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      In this case by cup it probably actually refers to a pint glass of water (two measuring cups), but in any case not an exact measurement, so it doesn’t make sense to give exact measurements. Its describing the vessels of transportation, not the amounts.

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          https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/basin

          A) an open usually circular vessel with sloping or curving sides used typically for holding water for washing

          B) chiefly British : a bowl used especially in cooking

          C) the quantity contained in a basin spilled a basin of water on the floor

          Not only is that not a measurement the US uses, the only geographical location mentioned in the definition is “chiefly British.”

          So, uh, “no.”

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    My neighbors daughter had one of those water guns. I told her if she shoots at me, I’ll get the hose and retaliate. She grinned, shot at me, and ran away laughing.

    I talked to her dad, he nodded, and when she came back for more mischief, she got wet.

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      Stop letting your children roam, you assholes. Maybe keep your child off your neighbours property? Don’t make your child someone else’s pest and they won’t be treated as such.

      Roaming children are a big problem, not to mention the entitlement of parents who think it’s ok to open their doors and let their children fuck off to do whatever on whoever’s property. Imagine if foster parents did that? They rightly have their foster child taken away and charged

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        Funny thing is that most children in the West nowadays are indoors children that only ever go outside to be driven between places.

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        As someone who has had neighbor’s children randomly walk into my house and demand things like food, water (I won’t say no to children, I’m not heartless), and use of my TV and internet. I’m sorry, but don’t let kids be pest is unironic in some areas. Some people haven’t socialized their kids properly and we were the ones who had to explain to these kids (4 to 6 year olds) that wandering without permission into other people’s houses was not only inappropriate but dangerous to them. We, the strangers, telling these kids that they should be wary of strangers. The parents just didn’t give a fuck and wouldn’t even talk to us, but they were apparently fine with their kids roaming into stranger’s homes. I’m glad we moved away.

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      As if the kid threw the water for that reason. Maybe the neighbor shouldn’t have let the kid roam? Would fit your logic.

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          Exactly. Cats should be kept inside at all times. The amount of native wildlife they kill each year is sickening. Some speecies are near wiped out because idiots let their cats roam around killing countless things every day. Cats in australia, for example, kill 10+ billion native animals every year. We have things endangered because of it. We have to have islands and such with no cats just to bring levels up for species.

          All cats belong inside, or in a cat run, that cannot in any way cause harm to any other animal that doesn’t stray in to its run. My cat is inside only, never outside without a lead and lives a perfectly fine life. No feline aids, no ticks, no fights, no stray bastards born. Does not contribute at all to the needless slaughter of native animals.

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      I could take shit from people to some extent but if it is my pets, I am putting a smile on that face

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        I personally can take all kinds of shit because I know my limits. As my pets sworn caretaker I have to do everything in my power to protect them from physical and mental stress, so i won’t let them take any abuse from anyone. Frankly my pets rank higher than a lot of humans in my life and are treated accordingly, I think a lot of people feel that way tbh.

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      Yeah but with a ten year old, talk to their parents first. You want to drench a child without their consent? Okay but they had better be in an environment that can explain to them that this is a tit for tat type thing. A ten year old doesn’t understand a lot of things and it’s not up to the child to perform what we expect them to. Do they need to be corrected, yes. Does doing it so callously benefit anyone? Only a bully. There’s a huge difference between constructive discipline and just straight up punishment. It takes an adult to know the difference.

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        At age ten I was coding in Assembly on my C64 and build radio controlled model airplanes without assistance from an adult… so I guess in this case the ten year old should have a pretty clear understanding of his action and the consequences. And to be honest: What did happen? He got wet. Booo-hoo what a tragedy! Would he have gotten a good spanking (would perhaps have happened when I was this age in the 80s), then perhaps I could slightly understand the outrage from his dad.

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        Ten-year-olds understand quite a lot of things. They don’t always think before they act, but they would absolutely understand this object lesson.

        It’s water. It’s not harmful. Getting splashed with water is most ten-year-olds’ idea of a good time in most scenarios.

        Is this the most constructive way to go about teaching a kid how to behave properly? No.

        Is this going to scar the average kid for life? Also no.

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        talk to their parents first

        This is key. It’s one thing to stop a child from harassing your pet. If you “teach them a lesson” after the fact without the parents’ permission, there are now two wrongs that need to be dealt with.

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    You can tell the people in here thinking it’s ok to retaliate like that are people that live alone with cats or in their parents basement with cats. I have cats and children. Y’all this isn’t the way to go about this.

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      Seriously my first thought if I saw this all occurring and my kid came complaining to me about it is I’d just say “well this is how the cat feels”

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    That the risk you take with an outdoor cat. It’s not even like water is harmful to it.

    I used to have an outdoor cat and if that happened I would have shrugged it off and expected him not to go there again.

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      That the risk you take

      Well someone might just hit your car, that’s the risk you take by driving, nobody got hurt, they shouldn’t be held accountable. I would have shrugged it off and started taking the bus.

      This is fun, we can remove all accountability from everything that’s not harming someone directly!

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      “Nobody got hurt, just LET ASSHOLE BE ASSHOLES! MUH FREEDUMS!”

      Nah, I’m a firm believer in ‘Fuck around and Find out’

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      It’s the risk you take letting your kid go outside. It’s not even like water is harmful to it.

      I used to have a kid that went outside and if thst happened I would have shrugged it off and expected him to not go there anymore.

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      That’s the risk you take with an outdoor brat. It’s not even like water is harmful to it.

      I used to have an outdoor brat and if that happened I would have shrugged it off and expected him not to go there again.

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            Never talked to any gang members huh?

            Well, the joke is that Bloods can’t say things beginning with the letter C, like “Cat,” and the above comment repeatedly used “brat” to replace “cat” as would be done by a Blood. For instance, they don’t say “cracking,” they’ll replace the C, making it “bracking.” Crips will do the reverse, saying C where there once was a B. Yes it’s ridiculous, but that’s what they do, and the joke requires knowledge of this to understand. They also have numbers ascribed to their gangs, 5 is bloods, 6 is crips, so “what’s brackin’ 5” would be something said by some Damu out there to another (a Damu being a member of the bloods, damu means blood in Swahili iirc, and tbf he’d actually say “what’s poppin 5” instead but brackin’ was necessary for the joke.)

            Yes it is silly. Now enjoy my favorite old Blood music video from the 47 Miller Gang, If U Blood Throw It Up

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    As a parent, if my kid did that, I’d likely side with the neighbour. I would put it (very loosely) in the category of “natural consequence” punishments.

    It fits the crime, it discourages the crime, it forces empathy with the cat, and it does no real harm.

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      I think it depends a bit on where the cat is. If my cat is in somebody’s yard and the owner does not like it, it’s perfectly fine to spray my cat with water. In fact I do the same to my neighbours cat to prevent cat fights. If my cat is on neutral territory, I would be more pissed.

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        Agreed, there are 1001 context points that could change things around, one way, or the other.

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      This is my favorite answer. I’d argue that he got less than the natural consequences of his actions. In nature, when one assaults another, even with something as harmless as water, it’s usually reasonable to interpret it as a threat, the response to which is usually violence. That kid is lucky he didn’t get a face full of claws. I’ve gotten a lot worse from gently touching cats that, as it turned out, didn’t want to be touched. Boundaries are important.

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        Natural consequences doesn’t mean “law of the jungle” here. It just means linking cause and effect in a proportionate manner.

        I tend to use a lot of “natural consequence parenting”. Basically, the response should flow from the cause. If you throw water over your friend, you can’t then complain if they throw water over you. You learn that, while it’s fun when expected, it can be deeply unpleasant when unexpected.

        It’s a lot more effective than random generic punishments. The trick is shielding them from excessive results, while allowing proportional ones to play out. E.g. swinging on a chair will get a warning, but often not stopped. When they fall, there’s an “I told you so” before/with the cuddle. If there is a risk of a more serious injury however, e.g. the corner of a table where their head may hit, then I step in and stop things.

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          As a native social media pedant, I’d just like to take a moment to split hairs and point out that’s the literal definition of that phrase.

          With all that said, I’m glad you’ve taken that approach. They’re very lucky to have you. I wish I could’ve had more adults like that in my life as a child. Here’s to you and your contribution to supporting the next generation. May they pass on those values, too.

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            That’s why I clarified. There’s 2 ways to read the phrase, one a lot harsher than the other.

            It seems to be working well. It also results in me being surprised a lot of the time. I’m ready to deal with a scuffed knee, or a bruised ego. Instead they either get back up and try again, or just pull it off. At that point I need to mentally correct for their new capabilities.

            The key thing is, I’m not looking after a small pet, I’m training a future adult. They need to both instinctively understand how the world works, while packing as much awesomeness and magic into the formative years as possible. Letting them learn and practice is a big part of that.

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          I don’t have kids but this is pretty much how my dad raised me. It made me really respect when he gave me a hard no for something, it meant “no really the risk majorly outweighs the reward” and even if I didn’t understand it at the time I trusted it. I got a lot of I told you so after varying seriousness of injuries lol. Eventually I learned that the soft warning meant I was going to have a lot of fun but I needed to be ready for if it went sideways. Now I’ve got a pretty healthy sense of my own limits and when to start gauging risk/reward

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            That’s basically the goal I’m aiming for. It’s also worth remembering to always give an (age appropriate) explanation with the “no”. If you’re using a hard no, then there is something they don’t yet understand. Explaining it lets them integrate that knowledge into their future risk management.

            The only downside is their confidence is high enough to terrify me! The job of containing and shaping that confidence, without damaging it gives me plenty of grey hairs.

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          It’s not really about the proportion. The rest you have right. Things (good or bad) may happen as a result of your behavior (good or bad). Those things are natural consequences. We talk about it a lot in the context of punishing behavior, but natural consequences can also reinforce behavior. Of course, if we design those consequences, they’re no longer natural.

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      I like that approach. But when the parent only has their kid’s half of the story, it’s understandable why they would be pissed. I think most of us would be. Why did they do that to my kid? I’d want answers amd I wouldn’t be happy about it.

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        I suspect most kids who would throw water at a cat like that would not be very good liars about it. Also, adults tend not to dump water on kids for no reason. I would definitely take the time to pick apart what happened, before going full papa bear mode.

        I might be pissed, but my instinct would be to find out who I should be pissed at first, before going on the war path.

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          I agree with you personal. I meant more that people are irrational and if dad comes out back and the kid is soaked and crying, the kids most likely going to say idk she did this to me for no reason