Tesla has confirmed its latest bait-and-switch: Cybertruck owners will not get the Autosteer feature they paid for.
Instead, they will get a year of ‘Supervised Full Self-Driving’.
When Tesla started delivering the Cybertruck in late 2023, the software was incomplete, especially regarding its Advanced Driver Assist System (ADAS) features like ‘Supervised (FSD) Full Self-Driving’, which was included in the price of all early Cybertrucks.
It took Tesla almost a year to start releasing its FSD on the Cybertruck.
After Tesla stopped making new Cybertruck Foundation Series, which are fully loaded with all options, buyers started to have the option of buying the $8,000 FSD package or keeping only the Autopilot package, which is included in the price.
Autopilot’s two main features are Traffic Aware Cruise Control and Autosteer. The first is self-explanatory, while Autosteer is Tesla’s name for active lane keeping.
The vast majority of Tesla vehicle owners don’t buy the FSD package.
As of now, 16 months after Tesla started delivering the Cybertruck, the automaker has yet to deliver Autosteer on the electric pickup truck.
Today, Tesla started reaching out to Cybertruck owners to let them know that it won’t make Autosteer available for Cybertruck owners who haven’t bought FSD:
“As we improve our Autopilot technology, our feature sets will change. Accordingly, Autosteer will not be available for Cybertruck outside of Full Self-Driving (Supervised).“
Instead, Tesla offers a year of free FSD trial to Cybertruck owners.
More details in the article.
My favorite part is how they’re now saying both "full self-driving’ and “supervised”.
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hey look your shitty truck that isn’t the truck is going to be shitty
Autostreer to far right might sound good to some (apparently??) but it’s an issue in actual traffic.
It’s absolutely pitiful that they can’t figure out lane-keeping when a cars a fraction of the price have it.
It’s also a huge red flag that they are shipping “self driving” but can’t do lane keep assist.
They’ve “figured out” lane-keeping - they’re just keeping it reserved for FSD. It’s in FSD. They’re just now flipping to not offer it as a standalone feature, which don’t get me wrong is a shitty move.
Is that the same lane-keeping that Full-Self-Drives into concrete barriers? https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/08/tech/tesla-trial-wrongful-death-walter-huang
Autopilot != full self driving, firstly
Secondly, well done you found that the software in testing wasn’t perfect. Gold Star for you!
I have this on my Honda Fit for fuck’s sake.
Oh they know how to do it. They are just desperate to swindle existing owners since their vehicle sales have fallen off a cliff.
I don’t think they can, because they’re suffering so much from the rectal-cranial inversion that Musk started with his FSD.
Muskrat insists on using computer vision entirely, and building it in-house. Tesla (probably EM) as I recall also insulted MobilEye so they refuse to do business with them. Mind you, I think lane keeping is generally a computer vision problem.
FSD has lane-keeping in it. It’s not up for debate if they can do it or not, because they’ve been doing it for years.
Also I’m not sure what other technology you think they would use for lane-keeping other than cameras and “computer vision”? Things like Lidar don’t work for this because lidar can’t see lane markers. The only way to do it is with cameras.
Both. You can use both LiDAR and optical teaming, the technologies complement each other so you don’t fall for a Looney-Tunes ass painted wall, while the camera covers the one-dimensional recognition that LiDAR can’t.
[Tesla] removed radars from its vehicle lineup and even deactivated already installed radars in existing vehicles. This strategy has not yet been worth it since Tesla’s systems are still stuck at level 2 driver assist systems.
Lidar does not help with seeing lane markers. At all. Radar can’t see painted lines on a road.
That looney tunes wall “test” was ridiculous and Rober was rightly raked over the coals and lost a lot of respect over it. It was basically a marketing stunt by his friends LiDAR company, and was full of dishonesty such as poorly photoshopped phones and lies such as not even using the self driving while smashing into the wall. These glaring flaws have been covered extensively.
Honestly, while not a scientifically rigerous test, it does demonstrate through absurdity the real risks of computer vision only for driver assist features.
Real world examples including of course the Tesla that plowed into a white truck on a foggy day because it mistook the truck for absolutely nothing among too many others
If only they didn’t fake it to get their desired result, then maybe it could have been useful.
I agree that LiDAR and other technologies should be used in conjunction with regular cameras. I don’t know why anyone would be against that unless they have vested interests. For various reasons though I understand that it isn’t always possible - price being a big one.
Shame on you if you still believe promises made by Tesla 😂 They are kinda like promises made by Trump 😆
Yes, yes sir, I’ve found the terrorist, right there! /s
Terrorism! Everything I don’t like is terrorism!
Despite that people love to talk about Tesla and also cybertrucks, this is reminder to never buy anything for promised features. If you wouldn’t be happy with the existing features just don’t buy it.
Isn’t Supervised Full Self-Driving an oxymoron? How can it be both Supervised and Full Self-Driving?
It can’t be both. It’s not self-driving. That’s just what they call it to oversell it. I’m assuming they had to add the “Supervised” part for legal reasons.
They should get fined for being ambiguous and be forced to call it what it is.
It’s called what it is because of the laws that demand any self driving/automated driving be “supervised” and require regular checks that the driver is paying attention.
You’re essentially saying that Tesla should be made to do something that they’re already doing.
Supervised self driving would be fine. “Full self driving” means SAE level 4 or 5, which the Tesla autopilot isn’t, and they don’t need “supervised” in the name as they are specifically for a situations where there simply is no driver - like a robotaxi - so there can be no supervision.
Autopilot and FSD are completely different things.
FSD (Supervised) is not for situations where there is no driver - it’s for situations where the driver wants to just supervise while the car drives itself.
Where is this confusion around FSD and autopilot coming from all of a sudden?
FSD (Supervised) is not for situations where there is no driver - it’s for situations where the driver wants to just supervise while the car drives itself.
The “(Supervised) Full Self Driving” isn’t for situations where the car is Full Self Driving, because Tesla has no functionality that meets SAE level 3/4/5 requirements for Full Self Driving. If you must supervise the driving, then it’s not full self driving.
Not a confusing naming at all.
If you must supervise the driving, then it’s not full self driving
You’re just making your own rules up now lol. You also don’t seem to understand what “supervised” means, nor the laws around cars and drivers. Teslas FSD is in use on roads now. Fully driverless cars are not legally allowed yet - they all need to have a driver in the drivers seat supervising, even if they literally never have to do a single thing.
Fully man… fully.
Its because Elon Musk is an oxy moron
Parentheses, duh.
Supervised Full Self-Driving seems like a euphemism for driving with a driving instructor. You fully drive yourself but someone supervises you while you do it.
No it’s not.
It fully drives itself, but legally you need to “supervise” it. It’s called that because of the laws around driving a car.
How can it be both Supervised and Full Self-Driving?
It is not all the same.
You are full.
The car is self driving.
Tesla’s interns in India are supervising both you and the car.But I haven’t eaten since lunch yesterday 🥲
You know, some are full of solids, some… fluids, and some… even superfluous :)
It finally makes sense
Just like Amazon’s walk in walk out stores where Indian people did the actual checkout for them…
The actual answer: It should be Level 4 autonomy. It is capable of full self driving, but only in certain conditions.
Do note that Tesla autopilot is actually only SAE level 2, so it’s just a straight up lie :)
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umm… good? This might actually might have saved some lives.
By not delivering lane-keeping? I appreciate the unreasoning hatred, but some reasoning would be good too.
Sometimes, my lane assist function thinks that random pot holes and scabby bits of road are lanes and tries to push me over into the path of other cars without warning.
I turned it off.
My car is not a tesla, but from what i understand about teslas, they are prone to this same issue.
I’ve actually found the lane keeping in my Mitsubishi to be basically flawless when operating. Potholes and the like don’t seem to give it any issues at all.
It does lose track of the lanes and periodically disable if the lines are faded or absent for more than a few meters, but at least then it just switches to normal steering and doesn’t swerve me into traffic or anything.
‘bait-and-switch’ They’ll really call it anything but fraud huh.
Bait and switch is a specific type type of fraud.
Yes but bait and switch has less negative connotations and implies some cleverness on the part of the fraduster. Nothing even remotely clever was done here, Tesla made a deal and then flat out broke it Trump Style.
Bait and switch is literally promosing something and fhen replacing it with something else, which is what happened here. It doesn’t imply any cleverness and has extremely negative connotations.
Cultural difference perhaps? I’ve always known it to be more specific, still roughly that but usually the replacement item is visually very similar and the victim accepts it after previously being shown a similar but non-shitty version. Like those black friday TVs you get in the US that look just like the brand name ones people expect them to be but are actually shittier electronics shoved into the same casings. The switch is meant to happen before purchase.
Those companies would get in legal trouble in the US if they admitted to doing it intentionally by calling it a bait and switch. They hide behind legal shenanigans like putting ‘limited supplies’ in fine print.
Everybody hates being on the receiving end of bait and switch. Nobody thinks it is clever except the person committing fraud, and they hate it when someone does it to them.
Tesla commits ‘oopsie-daisy’. Cybertruck makes a ‘big boo-boo’.
So besides Trump and Musk being passionate fuck buddies, how is this legal? Surely this is fraud and deceit right?
A fine is just a fee for breaking the law.
Snake oil salesman.
VW where rightly punished for Dieselgate yet seems like the Texan is getting away with it (again). I also blame the US media. Remember to this date Tesla has never spent a cent advertising in America, their entire hype machine has been fuelled by sites like The Verge (until they eventually woke up a few years back - by which point Tesla had already sold gazillions of shares and took customers deposits). This is why we need real journalism more than ever, the bodies that regulate these cowboys are no longer fit for purpose.
I don’t feel bad for anyone that was dumb enough to buy Elon’s crappy products.
I hope every single person who has, or ever will, buy a cybertruck a lifetime of misery and misfortune
May they stub their toe on every step for the rest of their life
But also may they sue for false advertising and cost Tesla legal fees and result in them being obligated to provide these services for free.
DOGE already defunded that government department.
Nah thats the government’s ability to regulate.
He hasn’t defunded the courts, so private lawsuits can occur. (At least he hasn’t as of today, maybe he will tomorrow)
FSD? Fake Self Driving? False Self Driving? F#@& Says Driver?
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