The patient had the organ transplanted at a hospital in Ohio in December and died in January, Michigan Department of Health and Human Services spokesperson Lynn Sutfin said.
A subsequent investigation that also involved the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Ohio Department of Health determined the patient got rabies from the donated organ. Sutfin did not specify which organ was transplanted.
Scrubs episode come to life.
The moment you start blaming yourself…
That episode was actually based on a real event from 2004
I’m sure RFK’s CDC will get right to the bottom of what happened here and prevent it from happening again /s
If everyone has rabies, then, no one has rabies!
More vitamin A would have saved them. /s
And methylene blue! Sure it gives you diarrhea, but its blue!
I’m not sure rabies is screened in donors. Thats brutal.
Plus the test for rabies needs brain tissue, cant just test blood or the organ to be transplanted
I’m pretty sure it isn’t part of any normal testing. Maybe if there were symptoms in the donor that indicated rabies or their family noted they had interactions with wild animals, but typically I think it’s mostly hepatitis, HIV, syphilis, toxoplasmosis, cytomegalovirus, chagas, and west Nile that are always checked for.
you got it! I’m just wrapping up schooling for med lab so thanks for the refresher!
For good reason, it’s extremely rare.
Edit: The statistic i looked up, is less than 10 cases a year. It would be a waste of resources to test for rabies on every organ donor. But I wouldn’t be surprised if they start testing now.
A quick search shows rabies testing is $80 to ~$200. Given the cost and time a transplant takes I would say testing for rabies would be insignificant. But health insurance companies are assholes so they probably would not cover the cost due to the rarity of the disease. Cheaper for them to let people die and families sue.
That’s fair, but where do you draw the line at testing for diseases? There are so many things a patient could have. I don’t think its just about insurance companies.
Edit: my point is, at some point you are wasting precious time for the people who need the organs, and they might die. Testing for extremely rare disease/illnesses might even be considered irresponsible. You’re getting diminishing returns testing for super rare stuff, and since there are so many things that are rare, you have to make a call about what to actually test.
It takes 24-72 hours to confirm if an animal has rabies. That’s just not time that organ donations have.
Are you responding to the right person? That was kind of my point. Patients die waiting for test results.
I think they were agreeing with you
Yeah, I see that now. I assumed they meant to respond to OP.
Ya I get it, that would be expensive and impractical.
Michiganders: “And that’s why you can’t trust Ohio”
I didn’t need another reason.
Does this mean that whoever dontated the organ also died from rabies without having been accurately diagnosed, or does it mean that someone was carrying rabies?
If someone died of rabies, it would certainly be known that it was rabies. The symptoms are pretty obvious and it’s not likely it would be mistaken for anything else.
More likely, they were infected and died of some other cause before symptoms started showing, which can take as little as two weeks or potentially over a year.
There’s even some evidence that it can be longer. I found one that was a 6 year incubation.
Jesus H. Christ, that’s daunting…
Yeah, its a really crazy virus. If you get bit or scratched by a mammal, that you don’t know for certain is vaccinated, get the vaccine.
Agreed, same deal as with tetanus. The last time that I got cut by rusty metal and went to the hospital, the intake nurses seemed annoyed with me for showing up with such a minor injury (two stitches needed only). When the MD checked my records, they told me that it was a good thing I’d come in for the stitches and tetanus shot, because my previous one’s span of effect would have ended at a few months earlier. You can’t take this shit for granted, if you blow it off or delay treatment it could kill you. No lockjaw for me, thank you very much.
Can confirm, even minor effects are lifelong and annoying AF.
Anything deep enough to warrant stitches should absolutely be treated in a hospital imo.
But also, tetanus is commonly misunderstood. Scapes and scratches are extremely unlikely to result in tetanus, regardless of what causes it. Rust isn’t any more likely to transmit tetanus.
Tetanus is an anaerobic microbe that can only really survive in deep cuts and punctures where air isn’t able to reach the wound. The spores are basically everywhere… But the spores only bloom and become dangerous when they come into contact with blood. Once they bloom, oxygen will kill them. So you don’t need to worry about it for surface-level scratches and scrapes, because the air will kill off any blooms. The only reason it is commonly associated with rust is because one of the more common puncture wounds is from stepping on rusty things.
Huh, interesting. Thanks for the info, I was under the misconception that it was directly tied to the rusty metal itself.
I used to live in an old farmhouse. Drafty as fuck. There was a bat who kept getting inside every few months, and I’d just shoo it out or catch it and let it go outside. One night it got inside and in the course of looking for a way out, it accidentally scratched my daughter. It barely even broke her skin—there was the tiniest mark where blood welled just the slightest bit.
So when I captured him, I had to take him in for testing. Which I hated, knowing it was a death sentence, but you can’t take your chances with rabies at fucking all.
Of course, the bat wasn’t rabid, my daughter was just fine, and we probably had to suffer a few more mosquitoes that year. That was the last time we had any bats in our house.
Now, we have a very nice back yard with a deck we use a lot in the evenings and I wish I had my little bat buddy back to eat all the tasty bugs during the summer.
That was absolutely the right thing to do for your family. It sucks about your bat buddy though.
If you want to help bats, you can put up a bat house. There are plans for ones online to build one yourself. Bat are really struggling, between white nose fungus and humans their populations are really declining.
And keep a lookout for bats in need, when they get hurt they can be help. There might be a licensed bat rescue near you that could save them. I found a bat in my attic that had fallen into a bucket of water. It was winter and there was ice in with him! I was able to get him in a box and took him to a rehab the next day. He made a full recovery and was released that spring.
Bucket the bat being looked over by the rehaberLove that story, thank you so much for sharing! I do want to build a bat box this year.
Yeah, imagine getting rabies symptoms, knowing you’re going to die, and having no memory of any event that may have led to the infection.
A literal nightmare scenario.
“You’re 100% going to die, but we need to know when you caught it in case it was incidentally passed to someone else.”
shrugs
For what it’s worth, I saw a comment on Reddit that pretty much said this. They heard it from a nurse who works in Ohio talking about the case.
They were more than likely infected but not yet showing symptoms. Carrying rabies but not a carrier of rabies. If you get bit in the foot, it takes awhile to reach your brain.
Especially if they’re tall.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck that. You better drop my ass into a coma or straight up kill me before I have to go through a rabies death.
“How did the organ donor die?!?!”
“Oh, rabies.”
Episode in Scrubs…
That image looks so bad! Is that really what rabies virus looks like?
Most things look pretty bad and gross when you zoom in on them close enough.
This was not the kind of nightmare fuel I expected when I logged on to Lemmy today.
It’s all anxiety fuel. Gulp gulp.
I just read more than I thought was enough. https://www.news-medical.net/health/Why-is-the-Rabies-CFR-So-High.aspx
What a terrible way to die
It would’ve been far preferable to simply not wake up from that surgery.
What a horrific story
Well now I have another question to add to my list of things to discuss with the surgeon before I accept any organ transplants.
