How many of those are From NK or are those numbers not counted?
Not officially as it’s hard to determine the nationality. But it’s a drop in a bucket as NK has seen very limited action in the Kursk region.
There has been no indication that any new NK soldiers have arrived after the initial 12000. That’s ten day’s worth losses or one month worth Russian army size decrease if you take the Russia’s recruitment capacity into account.
When did the NK soldiers come? Four months ago? If so, they have recruited 100 000 to 140 000 Russian soldiers during that time, and the 13 000 NK soldiers are about 10 % atop that number. As they are muchore skilled than Russian soldiers, you’d assume their number is less than the slightly under 10 % you’d otherwise assume.
So, let’s guess about 5 % of the current number are NK losses. Possibly less.
I’m honestly surprised they haven’t pushed for more of them but I guess they can’t maintain their hold on their borders if they sent too many soldiers.
And they all died because one psychopathic old fart simply just wanted to take over majority of or the entire country of another for personal gain.
Yeah, but let’s keep hating every russian, because they ‘freely choose to enlist’ and invade other countries. They love being shelled by Nato artillery 🥰
Riiiiiigght.
Be conscripted and die, or fight conscription and die.
Cowards to the last man.
Russian soldiers are mostly not conscripted, but enlist because the salary of a factory worker in a rural town is around 70 € per month, whereas the salary of a soldier is about 2000 € per day, which means a monthly salary each day, including weekends.
They go killing because they are okay to kill others in order to get a richer life for their family. And that’s not an okay reason. They have chosen their fate and deserve death.
They didn’t freely choose to enlist but if you put a gun in my hand and tell me kill that innocent person I will rather shoot the person giving me the order
Easier to say than to do. But for the ‘innocent victim’ case you should look instead at Israel. That’s where the innocents are killed by en mass by direct order.
They were probably told Ukrain had Weapons of Mass Destruction, and so it’s their DUTY as defenders of freedom to invade and stop these terrorists! … oh, wait
What if I told you they’re not an innocent person, they’re a Nazi?
And if you refuse to fight Nazis, maybe it’s because you’re a Nazi yourself, hmm? Maybe we’ll investigate you for that, and keep you in prison while we do. And of course we’ll be investigating your friends and family to see if there are any Nazis there too.
That’s the condensed version, but you get the picture. There’s a lot more going on than just “here’s a gun, kill them”.
Exactly. But it’s just easier to plain hate than to understand.
I think both of you are oversimplifying.
Choice and freedom take on an entirely different meaning when you have a state media bombarding you with anti-Ukraine propaganda 24/7. It’s easy for us to say from the sidelines that we’d never get swept up in a war against innocents, but probably a lot of the soldiers have been fully indoctrinated with the idea that Ukraine are a threat to their families. Not to mention they probably now have friends and family who have been killed or wounded in this war.
Putin is the real villain here. He not only started the war, he’s the one who has kept it going by his refusal to withdraw troops, silenced political opposition, lied to his population, influenced global politics in his favour by buying elections, and used his subjects as fodder in this pointless war.
It’s fucking twisted the amount of suffering one thoroughly evil man can cause.
Well, now you are oversimplifying world politics to one man’s deeds. As if Nato expansionism did not play any role in the creation of this conflict. Read a little history before 2023 and you’ll see acquiring Ukraine is been a race between Nato and Russia since at least 2014.
Russia had already invaded in 2014, and successfully got a puppet as president in 2010.
NATO doesn’t expand by conquest, countries choose freely to join and other countries (especially hostile ones) don’t get to dictate the alliances of their neighbours.
Hey, that’s not fair! Most of them were not killed, but only mutilated too much to be ableish-bodied enough for the russian army!
(Serious note: this is the casuality number, that includes deaths, but also soldiers with wounds that put them out of service, like lost legs)
And then they send the mutilated back out into the trenches literally.
Armed only with crutches.
Nah, just pick up the crutches from the last guy that was in there.
Some they do, but actually most they don’t. The casualty rate is about 40 000 per month, meaning that there are about 25 000 cripples per month. The Russian recruitment capacity is about 25 000 to 35 000 per month depending on the source, so there should be about one cripple for one four-limbed soldier if all of the cripples were sent to the front. In reality, their number is a tiny fraction of that, as we can see in the videos.
The fact they are doing it and there is footage of it is funny lmao
Does that not include Russians defecting also?
Russians don’t really defect. They are told that Ukrainians will torture them for fun if they are caught alive and then kill each one, so it looks for them as if a 99% chance of dying on the field is still better chance than 100% chance of torture and then death anyway.
And because the Russian soldiers honestly believe this is how Ukrainians behave, they do that very thing to Ukrainians “in revenge”.
If they defect to the rear, they are shot by kadyrovite sheep enthusiasts.
So, whether the number includes defects is largely irrelevant. Maybe they do, maybe they don’t, but that won’t affect the numbers even by a tenth of a percent.
It’s not mere personal gain with Putin. The man has a vision of returning Russia to glorious Soviet Union. Probably felt kicked in the balls when it all fell apart. Remember, he was the head of the KGB, an extraordinarily powerful man. Maybe even more powerful than the Premier? Dunno.
He likely felt he would quickly crush Ukraine, make them an example, and then move on to other lost, and weaker, countries.
When he SU fell apart he was clerk in stasi.
He was never the head of KGB. He was planted as the prime minister by KGB precisely because the big guys at KGB believed they could control him when the prime minister becomes a president by the president resigning.
The other important people in KGB would never have allowed for the head of the KGB to become the president if the Russia, because they were his competitors.
dont worry…trump will create peace on earth and no more wars and junk.
Seeing as they are still on their murderous war of conquest, obviously not enough yet.
The total number is not what you should be looking at. The interesting thing is the number of losses in proportion to the Russian recruitment capacity. They have recruitment infrastructure that enables them to recruit a maximum of 35 000 (or, according to some sources, just 25 000) soldiers per month. They are not able to restructure their recruitment procedures in wartime, as that would first decrease the recruitment capacity for a few years.
The Russia must get their losses under that number, because as long as they don’t, they won’t be able to train their soldiers – they are needed too acutely at the front for that. If they can train their soldiers, their daily losses will decrease a lot.
Neither side is going to run out of population to send to the front in the next 50 years. But they can lose them faster than they are able to recruit new ones.
Good for Ukraine.
They throw their young generations into the meat grinder just to control resources. Putin couldn’t find a way to pivot to new domestic products so now people get to die.
Fight war, not wars.
does ukraine actually have resources? russia is gigantic what could they possibly need so badly
They have some rare earth minearals and a lot of farmland.
anything fancy that russia doesn’t have ?
Not particularly, the problem is that Russia is stupid and would rather try to annex Ukraine rather than invest time and resources into the development of Siberia. Also they don’t want to actually improve things just make them worse.
That’s kind of what happens when your government and economy functions off of corruption.
Well its either that or collapse, problem with Russia though is that the various ethnic and political groups that could’ve collapsed it easily were more or less wiped out during the holodomor. Specifically the ones in Siberia and the far east.
What happened in Siberia and the far east? Which groups were killed?
Ukraine has lots of valuable natural resources, but Russia has much more of everything. The biggest reason for the invasion is most likely that Putin could not let a “brother nation” prosper and drift towards Europe and being a functioning democracy.
Russia’s population might get wild ideas if they saw that their Ukrainian cousins’ standard of living starts to rise rapidly while they have to endure living under a fascist dictator. And substandard and underdeveloped infrastructure, due to the rampant corruption and a government who doesn’t give a shit about the areas outside the larger cities.
It’s that but (playing devil’s advocate for a second) Russia “traditionally” had a huge buffer between Moscow and the evil west. If Ukraine goes European and -worse- NATO, then that evil west with their evil ideas like freedom and democracy is suddenly quite close to Moscow’s doorstep.
I thought it was about access to that gasline without Ukraine intervention, but then they blew it up or something, soooo…nothing? Baby boy Putin has been anti-Ukraine for a decade at least. Seems to be about being anti-NATO and for “political power”, but I doubt Putin will gain any if they end up winning against Ukraine.
Russia is losing… Badly
Their only hope is for Ukraine to just give up
This is trumps job now
good news for ukraine, trump is on russias side.
But they keep taking land, don’t they?
Russia? Not as far as I can tell. They seem to lose 1-1.5k people a day to lose ground. Ukraine has more tanks than the start of the war, and more of their own land back.
I think the most critical thing is manpower. AFAIK we’re not sure how many Ukrainian soldiers are left (I couldn’t find anything if you do please link it).
So far all the land they gained was in that territory that they were destabilizing since 2014. They spend thousands of people and all the money to level small towns to the ground, after which Ukranian forces fall back from the rubble, and Russians technically take it. Sometimes they do that several times, because holding a bunch of smoldering derbies is actually hard.
On paper you can call it taking the land. I don’t know what portion of the land they grabbed in the beginning of the war they still hold, I think it less than before, especially if you take into account Kursk region, but it’s hardly anything substantial.
The fucking Muscovites can continue to fertilize the earth. The loss of troops and material means nothing to the Russians. The asswipes will continue to use mass assaults until the soldiers or the public revolts. Until then, Fuck Russia and US Reichwingers.
ah yes, my favourite fertilizer, the heavy metal, carcinogenic, neurotoxic, lead bullet
They’re using money in lieu of skill. Eventually they’ll run out if it.
Then no more high salary for the Russian soldier – and consequently, no more soldiers.
High salary? I thought at this point most of their fighting force is getting paid in “Not going back to that gulag for those heinous things you did to people back home.”
Most of them have enlisted out of their own free will. There are plenty of prisoners as well, but – at least to my understanding – they amount less than the people who enlisted for the money. Also, many of the enlisted prisoners are in it voluntarily because of money and amnesty. And many are simply forced to sign the “voluntary” contract by torturing them until they do.
What I’ve been surprised with is that as long as you are alive, you almost always do receive your salary as a Russian soldier. And your relatives will indeed receive their compensation – assuming there’s evidence of you dying. There almost never is, and then you’re marked as AWOL, not as dead. And if you’re AWOL, your family receives no compensation. Ukraine has huge refrigerated warehouses full of Russian soldiers waiting to be sent home, because when they eventually reach the Russia, that country will either go bankrupt or has to say “we changed our mind. Although you sent your son to our war for money, we’re not actually going to pay”, which will seriously destabilise the Russia.
This is indeed also why the Russia’s economy is such a very important factor here. There’s no way they’ll be able to fill the required 30 000 new soldiers per month with prisoners alone. They don’t have that many hundred thousands of prisoners available for that. Send too many and you will have prison revolts.
Source on the refrigerated warehouse? I’m super curious about that.
Hm, cannot find that article anywhere. I found two articles that talk about refrigerated trains bringing bodies there, but they don’t tell about the actual morgue at all. They are here:
https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/features-61567949
All articles I can find about the larger warehouse near Kyiv are from 2022. There are articles telling about swaps of Russian soldiers who have had influential relatives. In 2022 there has been a swap of 50 such soldiers – and the same amount of Ukrainians in the other direction.
Starting from summer 2024, there are suddenly several articles telling about swaps of hundreds of bodies at once, so at that point something has changed. Of course, with the Russia losing 1300 soldiers per day, and therefore about 400 of their soldiers dying per day, swaps of 200 to 600 dead bodies a few times per month are not that very many, really. Even if most of the Russian soldiers die in areas unreachable by Ukrainians, that still seems like a very low number. There is some amount of pressure inside the Russia for getting some of the bodies away from Ukraine, but none of the halfways recent articles tell anything about how many Russian bodies are currently in storage somewhere, waiting for repatriation to the Russia. Based on the amounts of a few hundred at a time, I’d say there must be many that the Russia does not accept. But no information on where in Ukraine they are physically located at the moment. Kind of understandable, because the Russian military could bomb the morgue to get rid of evidence, if they found out where it is.
It is weird that apparently no articles have been written on this subject in the last two years or so!
This is the reality of war. Millions of people die fighting over invisible lines on the map
This isn’t a war of lines on the map, really. The Russia’s goal is the end of Ukrainians as a nation. And breaking NATO’s article 5.
The Russia’s goal is the end of Ukrainians as a nation. And breaking NATO’s article 5.
I don’t recall this being putin goal. Nations are invisible lines on earth
Countries are invisible lines on Earth. Nations are not.
Nations are groups of people that sometimes fill some lines, often leave some parts among the lines unfilled, sometimes cross them.
And nations can exist without any lines on Earth at all. If Ukraine was to somehow get completely occupied by the Russia, Ukrainians as a nation would continue existing. Until the Russia manages to actively purge them.
The Russia’s official news agency that will not publish anything that Putin disagrees with, has written the clearest explanation about the genocidal goal. The important part is that in one part it said that all nazis in Ukraine must be exterminated, and in another part it defines Ukrainian nazis as “everybody who supports the regime of Kyiv”. And then there’s Putin’s speech on February 21st, 2022, which was supposed to take place just hours before the missiles start flying, although the attack then had to be postponed by two days. And then there are the three articles published by RIA Novosti precisely at 08:00 Moscow time on February 26th, 2022. And Putin’s speech from summer 2021.
I wish I could find the version of the “What Russia should do with Ukraine” article’s text that is annotated in English language. I spent some hours looking for it a few days ago, to no avail. It’s somewhere out there in the Internet – I can remember having read it.
Russian has been losing and the economy is collapsing since 2018 according to these news. Every other week I see something like this. Yet we dont see them retreating.
900k is more than 50% of there forces according to wikipedia that list 1.5 millions.
I highly doubt the accuracy of these news reports.
I travel a lot, both for work and leisure, and wherever there’s no travel restrictions for Russians, like Thailand, UAE, or Egypt, it’s simply overrun with Russian tourists. And they’re rich, too, with the latest iPhones, Apple Watches and all the other fashion brands.
As much as I’d like to see l say that Russia is feeling the impact of this war, empirically, I can’t say that it seems that way.
Classism is present in Russia too.
I watched a couple of YouTube videos from a normal guy who lives in Russia talking about what it was actually like to live in Russia around the time that Tucker Carlson did that weird state visit and he peeled back a layer of intentional propaganda that the American journalist was spreading - that Russians are living in some kind of luxury paradise. Sure, everything costs less over there, but people are also paid a lot less too. If you’re working class, it’s hard to afford enough food to put on the table sometimes. The rich, however, are not hurting for anything and a lot of big brand labels that said they would exit Russia just rebranded themselves or quietly re-entered the market after all the commotion about the war died down.
I didn’t mean to suggest that it isn’t affecting the ordinary, working class Russian. My observation is that there don’t appear to be any less affluent Russian tourists.
The richest people don’t care about the war, if groceries go up 25% that barely makes a dent. You won’t see the people who are actually suffering from this being tourists.
Yes, of course, and I agree; I was only remarking that there’s a demographic that doesn’t appear to be affected by this at all.
Their losses are clearly significant enough to bring a foreign army (North Koreans) to replenish their forces. Maybe not 50% but I don’t think it’s that far off.
I have not heard of another batch of NK soldiers after the initial 12000. There are talks about them possibly sending another 12000.
With the Russia losing 1300 soldiers per day as dead and wounded, the NK troops cover 10(+ maybe another 10?) days worth soldiers.
The Russian army is shrinking by about 15 000 soldiers per month. That was canceled out by NK troops for one month once, and possibly another one soon.
It is collapsing. Some people have interpreted the news as the economy being at the brink of an immediate collapse, but articles I have read have talked consistently of end of 2025/early 2026.
The difference is, in 2022 and 2023 it was assumed that once it becomes clear that the Russia’s economy collapsing will be inevitable unless they immediately end the war, they would indeed end it. Now it’s clear that they will indeed go to the very end, allowing their economy to collapse and then the war ending as a consequence of that.
So, yes, it was predicted that the economy will collapse by 2026, and the war would end in 2022 or 2023 to avoid that. But, the timetable of the actual collapse has not changed. Or, at least not the timetables I’ve been seeing.
PSA: Losses include dead AND wounded.
If wounded means combat ineffective, I’ll take what I can get.
Fuckem.
-900k orcs HAHA, should be more
I’m not even Russian and I’m offended. Most of these people who died likely didn’t even want to fight, but we’re drafted anyway. Blame the oligarchy, not the people who were forced to participate.
Latest mobilization in russia: 133 000
New contracted service in the russian army forces in 2024: 450 000
“most”…
Most of these people who died likely didn’t even want to fight, but we’re drafted anyway. Blame the oligarchy, not the people who were forced to participate
Had my father been drafted for 'nam his plan was to use his rifle to kill as many officers as possible before himself, rather than fight for the US in that war. I had the same plan in the unlikely event I was drafted for something, too
Maybe the Russians could have a backbone like that, yeah? They’re being given tools of war and willingly go off to die without a fight? Actually pathetic, and not worth sympathy
BUt ThEy wErE JuSt fOlLoWiNg OrDeRs
Exactly my opinion
the Russian law prohibits using drafted conscripts in a war like this. While that law is largely ignored, it goes have the effect that the Russia hires soldiers mainly through giving them an enormous salary: In rural areas a factory worker might get a monthly salary of around 70 € per month. As a soldier you get 2000 € per month, which is about 70 € per day!
That also means, the soldiers are in it because they have decided they want to do they in order to give a less poor life for their family. Killing others’ children in order to feed theirs better.
A very small fraction of the soldiers you see die have come to the front against their will.
Therefore: Roaches, not orcs.
Poor person gets brainwashed, coerced and joins military to earn money.
“Haha, orc!!! They all deserve to die a pigs death!!”
There is no place for sympathy to Russians, most of them support Putin. They aren’t brainwashed and most are aware of the situation and do nothing.
A lot of Americans support Trump or have no willingness to do anything about his facism.
A lot of Germans support Afd.
A lot of french support le pen.
A lot of British folks support reform and Tommy robinson.
So, do all the people from these countries also not deserve any sympathy? You know the ones who can’t do anything about who rules over them? Because they are too busy bogged down in trying to make a living?
Do nothing
How do you expect the regular russian to rise up against putin when they can barely can provide anything for their family? But also, When their only source of truth has been the state media, ofcourse it’s brainwashing.
Americans are not doing anything about the horrific things trump is doing and is that okay? Should we start calling Americans burger pigs and paint them all as racist caricatures of fat blonde pigs?
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At least don’t dehumanise the Russians. There are plenty who hate what’s happening and have died to free their country.
have they looked under the couch?
Are they stupid? Just find them!
There’s only a JD Vance there.
Anyone know the number of Americans killed in Vietnam without looking it up?
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~58,000
Plus about 300k “casualties”, which is more apples to apples with the 900k Russians.
Only about 150k Americans seriously wounded in Vietnam.
I would imagine Agent Orange and severe PTSD-induced homelessness or suicide should also contribute to that number.
They don’t count as military losses. This isn’t a statistic about Russian suffering. This a statistic about how many soldiers the Russian military has lost from its ranks. PTSD doesn’t remove a soldier from the ranks.
That’s a fact. Though it’s hard to know what kind of statistic we’re seeing in Russia’s numbers here, by comparison
Yes, yes I do.
Interesting comparison. People cheering on those Russian deaths should also be cheering on those American deaths
From an odd point of view, I think it’s been good that world war 2 happened, so that we lost our grip on a lot of countries. Such as Vietnam.
Can’t really say that out loud tho aha
Also I wouldn’t exist without world war 2.
If I didn’t have sex with my wife on that specific night then my specific sperm cell wouldn’t have gone into her specific egg cell.
Existential crisis intensifies
I don’t think your existence depended on your having sex with your wife…
You might be right… unless… time travel 🤨
This is in no way true is it? Holy shit
Did you miss the article where local officials were giving out meat grinders to the parents of the KIA?
It’s . . . not . . . I don’t . . i mean. Yeah. Putin’s an absolute monster.
I’ll be honest: I know next to nothing about the Vietnam War, living in Germany. We just read Slaughterhouse 5 in our English class and that’s it. Given its omnipresence in culture in general, I never would have thought that so “few” people died. Don’t get me wrong - it’s still a lot of people. But compared to the 900000 it’s just a drop in the bucket.
Fuck Putin and what he’s doing to my fellow countrymen/women/people
Most of those killed in Vietnam were Vietnamese civilians
If you looked at the news article, the spokesman for the Kremlin mentioned that it was what the parents had “wanted and requested” which makes it look more like the parents taking a subtle jab at the leadership because they then had to publically hand them out.
