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I’m seeing this shitty AI style with the thick lines everywhere. It triggers a deep rage in my lizard brain like Corporate Memphis does but it’s much worse
I can’t tell which is more racist
Point to the racism in the graphic?
Pretend this was a depiction of a Jew
Then it’d be a charicature of a Jew? Only Israeli Zionists call everything antisemitic. You’re preaching to the wrong choir.
No, only Zionist try to associate Antisemitism with anti Zionism. This character is an antisemitic depiction of a “large nosed Semetic person”. Which historically includes Arabs. A character that has existed long before Israel or even Nazi Germany. It is a character used to “otherize” these peoples and depict them as “controlling and manipulating”.
And this depiction of the large nosed evil looking character “controlling” western leadship has historically been used to depict Arab Muslims and Arab Jews alike. We associate it’s use primarily with Jewish people because of the history of the Holocaust; which is why I was making that point. Most people understand this is racist if it’s a depiction of a Jewish person but ignore it’s racism when used to depict Arabs.
This comic is essentially using these same stereotypes of “Jews control the world” but applying it to Arab states.
There is criticism to be made of Trumps corrupt dealings with foreign nations for his own profit. But this comic is not doing that. This comic is depicting the foreign states with the same evil looking “controlling” character and I would criticize it’s racism if it was being used to depict Jews or Arabs alike.
Many of the same stereotypes used historically against Jews are being used to “otherize” Arabs today. As this is the current “acceptable” racism in the West.
If you are anti Zionist you should be able to understand this.
lol no. The charicature is not antisemetic, you simpleton.
Google: Semitic People
Semitic people or Semites is a term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group associated with people of the Middle East and the Horn of Africa, including Akkadians, Arabs, Arameans, Canaanites (Jews, Phoenicians, etc.) and Habesha peoples.
Google: “Racist Puppet Master Cartoon” and click images. You’ll see a lot of the same type of a large nosed character “controlling” western leadership. Most famously this one.
You’re the simpleton. You don’t understand history or what words mean. This is just a non Jewish “Semitic” person being drawn in the same racist way that has been done in the past. The same type of otherization and racism is still being used today. Antisemitism against Arabs is just accepted by our society unfortunately.
Simpleton.
You’re failing so hard to understand a comic, yet prefer to namecall. Hilarious.
The first one for sure.
Anti-Arab racism is so normalized that you got downvoted for pointing it out
It’s a charicature. If your charicature bares no stereotypes, it’s not a charicature… Learn how art works before you label everything racist…
Why didn’t they do the same with Trump and made him like a racist stereotype of a white person? Why is the Arab holding Trump not more like the Emir of Qatar who is the intended target and instead purposefully ambiguous and anonymous? The red shemagh isn’t even something commonly worn in Qatar and it is more common in Saudi Arabia. The intention is anti-Arab racism but you are either accepting of it or insensitive to it, proving the point that it is normalized.
a racist stereotype of a white person
They did, he is clearly identifiable as Trump.
…Oh, you didn’t say “a stereotype of a racist white person”
Wow, an example where the AI slop copy is _less_of a racist caricature than the original.
There’s always something new under the sun, I guess.
This is Lemmy trying to decide which racist picture they like better
LMAO then you guys later complain about racism hahahsj
A copy of a racist image is still a copy, and still racist. I don’t see the conflict.
Oh lol I scroll ed some more and there actually are people critiquing over which one they prefer
Hm neither one looks particularly like Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani, and the headdress style is Saudi Arabian in both.
Both are kind of racist as fuck right? Relying on anti-arabic stereotypes to try to inflame fear about this. The Qatari jet is a major problem but it’s not because some sinister Arab is secretly pulling the strings, it’s because foreign governments can buy influence.
It’s the same thing… that “sinister Arab” is the foreign government buying influence, at least in the context of this plane.
how is that anti-arab stereotypes?
the jet is a problem because of… what exactly?
because qatar may be exercising some undue, secret influence, perhaps?
Im so confused about people saying they prefer the ai one. Just to double triple check that were all on the same page here, the ai one is the bottom one, right??
I think the bottom one is extremely boring and the top one looks sick af.
I thought AI was the top one. I actually prefer the AI one in this case. in the first one the guy’s face and nose is square and the the drawing is shitty. the second is clear and not distracting
God forbid an artist ever have style and good control of light. The AI one is plain boring, and has tons of shading errors. The original artists has a cool aesthetic, with lots of detail, vibrant colors and the facial expression looking at the viewer in smugness communicates a lot more than the AI one. So does the orange baby facial expression. It is all more lively and actually translates human emotion that says something about the situation. The AI one is basic and dull in comparison. So, anyways, media literacy…
Yesyesyesyesyes!
So you’re saying the first is stylized and the second is bland. We agree.
I’m with you. The top one is a unique style, while the bottom one is about as generic as it gets, not to mention it has that damn yellowed background AI always uses for comics.
AI can reproduce any style convincingly.
It can with proper prompts, but all we ever see is the generic style shown here.
I think they are both cool 🤷♂️
What, do you not hate everything and everyone all the time like the cool kids?
The AI one is generic and easier to read. Some people like that 🤷♂️
While the original certainly has an actual style, i have to say that I have no fucking clue what I’m looking at with the trump face
An ugly as hell style (IMO), but a style nonetheless. The AI feels like a fastfood drawing.
looks like he’s trying to make plane noises
They exaggerated Trump’s characteristic pucker
Arabs, so menacing
Well, Al Qaeda is our ally now, they even got them to wear nice suits!
Might be an unpopular opinion but honestly the ai one isnt even that bad
I think I prefer the AI one just because I don’t understand what they are going for with Trump’s face in the original. I assume he’s supposed to look like something specific that I’m not understanding.
I think he’s supposed to be making vroom noises
Ahhhh, I think I thought the lips were a nose or something.
Looks like his face was run over by a truck. I can’t make out a face at all in the original.
Duck lips.
They keep getting better. Eventually, they’ll be more appealing than the original. We just think we’re fucked now :)
“Full-self driving next year”
There are taxis out there doing it relatively successfully (not without some issues)
I hope it waits until I’m so old I need it. I won’t mind using it, but I don’t want to live with it right now.
Imo (unless we Are Talking about costs (which again is also very nuanced)) ai will Never be more appealing than the original. Just maybe stand alongside them :)
As an artist myself, I agree.
- It’s a knock-off copy of an original idea
- The copy missed an important detail, clearly intended by the original artist: Trump’s face. In the original artwork Trump is pictured as oblivious to the situation, making the plane noises, acting childish. In the statistical engine generated image, no such emotion is depicted.
- A few important details, actually. In the original the Qatari is looking straight at the “camera”, in a kind of “see this?” way.
- Sloppy gen artifacts everywhere
The Qatari looks dead and lifeless, staring into the distance in the AI one.
The real one he looks quite sinister, like he’s pulling the strings and he knows it. Part of that is, as you mentioned, his look into the camera, and another part is the lighting the artist chose, which is entirely absent in the AI image.
For me I view it as 2 different styles entirely even though its a copy and when you see it that way I think the ai one just gets the message across (Like The Original) which is the most important for me personally. But yea your points are not invalid but the results Are still decent
I’m sorry to tell you this, but your view is incorrect.
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It is not a “style”. The statistical engine has no creative intent. You cannot have a style without intention. An absence of style is not a style.
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It clearly does not get the message across that was intended by the original artist, since it lacks key elements mentioned in my previous reply. It gets ‘a message’ across, but it’s dumbed down and lacks subtlety, as the slop often does…
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I’m sure you clearly understood the message of the original artwork, and you didn’t need the gen one to somehow explain it? If not, I have bad news for you…
Some side Info: I assume This is new Art and Not some caricature from years ago.
Just a layman so im genuinely asking how is the Original one subtle? You can clearly tell this is an arab man (probably saudi or qatar) who basically „controls“ trump? I think Both are quite telling. Yes admittedly compared to the original art it may be slop but I still think its a somewhat decent caricature getting the Right Message across.
Well, on the original, you can see the the date on the side, and it’s based on pretty topical current event. I don’t know why would it be from years before?
The subtle nuances mentioned in my first reply, that were not included in the gen’d one.
And, as mentioned, of course you understand the message, it’s a copy. One wouldn’t exist without the other. One would (and did) exist without the other. I don’t know if you want me to explain what plagiarism is?
Now to be fair I just didnt See the Date, my bad but at least I was Right.
You did not explain the subtleties I was asking for. Yes there is the duck face and the guy staring at the viewer but imho the Lack of these do Not distract from the message nor otherwise negatively affect it (much) as you say.
Because you Said it does not get the Right Message across which is Why I was asking for the subtleties and asking you to explain to me: Whats so lacking when it imo does get the Message across? Am I missing something or is it you?
Its a (cheap) copy yes but not plagiarism by Definition (according to Wikipedia). Besides that opening this can of Worm distracts from Whats important. It gets the message across even if its a copy so im Not sure why you delve into that? I thought This is what the Post is about?
Edit: nvm he did explain subtleties but the Rest still holds up. Also maybe the last sentence wasnt the smartest I Wrote but still its valid that ts gets the message gets across
This post is literally about plagiarism in its definition. So to answer your question - yes, it is you who are misunderstanding.
This is Fuck AI, may I remind you. We do not celebrate that someone has generated a “good enough” copy of an original artwork, but rather discuss the sloppiness of said copies and the sheer audacity of creating such blatant copies, in attempt to pass as original work.
If you choose to purposefully ignore my arguments regarding the missing subtelties and still prefer the, to quote you, “cheap copy”, I have nothing to say to you besides maybe a suggestion to read the rules of “Fuck AI”, because it pretty much aligns with the usual “AI” booster rethoric, where slop is always “good enough” and “better than the artist if you ignore this this and that”.
It’s a shitty, sloppy copy of an original artwork, and I gave you arguments why it is a shitty sloppy copy. If you prefer shitty copies of original artwork, you clearly don’t care about art itself, nor the artist, so I don’t see any point in discussing it with you.
Because it seems that you’re just happy that statistical engines can generate sloppy copies of original artwork. Making/Selling knock-offs is a business and people have been doing it long before the emergence of statistical engines. I just don’t want anything to do with it, nor do I care about people who do.
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When I was studying art in college there was like rules and I forget it was either design class or painting or something but there’s like rules to this stuff and I wish I remembered and I’m gonna try to remember but there’s like a standard like this is already set in stone the tech bros have destroyed everything and people just are unaware that there are already established guidelines i betcha inside of super snooty, pitooty, art critic circles, they would be able to answer my question very quickly.
gestalt principles?
What are you rambling about?
WTF is happening to his face in the original?
I think he’s making airplane noises — maybe the artist wanted to show him as utterly oblivious, and enjoying being a plane
It’s an old racist trope.
The Making of Arab Stereotypes: Racist Portrayals in Political Cartoons during the 1970s Oil Crisis
I meant Trump’s face?
Lmfao
Pucker. Exaggerated.
Interesting. AI cannot make proper caricatures of people’s faces apparently.
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I got the labels right.
You can clearly see that all the AI can do is represent someone’s face in a hand drawn cartoon style. It cannot exaggerate features to make it a caricature like the true artist did.
I wonder how the Borderlands stuff would look of run through ai.
