U.S. President Donald Trump has ordered a suspension of all military aid to Ukraine, escalating pressure on President Volodymyr Zelensky mere days after a heated exchange in the Oval Office cast doubt on U.S. support for Kyiv.

A senior Defense Department official told Bloomberg that all U.S. military assistance to Ukraine is on hold until Trump determines that Ukrainian leaders are making a genuine effort toward peace.

The pause affects not only future aid but also weapons already in transit, including shipments on aircraft and ships, as well as equipment awaiting transfer in Poland.

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Edit: changed source from Bloomberg to Kyiv Independent b/c there’s no paywall and more detail in the story.

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    Is there a historical precedent for punishing the defender for daring to successfully resist invasion by a third country?

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      Finland had to accept responsibility for being invaded by Russia. Also, they had to give away land mass that Russia failed to grab. Also, they had to give up some sovereignty. Also, they had to pay ginormous reparations and sign deals to buy army stuff from Russia.

      Nice army stuff, though. I’ve been in a 1995 KRAZ with a wood frame for the driver. Also they don’t have a tap for draining motor oil, because who would expect them yo return from the frontlines?

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      Does it matter at all? Trump is compromised and is actively working for Putin. This is transparent and not being denied. Is there precedent for a puppet to do whatever he’s told by his master? Yes, lots.

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        Let’s be very clear, it’s not just Trump, but the ENTIRE GOD DAMN administration that has been, and is, being put into place. Hegseth already told our intelligence teams to stop looking into Russia.

        If Trump was luigied tomorrow, an entire government is now in place to allow whatever they want to happen, to happen. It wouldn’t even matter if he was gone.

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          I think a lot of the problems with the current administration wouldn’t change if Trump was Luigied. Dismantling our federal institutions, consolidating power in the executive branch, stripping away human rights - all those things would continue.

          However, I think that the support for Putin nearly exclusively comes from Trump himself.

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        It is being denied. Had some chud on here mocking me the other day (at about a 4th grade writing level) for saying as much.

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      Yeah that shit happens all the time throughout history, actually. Especially when colonized countries dared to fight back against colonizers.

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      Economic sanctions on the early RSFSR after the Bolsheviks defeated the English, French, Italian, USA coalition that invaded them in the Russian Civil War.

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      Palestine. Maybe not successfully, but note that the idea that Palestinians have the same natural right to armed self defense as any other group is completely absent from mainstream political discourse. Most simply cannot even comprehend that the Palestinians should have just as much right to kill to defend themselves as Israelis do. Partly this is due to colonialism. Part of it is classism. The violence of the Israelis is clean and high tech. The violence of the Palestinians is crude and performed with simple weapons. We judge the morality of violence based upon the wealth of the people committing the violence.

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        No, you don’t get it. These Palestinian kids are brainwashed from birth to hate Israel and the Jewish peoples. They have school books that teach them to hate Israelis and Israel.

        /s but sadly not because the above is something I literally heard around me for years. I believed it until I met someone from Palestine who explained yes those books do exist and they are called history books.

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      The peace agreement between Napoleon and Austria included Napoleon taking independent (but in the coalition) Venice.

      It was kind of an awful elitist place but it was also the oldest democracy in the world at the time. Napoleon destroyed that, and all the monestaries. You can see the ruins of them around the lagoon if you visit.

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      This time we elected a Nazi as President.

      And funny enough, it’s also literally true in addition to being metaphorically true.

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    Each time I read “Trump orders”, “Trump does X”, I always ask myself: “Wait, can he do that? Congress? House? Judiciary? Cheks? Balances? Hellooooooooooo…?”…

    … but this is still the first few months of his second term. At this pace, he will be a literal king in a few more months.

    A scary prospect to say the least, and I hope it’s not too late for America to do something about this. This should not be normalized. This cannot be normalized.

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      Laws only have value as long as someone is willing to enforce them. It’s all a social construct.

      I’m not from the US and am far from being a legal expert, but your country appears to be close to being lawless (or is getting there at an accelerated pace).

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      The average us citizen doesn’t have a solid grasps of how our government actually works.

      Defunding education and gutting curriculum and removing civics education has … been impactful.

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        I’d say the average republican does have a solid grasp of how the government works, seeing the extremely high activity of Trump’s government. Turns out the “checks and balances” and the “branches of government” and all of that shit only serves to slow down progressive policy. When it’s about bombing brown kids or defending healthcare, policy can speed through the fucking system

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      Kind of. Last time he was trying to get them to say they were investigating Hunter Biden, so somethithathat would more directly benefit himself. This time I guess he wants the US to have the rights to all their minerals, which I don’t even understand how that would work, but I guess that could be seen as benefitting the US if you’re a total psychopath.

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      Russia has supported Trump and helped him to get elected and become a dictator. They’re going to continue the support. The deal is dictatorship in the US for Trump and dictatorship in Europe for Putin.

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      Mineral access after Ukraine falls. Not even like legit access for US companies, but like they do for oligarchs in Russia. Also now they might let him be the one to take out Zelensky to get back at him for not being grateful enough.

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    I have not a lot of knowledge how American politics work, but isn’t this for congress to decide? how is Trump so powerful? (sorry for my daft question)

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      It’s very illegal. He has already been impeached once for withdrawing military aid to Ukraine in his first term.

      And you see where that got us.

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      Republicans hold the majority in congress, so they’re refusing to push back and are just allowing him to usurp power from them.

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        Thnx for your reply! i understand that, but it seems nothing goes via congress?!

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          Congress is a check and balance to executive power, just like the judicial.

          They are not checking or balancing his power. So they are in effect, impotent.

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      It isn’t daft. The Republicans since Reagan have pushed a fringe legal theory called the Unitary Executive Theory. Basically, they want the president to fully control the executive branch and military such that theirs is the only voice that matters for much of the government. Not unlike a king, but partially checked by congress and the courts. They have been taking (illegal) actions to try to get sued, and also have been suing others/other branches of government, to try to get the Supreme Court to hear cases that will support this fringe legal theory so that it becomes the law of the land.

      I am not a lawyer, but this is possibly something Trump can legally do since he is Commander in Chief of the armed forces. However, this seems more like an apportionment thing, which is Congress’ responsibility. Congress has allocated funds to send military aid to Ukraine. So, even if Trump as Commander in Chief could say “no more weapons to ukraine”, it seems doubtful to me that he could (legally) stop weapons shipments currently en route.

      But, by the time whatever government office sues the office of the president to get a judge to enjoin them to send the agreed upon weapons that were already apportioned, it will already have hurt Ukraine somewhat. Trump often weaponizes inefficiency. And these sort of illegal acts aren’t crimes per se - they’re just procedural breaches - the legal remedy is just to reverse the action.

      So, probably not legal. But Trump gets to weaponize his administration’s incompetence (or feigned incompetence) to at least delay aid. More competent people may support these actions, knowing they’re illegal, to try and strengthen the president’s role even further.

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          The answer is simpler than that: the “checks and balances” system is a facade created to prevent meaningful progressive policy from passing. There’s a reason why Trump can modify a billion laws from day 1, but poor Biden couldn’t possibly do anything to codify abortion as a right or prevent the bombing of children in Gaza.

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    Nazi traitors gonna do traitorous Nazi shit. God bless Ukraine and its holy fight against evil. They will find a way and emerge victorious.

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      And then finally we will build a memorial building in their honor? One where all their carcasses are placed in a viewing chamber protected by glass at the basement of the building where as the first floor and subsequent other floors are all subdivided in public toilets and urinals. You stop there waiting for a bus, but you need to go. So you get into urinal #275. You do your business, then you either flush or you pay $0.50. Then you go to the basemen if you paid. There you press in your urinal number to watch a beautiful yellow fountain splash on their graves. Putin will land there first. Then after every nazi will end up in there. All profit goes the LGBTQ+A community. Anyhoo, I’m not the first to propose this instead of a library. We could have an LGBTQ+A library on the 2nd floor?

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      We can blame the people who voted for hillary clinton in the 2016 primary for why we have 2 trump presidencies.

      We can blame the people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primary for why we essentially have 12 years of trump.

      Democrats have shown repeatedly they’d rather have trump over someone who tries to reduce the disparity in wealth, so that’s what we get.

      Now they can all order doordash from their quarter-of-a-million-dollars suburban homes while complaining they don’t have enough money. (and get mad at anyone who criticizes them for it)

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        No, i think I’m primarily going to blame the people who voted for Trump for Trump being elected.

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          You can blame both!

          It’s just expected that republicans will work against the working class at this point. The “lesser evil” is seen as good because of how weak, greedy, entitled, and pitiful liberals are.

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        What suburb are you in that you get a whole house for 250k AND doordash still delivers there???

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    Don’t worry guys, I’m sure she’s about to get SLAMMED with a lawsuit. That’ll show him.

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    Entire admin is pathetic losers. And thanks a lot to all those geniuses who wouldn’t vote for Kamala because of Gaza, this is partially on your hands

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      For the millionth time: the results are out. The fraction of dem voters who stayed home because of the Gaza genocide isn’t high enough to warrant the loss. Stop blaming the people who stood the strongest against genocide.

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      You should be blaming the people who voted for hillary clinton in the 2016 primary for why we have 12 years of trump.

      They didn’t want to give up their greed or entitlement, so this is what we got instead.

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    until Trump determines that Ukrainian leaders are making a genuine effort toward peace.

    They are literally shooting every Russian they spot on their soil, how is that not making a genuine effort toward peace?

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      They are literally shooting every Russian they spot on their soil

      There are 8 millions russian speakers living in ukraine i hope these don’t count as “russian”

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        Only the Russian imperial narrative is so that Russians speaking people are considered Russians. There are Russian speaking people in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine and in many -Stans, they are not Russians.

        Not a very useful remark. The Ukrainian army is full of Russians speaking people.

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          There are ethnic russians there. What i’m pointing out is that “shooting every russian they spot” sounds racist.

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            I saw you around, and I know also you are Italian, so I will tell you in a way you understand. You are being a “puntalcazzista” to throw shade on Ukraine with vague racism claims. Anybody with a pulse will understand that “shooting every Russian on the spot” means “shooting every invader”, and that roughly would include also north Koreans or other ethnicities, should those set foot in Ukraine to assist Russian invasion. You are trying to claim an interpretation that doesn’t make sense, because - as I told you and you can easily verify - the Ukrainian army itself is full of Russian speaking people, who you might call “ethnic Russian” - whatever you think that means. So unless you are honestly suggesting that OP was suggesting Ukrainian army is also shooting on the spot to members of its own army, we both know what you are doing.

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              I saw you around, and I know also you are Italian, so I will tell you in a way you understand. You are being a “puntalcazzista” to throw shade on Ukraine with vague racism claims. Anybody with a pulse will understand that “shooting every Russian on the spot” means “shooting every invader”

              You must be new here, people have been racist toward russians for a good time.

              https://sh.itjust.works/post/27157199

              How exactly i’m throwing shade on ukraine by pointing out a racist generalization in comment?

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                I am not new, but I have a skill that you might find useful, it’s called “context”.

                racist generalization in comment?

                Because there is no any racial generalization. From the context it was clear to anybody who is in good faith what OP meant. Even if it wasn’t, OP comment was a statement on what is happening, so your remark “I hope they don’t…” doesn’t make any fucking sense, because you can just check what they are doing. Currently Russians in Ukraine that are being shot are invading troops.

                So let’s make a parallel. “Partisans were shooting germans”, in the context of Italian resistance. Do you think it’s a racist remark? Would you feel the need to say " oh boy, I hope they don’t shoot German civilians", “oh, there are ethnical Germans in the north, I hope they are not shooting them”. No you wouldn’t, because what you are doing is not in good faith, you are not raising any valid concern, you are just purposefully misunderstanding OP to stir shit.

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                  partisans were shooting germans troops, soldiers or the nazi they weren’t “shooting every german on the spot"

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                You’re either not understanding the intent of their message or you’re willfully twisting it.

                That’s what is being pointed out.

                They’re clearly referencing the invaders, you misunderstood and took umbrage where you didn’t need to. Having been corrected you’re still pushing the idea that they were being racist.

                You’re acting in bad faith.

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                  You’re either not understanding the intent of their message or you’re willfully twisting it.

                  How i’m twisting anything? To me it looks like you are try to twist things here accusing me of being in bad faith when i simply pointed out yet another discrimination against “russians” as if they were all bad. Are you aware that there are russian people living in ukraine?

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    Just as his master told him.

    The US media still does not dare to call Trump a Russian agent, despite him showing all symptoms.

    There has been no single Russian attempt to destroy the US being as successful as putting their own agent into the White House, right into the Oval Office.