Meh, I’m not so sure. We need to get used to the fact that reddit’s fuckery is unlikely to ever re-produce the massive influx of new users that the API nonsense did in 2023. That was a one-off thing that drove out all the OG users. The people left on reddit are the types that refer to it as an “app” and probably don’t even know old.reddit exists. Those kinds of people will grumble but they aren’t going anywhere. And frankly, that’s fine by me.
Edit: lmao okay, okay, Lemmy got 6 new users today. I get it. My point that we’re never going to see another user influx on the scale of the summer 2023 API changes has been proven wrong. Congrats everyone. Let’s hope half of them actually stick around.
I started the switch over after how grossed out I was with Reddit advertising betting on the elections, and the overwhelming number of bots and bad actors trying to influence people constantly in most of the subreddits. Since then, I’ve been promoting Lemmy, BlueSky, and the Fediverse as a whole on Reddit.
I believe we are on the cusp of another great migration. The more enshitified things continue to get on Reddit, the more real people will leave for spaces like here. At some point it could just be mostly bots talking to other bots on Reddit.
mostly right wing propaganda, drowning out the actual news. right wing prop, includes just positng all the doge, and trumps gaffes. and whats not really reporting on the other sht.
and before that, it was the massive purge that was going on, and i believe its still ongoinging especially if they upped thier filtering of anything they deemed “bannable”, the people that lost the most were the ones using hundreds or thousands of accts to earn income for themselves. my hunch is reddit knows this, thats why they went after those bots/of accts, reddit wasnt getting a cut, and wonder why they do very little against propaganda trolls. i also use adblockers so reddit doesnt get money anyways.
Also, obviously we want more users, but do we want that type of user? Remember what Reddit was before digg, before a few ‘endless summers’ that happen every year
There’s always the potential for them to grow as a community here. I’ve found a few smaller communities I liked that were slow at first but have been gradually gaining traction.
Honestly, Lemmy reminds me more of old Reddit. Back when /r/AskReddit had daily “my house is on fire, should I evacuate or just stay here at my computer” types of posts.
Welcome! I’ll leave this comment explaining Lemmy that I’ve previously left for new users:
Welcome to Lemmy! I’m glad you joined. There are tons of tutorials out there for how to use the platform, but if it helps, here’s my advice:
I use the Android app Sync For Lemmy. Reminds me a lot of rif is fun from before Reddit shut down 3rd party API access about a year ago.
Lemmy.World is the name of the biggest instance on Lemmy. Think of it as a discord channel with different sub-channels except those are called communities here (and instead of r/ for subreddits we have c/ for communities).
There are still trolls here. What’s nice about Lemmy is that you can block individual trolls, communities of trolls, or even instances of trolls (if you deem them so). Conversely, if you get banned from any of the above, you can make a new account on any other instance (like dbzer0 or shitjustworks) and still have access to the content from those people/places. The same is true if certain communities/instances change their policies on things like Luigi, which happened on Lemmy.World recently. I switched over to dbzer0 to avoid that censorship and to also see stuff about pirating - that which is banned on Lemmy.World.
Lastly, we can see posts/comments from other people on the Fediverse, like from Mastodon (Twitter alternative) and others.
Hope you enjoy your stay here! Lemmy is primarily tech- and politics-focused rn, but a lot of people draw parallels to Reddit’s early days, which is good!
Welcome. Let us know if you have questions. I recommend to you and JandroDelSol that you play around with the Hot, Scaled, New and Top 6 Hours and 12 Hours to see more action and posts.
My point that we’re never going to see another user influx on the scale of the summer 2023
You never know. When Digg did a redesign basically all the Digg users fled to Reddit. You never know what is going to be the last straw. And since we’re dealing with network effects, there can be this feedback mechanism where people leaving leads to more people leaving. It’s hard to predict when something’s going to tip over.
IMO, it’s just a matter of time. Reddit wasn’t profitable and now that they’re public their investors are going to demand growth and profit. That means enshittifying the site, and one of those changes is going to be too much. It could go on for years, but I’d be shocked if Reddit is still around in 10 years.
reddit’s fuckery is unlikely to ever re-produce the massive influx of new users that the API nonsense did in 2023
While Reddit might not have a single screw-up of that scale again, that is probably better for long-term Lemmy growth. I think we’ve forgotten just how ill-equipped the small handful of Lemmy instances were to cope with the 2023 influx. We have many more stable instances now, and the onboarding process is smoother.
Both me and my partner joined today. Problem is a lot of people don’t know about Lemmy, I’d never heard of it before today but someone commented about it on reddit in response to reddit’s latest nonsense.
I’ll likely stick around reddit for a bit and do my part to comment about making the switch. I can’t blame people for not joining something they know nothing about.
I’ll likely stick around reddit for a bit and do my part to comment about making the switch
[email protected] often features has Reddit posts which mention Lemmy or problems with Reddit. Great place to find and share opportunities to spread the word.
im an OG user, originally created for use of friendsafari on pokemon(i still have the og acct, that is flagged). i remember when they were there banning “illegal subs” like shoplifting and such, i know they moved to a international site(the users). they dint start aggressively banning til trumps first turn, like around 2018, now everything after that your comment is on thin ice every time.
I’m sorry, never heard about shorthand systems.
What’s that?
And why can’t we have a comparable community here? (Like the one you linked and it’s about screen didn’t really give me any info on what it’s about ;-))
Shorthand is a method of writing faster and/or more compactly. Speeds over 200 words per minute are attested, or fitting an entire printed page on a sticky note.
It’s an extremely niche interest, so the main thing preventing a comparable community here is enough active users who are interested. I’ve wanted to do a series of posts teaching one of the systems, but I’ve not hand the chance.
As I’m rocking a reMarkable, my priorities would be ranked:
speed
size on page
Everything else, I’m not exactly decided on, like number of users isn’t really important to me, because I’m mostly taking notes for myself.
Phonetics also aren’t really important, because I’m mostly focused on technical stuff.
Study time? Well, it is what it is. And when it’s worth it, I’ll put in the time. But maybe it would be nice to have something quickly rewarding to start?
But this probably shouldn’t be orientated about my needs.
Anything you provide about this interesting topic, especially when you include practical usage, is absolutely appreciated!
It’s all good. I just asked about your needs so I could give customised recommendations. :)
A popular option for folks that need exact spellings is Callendar’s Orthographic Shorthand. One of the /r/shorthand regulars digitized the instruction materials. It starts off as a simple alphabet replacement, then layers on more space and time savings. On the Fediverse, @[email protected] has been posting her take on it.
An easier and more compact option is Ponish. The manual is… eccentric, but the system is solid. It’s a modernized version of the 17th century Tachygraphy system by Thomas Shelton. Because no characters depend on size to differentiate, you can write as small as your hand will let you. There is a lower speed ceiling than “Orthic” unless you do some system development of your own. I’ve got ideas for improvement, but that gets into the weeds.
Two other options worth mentioning: Sweet’s Current & Schlam’s. They look and feel more like cursive. The former gets complex, but it’s uniquely beautiful. Both are available on /u/Filalethia’s comprehensive shorthand archive.
I’ll try to contain my jealousy over the ReMarkable. ;) I’ve wanted one for ages.
Thank you!
Looking forward to your posts and thanks for the links :-D
Regarding the reMarkable:
I’m a fan since the first generation and now have the new pro version.
I really fucking love it and I can’t imagine my work without it anymore.
Before that I always had A4 notebooks with me. One per project and I couldn’t just discard filled up ones, because I sometimes needed to check my earlier notes
So after some time, I was packing multiple notebooks on business trips and that got really heavy.
The reMarkable completely solved that.
I would still like to have it perform a bit faster on some cases and I missed some features, like drawing geometric things (or just a straight line), but since the last update they brought in a really cool feature.
You draw something like a line, square or circle, and if you want to have it straightened out (and not consist of your own wobbly lines), you just hold the pen in place after finishing the shape and it will make it geometrically nicely drawn.
As said, I really love it :-)
Although the price tag is a bit hard, I’ve given away the 2 earlier generations to friends and so they still have a happy productive life, after I upgraded.
So I’m fine with that at least…
Edit: looking through the links, it’s pretty much focused on the English alphabet. As a German speaker, I’ll probably need something for ö,ä,ü,ß - although I could probably extend that myself a bit, when needed
All in all, that looks very very interesting and could really help me in my daily work :-D
Seems my wife is hooked as well, as she often needs to make quick notes during her work
Edit 2: woah, ok
First off, this all looks amazingly tempting, but I’m completely overwhelmed with the choices
I’d need something to quickly write technical stuff down - like “just” replacing typical letters with easier/faster written ones, and cursive sounds more fun/fluid to write.
But I’m having a hard time to filter out the systems, that base on phonetics. Because I think, that would make it harder for me to actually read my notes, and as I’m usually not transcribing spoken words, I don’t really need that part.
I’m still looking through your recommendations, so sorry, if I missed something, that already matches my requirements. But would you have any system in mind, that would fit my purpose to quickly note down my thoughts and concepts that way?
I’ve actually been interested in shorthand for years. If you want to migrate over some of the better old content from reddit, I’ll sub and see what happens
That’s the biggest problem with everyone doing the corporate socials’ enshittification cycles instead of POSSE and/or independent services. Cool communities just fracture and die.
I’ve tried to get people to see this for decades. Maybe it’ll finally enter the zeitgeist this go around.
Meh, I’m not so sure. We need to get used to the fact that reddit’s fuckery is unlikely to ever re-produce the massive influx of new users that the API nonsense did in 2023. That was a one-off thing that drove out all the OG users. The people left on reddit are the types that refer to it as an “app” and probably don’t even know old.reddit exists. Those kinds of people will grumble but they aren’t going anywhere. And frankly, that’s fine by me.
Edit: lmao okay, okay, Lemmy got 6 new users today. I get it. My point that we’re never going to see another user influx on the scale of the summer 2023 API changes has been proven wrong. Congrats everyone. Let’s hope half of them actually stick around.
I started the switch over after how grossed out I was with Reddit advertising betting on the elections, and the overwhelming number of bots and bad actors trying to influence people constantly in most of the subreddits. Since then, I’ve been promoting Lemmy, BlueSky, and the Fediverse as a whole on Reddit.
I believe we are on the cusp of another great migration. The more enshitified things continue to get on Reddit, the more real people will leave for spaces like here. At some point it could just be mostly bots talking to other bots on Reddit.
mostly right wing propaganda, drowning out the actual news. right wing prop, includes just positng all the doge, and trumps gaffes. and whats not really reporting on the other sht.
A small number of reddit users leaving translates to a large number of new users here, comparatively speaking.
Not sure. I am part of the new wave 👋so we will see.
Not even with the other news of them warning people for upvoting content?
It’s what got me over here finally.
and before that, it was the massive purge that was going on, and i believe its still ongoinging especially if they upped thier filtering of anything they deemed “bannable”, the people that lost the most were the ones using hundreds or thousands of accts to earn income for themselves. my hunch is reddit knows this, thats why they went after those bots/of accts, reddit wasnt getting a cut, and wonder why they do very little against propaganda trolls. i also use adblockers so reddit doesnt get money anyways.
Yeah, we all know nothing in 2025 will ever be as consequential as what happened in 2023.
Welcome the six new users. We love you
Also, obviously we want more users, but do we want that type of user? Remember what Reddit was before digg, before a few ‘endless summers’ that happen every year
Your username is cool as hell.
I know that I just came from Reddit today, so… At least 1 person joined because of this fuckery lol
Welcome 🙂 this feels similar to old reddit, but a bit less nerdy and a bit more political than reddit in 2014 or so, but the times have also changed.
Just joined today because of this!
One more reporting in.
And yet another.
4 new users. Less than half of what I’d hope for.
Hey, that’s like a ~.1% increase of userbase, assuming 45k!
We’re actually closing in on 50k, posssibly already past it by now.
lol literally rewatched ROTK yesterday
For new users: [email protected]
That’s 4 more than I expected.
Reporting in, couple subs I’ll miss but fuck that shit.
There’s always the potential for them to grow as a community here. I’ve found a few smaller communities I liked that were slow at first but have been gradually gaining traction.
Welcome aboard, I joined in the last big exodus. It’s not the same here but it’s good and getting better.
Honestly, Lemmy reminds me more of old Reddit. Back when /r/AskReddit had daily “my house is on fire, should I evacuate or just stay here at my computer” types of posts.
nowadays askreddit is mostly political, or an incel, or a entertainment type question that people cant handle the answers.
Yup, got me here today.
So what’s the cathulhu chant? Me’wglui mrow’nyanfh Cathulhu R’eow meowgah’nagl fhtagn coughs up a hairball?
“Feed me”.
Hi. Are you having a stroke.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Citations:ph'nglui_mglw'nafh_Cthulhu_R'lyeh_wgah'nagl_fhtagn
💙 Welcome :)
Welcome! I’ll leave this comment explaining Lemmy that I’ve previously left for new users:
Welcome to Lemmy! I’m glad you joined. There are tons of tutorials out there for how to use the platform, but if it helps, here’s my advice:
I use the Android app Sync For Lemmy. Reminds me a lot of rif is fun from before Reddit shut down 3rd party API access about a year ago.
Lemmy.World is the name of the biggest instance on Lemmy. Think of it as a discord channel with different sub-channels except those are called communities here (and instead of r/ for subreddits we have c/ for communities).
There are still trolls here. What’s nice about Lemmy is that you can block individual trolls, communities of trolls, or even instances of trolls (if you deem them so). Conversely, if you get banned from any of the above, you can make a new account on any other instance (like dbzer0 or shitjustworks) and still have access to the content from those people/places. The same is true if certain communities/instances change their policies on things like Luigi, which happened on Lemmy.World recently. I switched over to dbzer0 to avoid that censorship and to also see stuff about pirating - that which is banned on Lemmy.World.
Lastly, we can see posts/comments from other people on the Fediverse, like from Mastodon (Twitter alternative) and others.
Hope you enjoy your stay here! Lemmy is primarily tech- and politics-focused rn, but a lot of people draw parallels to Reddit’s early days, which is good!
Welcome. Let us know if you have questions. I recommend to you and JandroDelSol that you play around with the Hot, Scaled, New and Top 6 Hours and 12 Hours to see more action and posts.
Thanks for the tip!
You never know. When Digg did a redesign basically all the Digg users fled to Reddit. You never know what is going to be the last straw. And since we’re dealing with network effects, there can be this feedback mechanism where people leaving leads to more people leaving. It’s hard to predict when something’s going to tip over.
IMO, it’s just a matter of time. Reddit wasn’t profitable and now that they’re public their investors are going to demand growth and profit. That means enshittifying the site, and one of those changes is going to be too much. It could go on for years, but I’d be shocked if Reddit is still around in 10 years.
I’m also a Reddit refugee. :-) fuck spez
Welcome welcome! :)
Thank you friend :)
Happy cake day!
While Reddit might not have a single screw-up of that scale again, that is probably better for long-term Lemmy growth. I think we’ve forgotten just how ill-equipped the small handful of Lemmy instances were to cope with the 2023 influx. We have many more stable instances now, and the onboarding process is smoother.
Both me and my partner joined today. Problem is a lot of people don’t know about Lemmy, I’d never heard of it before today but someone commented about it on reddit in response to reddit’s latest nonsense.
I’ll likely stick around reddit for a bit and do my part to comment about making the switch. I can’t blame people for not joining something they know nothing about.
Welcome!!! 🧡
i remember it a year ago, but dropped it because i was still on reddit, it took me getting banned on several accts to come looking for this site.
Welcome!
[email protected] often features has Reddit posts which mention Lemmy or problems with Reddit. Great place to find and share opportunities to spread the word.
im an OG user, originally created for use of friendsafari on pokemon(i still have the og acct, that is flagged). i remember when they were there banning “illegal subs” like shoplifting and such, i know they moved to a international site(the users). they dint start aggressively banning til trumps first turn, like around 2018, now everything after that your comment is on thin ice every time.
I’m stuck on there because /r/shorthand is inimitable (for now). [email protected], but it’ll have to be bootstrapped.
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I’m sorry, never heard about shorthand systems.
What’s that?
And why can’t we have a comparable community here? (Like the one you linked and it’s about screen didn’t really give me any info on what it’s about ;-))
Shorthand is a method of writing faster and/or more compactly. Speeds over 200 words per minute are attested, or fitting an entire printed page on a sticky note.
It’s an extremely niche interest, so the main thing preventing a comparable community here is enough active users who are interested. I’ve wanted to do a series of posts teaching one of the systems, but I’ve not hand the chance.
That sounds pretty cool actually! :-D
Is it hard to learn?
And could you maybe give me some entry level links or so?
I think so!
The difficulty depends on several things, but the easiest systems can be picked up enough to use in a few days to weeks.
I’ll try to put together an intro post this weekend. How would you rank these features?
As I’m rocking a reMarkable, my priorities would be ranked:
Everything else, I’m not exactly decided on, like number of users isn’t really important to me, because I’m mostly taking notes for myself.
Phonetics also aren’t really important, because I’m mostly focused on technical stuff.
Study time? Well, it is what it is. And when it’s worth it, I’ll put in the time. But maybe it would be nice to have something quickly rewarding to start?
But this probably shouldn’t be orientated about my needs.
Anything you provide about this interesting topic, especially when you include practical usage, is absolutely appreciated!
It’s all good. I just asked about your needs so I could give customised recommendations. :)
A popular option for folks that need exact spellings is Callendar’s Orthographic Shorthand. One of the /r/shorthand regulars digitized the instruction materials. It starts off as a simple alphabet replacement, then layers on more space and time savings. On the Fediverse, @[email protected] has been posting her take on it.
An easier and more compact option is Ponish. The manual is… eccentric, but the system is solid. It’s a modernized version of the 17th century Tachygraphy system by Thomas Shelton. Because no characters depend on size to differentiate, you can write as small as your hand will let you. There is a lower speed ceiling than “Orthic” unless you do some system development of your own. I’ve got ideas for improvement, but that gets into the weeds.
Two other options worth mentioning: Sweet’s Current & Schlam’s. They look and feel more like cursive. The former gets complex, but it’s uniquely beautiful. Both are available on /u/Filalethia’s comprehensive shorthand archive.
I’ll try to contain my jealousy over the ReMarkable. ;) I’ve wanted one for ages.
Thank you!
Looking forward to your posts and thanks for the links :-D
Regarding the reMarkable:
I’m a fan since the first generation and now have the new pro version.
I really fucking love it and I can’t imagine my work without it anymore.
Before that I always had A4 notebooks with me. One per project and I couldn’t just discard filled up ones, because I sometimes needed to check my earlier notes
So after some time, I was packing multiple notebooks on business trips and that got really heavy.
The reMarkable completely solved that.
I would still like to have it perform a bit faster on some cases and I missed some features, like drawing geometric things (or just a straight line), but since the last update they brought in a really cool feature.
You draw something like a line, square or circle, and if you want to have it straightened out (and not consist of your own wobbly lines), you just hold the pen in place after finishing the shape and it will make it geometrically nicely drawn.
As said, I really love it :-)
Although the price tag is a bit hard, I’ve given away the 2 earlier generations to friends and so they still have a happy productive life, after I upgraded.
So I’m fine with that at least…
Edit: looking through the links, it’s pretty much focused on the English alphabet. As a German speaker, I’ll probably need something for ö,ä,ü,ß - although I could probably extend that myself a bit, when needed
All in all, that looks very very interesting and could really help me in my daily work :-D
Seems my wife is hooked as well, as she often needs to make quick notes during her work
Edit 2: woah, ok
First off, this all looks amazingly tempting, but I’m completely overwhelmed with the choices
I’d need something to quickly write technical stuff down - like “just” replacing typical letters with easier/faster written ones, and cursive sounds more fun/fluid to write.
But I’m having a hard time to filter out the systems, that base on phonetics. Because I think, that would make it harder for me to actually read my notes, and as I’m usually not transcribing spoken words, I don’t really need that part.
I’m still looking through your recommendations, so sorry, if I missed something, that already matches my requirements. But would you have any system in mind, that would fit my purpose to quickly note down my thoughts and concepts that way?
I’ve actually been interested in shorthand for years. If you want to migrate over some of the better old content from reddit, I’ll sub and see what happens
You know what, why not? I’ll give it a go. Let’s see what happens.
there are a couple of niche communities there, that wont be easily replicated here if at all.
That’s the biggest problem with everyone doing the corporate socials’ enshittification cycles instead of POSSE and/or independent services. Cool communities just fracture and die.
I’ve tried to get people to see this for decades. Maybe it’ll finally enter the zeitgeist this go around.