working to check presidential power.
However, I am not a liberal, I am a socialist and do not think this is working well - there are many problems here. The highest levels of the judiciary have been largely captured by far-right judges, many of whom are specifically aligned with Trump’s goals and support the unitary executive theory. Also, this method of checking presidential power is extremely slow. For every illegal action Trump’s administration takes, a court case has to be crafted, filed, heard, and adjudicated. Every one. And invariably, some will not reach the correct outcome and others will never actually be taken to court - there are just too many.
Basically, the administration is using the fact that they control every branch of government to dismantle or capture core government agencies and to provide cover for various illegal actions - forcing them through if only temporarily for various political and structural ends. A soft coup, basically. So yeah, the fact that something like this is possible is proof of the flaws inherent in this system of government.
That’s a lot of words to say that I’m right in practice even if not in principle lmao.
I’m a commie too, BTW. You’re way too charitable to the US institutions IMO.
We are entering a “yeah and who’s going to stop me era of US politics”
US apparently also quit providing intel to Ukraine. Sorry for the Dutch link as source, best to use a browser translator on it.
Nazi traitors gonna do traitorous Nazi shit. God bless Ukraine and its holy fight against evil. They will find a way and emerge victorious.
Does your god have anti-air missiles they could use?
They will find a way and emerge victorious.
It’s delusions like these that send men to die who otherwise wouldn’t go.
otherwise? they got invaded they have no choice. Its fight and die or not fight and die
Fleeing is an option.
Do you honestly believe that Russia was going to have mass executions if Ukraine gave up without a fight?
uh yes they execute ukraine daily.
And fleeing? really? so if somebody takes your house by force and rapes your family you just flee? And then just wait untill they do it again?
yeah sounds like a great solution
Well, there’s nothing they can do about the house but fleeing can prevent death and rape.
It’s the reality of war.
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And then finally we will build a memorial building in their honor? One where all their carcasses are placed in a viewing chamber protected by glass at the basement of the building where as the first floor and subsequent other floors are all subdivided in public toilets and urinals. You stop there waiting for a bus, but you need to go. So you get into urinal #275. You do your business, then you either flush or you pay $0.50. Then you go to the basemen if you paid. There you press in your urinal number to watch a beautiful yellow fountain splash on their graves. Putin will land there first. Then after every nazi will end up in there. All profit goes the LGBTQ+A community. Anyhoo, I’m not the first to propose this instead of a library. We could have an LGBTQ+A library on the 2nd floor?
We can blame the people who voted for hillary clinton in the 2016 primary for why we have 2 trump presidencies.
We can blame the people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primary for why we essentially have 12 years of trump.
Democrats have shown repeatedly they’d rather have trump over someone who tries to reduce the disparity in wealth, so that’s what we get.
Now they can all order doordash from their quarter-of-a-million-dollars suburban homes while complaining they don’t have enough money. (and get mad at anyone who criticizes them for it)
Wait, you guys are getting houses at quarter of a million.???
For sure, you just need to travel back in time thirty years for any place you would want to live.
Depends on the suburb, but that’s the minimum.
No, i think I’m primarily going to blame the people who voted for Trump for Trump being elected.
You can blame both!
It’s just expected that republicans will work against the working class at this point. The “lesser evil” is seen as good because of how weak, greedy, entitled, and pitiful liberals are.
What suburb are you in that you get a whole house for 250k AND doordash still delivers there???
Take a look on Zillow.
Any suggestions on what to do with my retirement? How to get it out? Where to put it?
If the stock market crashes and doesn’t recover, that money will be worthless regardless of where you store it.
Gold it is then
Might want to wait till the fort Knox audit. Might turn out the gold you buy doesn’t exist :p
Trump will say it doesn’t exist to push more crypto for another pump and dump.
Don’t worry guys, I’m sure she’s about to get SLAMMED with a lawsuit. That’ll show him.