Why are most people here are negative and rude?
Just to be clear here, I am not talking about instance, rather I am asking about the whole community.
There is no one I seen here who even had expressed any passion towards anything really.
I cannot understand how did that happen?
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Cant say im seeing it. Maybe hang out in different communities?
I don’t think it’s something limited to Fedi, but internet in general. The whole social media “algorithm” promotes such posts, an edgy extreme post filled with hate will get more reactions and upvotes, than a “lame” conventional opinion, so you’re more likely to see it. I am not sure how to even fix it, I think it’s one of the fundamental problems if the internet, but this is how it is
There is no algorithm like that here. You could argue that “popular” posts are the most inflammatory, but that’s not the case in a lot of the communities I frequent.
The algorithm in this case is the human ego multiplied by the limits of text communication.
Fair, but I would argue that in and of itself is not the major problem. There were flame wars/trolls/squabbles on the internet for years. Then along came the rage-rewarding algorithms and clickbait based on profiling, and it all went to shit. Basically, dumping gasoline on ego and indignity.
You are correct in your history for sure.
My comment was more focused on Lemmy and the reason for occasional outbreaks of nastiness. There is no algorithm in the sense you describe on Lemmy.
I meant to convey that what we see on Lemmy is a property that emerges from human interaction through this medium.
Our conversation may be an example of this. I made a comment that was short, but I thought it was unambiguous. Your reply was thoughtful and topical. But a short text requires you to fill in a lot of context. So you may create a slightly different picture than I intended.
This is a deep cut sci-fi tangent, but it applies. Being pseudonymous and not having durable social reputation makes for different human behaviors.
True Names by Vernor Vinge exceprt
The full story is available with a search on the title and author.
The most recent reddit exodus brought a lot of shitty people. The vibe here changed overnight.
You’re asking something that is extremely subjective, in a very combative way. You don’t seem like you have good intentions
This comment is pretty ironic.
How so?
It was factual and stated neutrally as far as I can tell.
Saying “You don’t seem like you have good intentions” is, itself, extremely subjective in a very combative way.
You’re asking something that is extremely subjective, in a very combative way. You don’t seem like you have good intentions
I’m gonna save that line for starting fights.
Yo, bro, stop being so very combative. That’s like, extremely subjective. You don’t have good intentions. I’m better than you- what? I didn’t say that.
You’re asking something that is extremely subjective, in a very combative way. You don’t seem like you have good intentions
Don’t come out swinging 🤷♂️
Almost as ironic as blithely accusing a large collection of disparate communities of having a culture of hate, negativity and rudeness.
I’ve seen it here as long as I’ve been here, it’s the main reason why I’m not on here much anymore. First time I noticed it was when I went looking for Christian communities here and found nearly every post was getting more downvotes than upvotes. Kinda seems like there are a few on this platform who enjoy downvoting people just for being Christians - and those people outnumber those interested in actual conversation on those communities.
So why is Lemmy like this? I dunno, I can only speculate.
I don’t see that much hate but plenty of anger
Won’t speculate as to why but will recommend the community push for keyword filtering at the account level (a la Bluesky) rather than relying on apps like Sync to help us sift through the garbage
Got an example?
From the same post: https://lemmy.world/comment/16178255
I mean something that demonstrates a consistent culture of hate, not just one comment disagreeing with you.
Redditfugees.
Don’t roll The Fugees into this. They may be 2/3 out-of-touch asshats IRL, but at least they’re not Reddidurs sloughing off that fetid cadaver like whiny pus.
We try to integrate , at least some of us
with the enshittification of all other social media, the exodi and influx would be appropriate for this particular cartoon about little blobs being unwelcome, creating their own space, then being crowded out to the dialogue “oh no”…clear??
I try to be more constructive and positive… you get what you give for the most part. There are trolls abound like any online platform but ignore, report and/or block them and move on with your day.
There is no one I seen here who even had expressed any passion towards anything really.
All/Top is mostly general posts, news and memes. There are a lot of smaller communities on Lemmy that are about people’s passions.
Is technology your passion (judging by your posts)? If so check out more specific communities on stuff like Android, Apple, retro computing, homeassistant, linux, windows, etc. If it’s something else chances are there’s a community for that (albeit it could be relatively inactive). The technology subs attract general discussion, so go for the niches.
that’s the line that got me. I’m an art freak. passion? I eat passion for breakfast
I get it too. People would rather start calling you names than have a discussion. I think it’s the “with us or against us” mentality as a whole that makes people very volatile.
You sound like a reasonable person though, so I hope you don’t depart.
If I am being pretty honest with you, I thought about leaving Lemmy before due to multiple reasons+ the culture of hate here.
But I always think about the alternatives and I don’t find many.
As long as there is no a better alternative to Reddit, I am staying.
I browse 3-5 times a day, and see something unnecessarily rude maybe once a week or so. I’ve not noticed any change in rudeness or negativity recently.
Without hard data, mood trends identified on social media usually say more about the identifier than the community.
If you have only been here for a month it’s not enough time to judge if the culture is changing, no?
Also you’re saying two different things, that people are negative and rude and that they aren’t expressing any passion. I think some users are negative and rude, but they definitely still express passion even though it isn’t always positive. Lemmy users have always held strong and passionate beliefs, it’s part of why we decided to leave mainstream social media and use Lemmy instead.
Sometimes those beliefs clash, but I don’t think it’s gotten any more negative lately. Plus it varies so much from server to server and community to community. It’s pretty foolish to paint all of Lemmy with the same brush because really it’s a bunch of independent communities with different attitudes and behaviors that are also able to interact with each other.
I don’t see much of that myself. Either it’s mostly from the few people I have blocked or it’s the communities I’m not in.
I’m also not sure why negative and rude is the same as dispassionate to you. Maybe that’s why we’re not seeing the same things. Or maybe that’s not what you meant to say, but that’s how this reads to me.
No it’s definitely there, but you’re right that it seems variable by community.
I don’t think Lemmy has a particularly more hateful user base than any other site, or than the population in general. However, I think the demographics here mean that the handful of Lemmy users who are hateful tend to be so in the same direction. So if there are two positions for some topic, hate for one position will be more common on Lemmy than the other. This can manifest in many ways.
I suspect there are many others, but I’ll talk about the one I’ve noticed. On some of the Christian communities here on Lemmy, all the posts have been downvoted more than upvoted. Kinda makes me think there are a few people who just downvote every post they see on those communities.
Besides communities, it could also depend on your instance. The one I’m on, for example, makes a point of providing a safe space for gender diverse people to hang out, so the admins will defederate with any instance that does not police itself sufficiently to avoid bigotry. I imagine that means I end up seeing very little of the hate that goes in the broader fediverse. No big loss, I’m sure.
Same here, but I block political and news communities on my main account
Have you visited hobby communities? They can be quite pleasant.
