Really?
I blame it on the working class choosing billionaires over the working class. That’s how we got kamala and biden in the first place.
Agreed. It’s 100% the voters (or absent voters) fault. They knew what they would get if Trump won(generations of damage) and they let it happen. Harris should have been voted in to triage the situation, then protest her while she is in office to bring change.
Actually, it’s people like you who rush from one abuser to the next.
so now we got the worst abuser. Thanks guy. I am sure you can still pat yourself on the back for… wait what was the advantage to letting trump win?
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I am an adult and not a bitchy little brat
If you say so.
better then saying ’ I don’t give a fuck about Ukraine, healthcare and not sending people to concentration camps."
The problem is, that this is what basically happened for as long as I can remember. People vote for a democrat, they don’t really succeed in bringing substential improvements because they have to keep the billionaires happy, and at some point people vote republican again, which then proceed to fuck up everything even harder.
It’s a downward spiral, and in my opinion the only way of breaking out of it is to break it. So either the democrats choose somebody that is likely to improve the quality of life for the broad population, or the republicans win again and break the country completely.
Enabling this spiral by voting for the “lesser evil” will just lead to it going on forever.
The protesting left is willing to let the poor and the minorities suffer damage that will take a lifetime to reverse because they are too fucking lazy to vote in change and hold their reps accountable(by voting in replacements…not sitting on thumbs). Fuck the left protest vote. Complicit fuckers.
What you’re implying is, that because the left has the choice between
- we cut the poor and minorities leg off, and maybe in 4 years people will see how bad it was and will vote more progressive
- we cut one of the poor and minorities finger off, and then in 4 years we’ll choose again, but probably it’ll be between a leg and a finger again.
And chooses the option where improvement can happen instead of feeding into the vicious cycle of the lesser evil, it’s the left that is to fault for fascists coming into power? You’re delusional.
There’s a reason why center parties are called the stepping-stone of fascism. You’d really do yourself a big favor by reflecting your views.
Why wait 4 years? This is your mind set and is why you are ok with Harris not being elected. Reps can be held accountable all the time, not just every 4 years.
Because usually presidents in the USA are elected every 4 years?
But yeah, hold him accountable! As non-american I am just watching y’all anyways.
I never felt Harris actually stood for anything. This is easily the first election where I felt all the decisions made by the DNC were hard wrong - and I already thought the DNC fucked everything up when the turned on Sanders - but this time they really chose every bad option they could. A senior citizen that was absolutely having problems (outside the debate performance) and choosing an inclusivity* candidate that really had a checkered past of making climbing the ladder a priority while having no real policy gains or stances. Even in the lead up to everything, the other candidates were all but brushed aside. No real debate over policy or where the country was going.
She said whatever middle of the road thing needed to be said to appeal to enough people while leveling mealy criticism at best for the real problems, from Israel’s shitty war to attacks worker’s right in the US. We went from a candidate that should have never run again to a candidate that hadn’t given anyone a reason to want her to run at all at the last minute. And that’s awful, especially to lose against trump.
- I hate to even say it, but the fact is that the DNC wanted to run a black female. They banked on the (I can’t think of the word/name for it - people who want to do things for a minority community, but do so cluelessly, remove agency of the group, disregard the actual needs and culture of the group. Usually modestly wealthy white people making “programs” for minority communities) people to vote for the feel-good of voting a minority person up while not actually thinking that people would have needs and policy concerns that would influence their vote, or their willingness to vote at all. The DNC already had “protect the rich white people” as a top priority. They didn’t think people were smart enough to sense that, and everyone really had a feeling that the Democrats didn’t care about them anymore.
Edit: found it. It’s “white saviorism” or “white savior complex.”
Yeah. I don’t know if there’s a term for it, but the Alt-Right Book describes it too: https://youtu.be/wCl33v5969M
This guy’s videos are one of the few things on youtube (other than music videos) I’ll watch sometimes.
Yeah it’s pretty well researched. It’s kind of jarring viewing these videos now because they describe a time when fascists weren’t nearly so overt.
That’s an interesting video, and I don’t think it defines exactly what I was trying to say, but it absolutely is tangential to it.
I want to say White Paternalism, where white people think they know what is best for minority groups, but that name often has an association with racism.
Edit: found it: “white saviorism”
Ah, saviorism. Yeah that’s definitely what you’re describing.
I guess what the video is describing is yeah tangential and/or like a superset. Groups high on the power structure use those who’re lower as proxies for their vying for power/resources/etc.
Yes, the video definitely suggests groups can be used as pawns and virtue signaling for those trying to “help” or use the appearance of it to further an agenda.
I blame it mostly on Biden refusing to drop out, but yes political consultant bullshitters and billionaires are a huge problem. AIPAC especially.
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I’m fully convinced they slow rolled the Trump prosecution so that they could use him to fundraise. I’m half convinced they slow rolled it because they were going to just let it slide if it was clear Trump was going to stay out of politics, because the ghoul club looks out for each other behind the scenes.
And yeah, there’s an actual laundry list of places where they fucked up hard on this last election. A non-exhaustive list includes:
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Lying about Biden’s condition/ not pushing him to step aside because the establishment democrats considers seniority to be the holiest of all political attributes. It’s why they were SO pissed that Obama cut Hillary off and they went on about “it’s her turn!” in '16. Tbh, it’s probably just as much a part of why they shut Sanders out in '16 as him being progressive. Anyway, this meant that we had basically a sham primary. Yes, it was a real primary, but we all know the incumbent always wins the primary, and they lied over and over about his condition until that shit was over with. So, no, I don’t think you can really say it was a fair election, because voters were deliberately deceived by their own party.
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Colluding to get Biden put in. I know someone’s going to come and tell me that the '20 primary was 100% legit and totally not sketchy at all, but I’ll never forget Biden showing up to those debates looking like a freshly reanimated corpse and, all of the sudden, he wins South Carolina (which I do consider legitimate) and all the other candidates start dropping out and giving their delegates to him (which I consider illegitimate because it really smelled coordinated and allowing candidates to pledge their delegates forward is sketchy AF). To me, this is the original sin here. Biden wasn’t a god awful president, but they knew he wasn’t the best candidate they could possibly run, they knew his history, and I will never ever be convinced that they picked Kamala because she was the right person for the job. They picked Kamala because she landed some absolute body shots on Biden about racism in the primary debates, and they needed to clean that radioactive spill up. I think they felt that the most expedient means of doing so was for Joe to get Kamala. I don’t think for two seconds that Kamala was Joe’s choice. This wouldn’t have been all bad if they’d committed to working on polishing Kamala up and getting her out there in the public eye and grooming her as a viable independent candidate a la Gore, but they didn’t. They kinda just shoved her into the broom closet after Biden won and only dug her out after he blew his legs own off on the debate stage. So, that stupid fucking maneuver to shut Sanders out in '20 gave us a president that not many people were excited about; a VP that neither the president, nor the DNC, nor the people liked who would go on to be his natural successor on the campaign trail; all while ensuring that said VP had no distinct political image, and even, due to the righteous trait of seniority, forcing Kamala to assure voters that she absolutely adored Biden’s unpopular policies.
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The DNC didn’t even trust their own candidates. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Kamala is God awful; I wouldn’t have picked her, but she had enough good qualities to work with to stand on her own if they’d trusted her. This is especially true with Walz on her team; they had some real potential if the DNC had got the fuck out of the way and stopped focus grouping them to death. Instead, they picked Kamala and played up what little leftist cred she had and then foisted HRC’s campaign staff on her, made her talk about limited means-tested small business aid, and got celebrities to make guest appearances. They got Walz for his incredible shit talking abilities, then muzzled him. They saw the campaign starting to make its own identity separate from Biden and screamed “NO, YOU’LL DISHONOR OUR SPECIAL BOY. HE WON’T KNOW, BUT WE WILL!” They saw the populist moment, the people crying out for change, and went “hey, shut up, offer them means tested tax assistance. Here’s Obama lecturing down to our base, that always goes over well”.
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They abandoned their strategy of talking about what a dangerous fascist Trump was after that kid in Pennsylvania nearly started a GoFundMe for Trump’s family. Trump didn’t stop being a dangerous fascist, but the appearance of decency was more important than speaking the truth. If Trump didn’t want to get his goddamn brains blown out, maybe don’t go having fascist rallies in open fields. But it gave the perception that they didn’t really believe that he was a dangerous fascist, that they were just saying it until they realized it was dangerous to say it. This was a huge mistake, imo.
I agree, and so does Pelosi
The Dems are a fundraising organization, nothing more, and they love using Trump to do it.
I wonder if she ever went on to have a moment of self reflection there. I doubt it, but I do wonder.
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Bravo! Thank you for saying this, and so well.
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To be honest I’m not even sure DNC has authority over Biden. If Biden says, '“fuck you I’m staying” the DNC has no authority to say otherwise. Within the context of Biden who if one knows his history of politics, being shunned again might force him to double-down more.
I despise the DNC ever since Hillary but I’m fairly sure many of them knew Biden would fuck us but had no power to say otherwise. Maybe I’m wrong?
Not to mention their perpetual blackballing of anyone actually progressive in the party. The neoliberal arm of the DNC has done nearly as much damage to this country as the Republicans have.
For sure. I really do wish someday we will have a serious progressive movement in this country in my lifetime. I HIGHLY DOUBT IT THOUGH!
It’s literally their jobs to prevent this kind of thing and they dropped the ball so hard to protect corporate interests.
When you get paid to do what you’re told to do, that’s your job.
They weren’t paid to stop Trump, they were paid to delay Trump. They weren’t paid to bring reforms, they were paid so “nothing will fundementally change”. They weren’t paid to stop Trump, they’re being paid right now to vote yes on Trump’s wishes.
I don’t dislike Kamala, and Trump is a sociopath. I realize Joe Biden probably had cancer before he dropped out and that’s why he dropped out. But I have to also say that voters probably didn’t like the bait and switch approach where they suddenly felt they had to support her simply because she appeared as the candidate in the last legs of the campaign. I think diversity and female leadership is important, but probably asking undecided voters to go for a POC woman when that’s not who they started out supporting probably didn’t help. Old white centrists don’t like that, and she didn’t have time to build a campaign and show her skills like Obama did. Probably a good chunk of people straddling the line vote wise didn’t love that. We had this happen in Canada recently with our new prime minister Carney, but he’s an older white centrist dude, and we were clearly ok to hold our noses and do it to keep out the conservatives, but I think if it was someone like Kamala they might not have won.
Biden didn’t drop out because of his cancer. He dropped out because that disastrous debate made it impossible for him to win. If he had really wanted to drop for his health, he would have done it at least the year before to give time for a primary.
Even without the debate, Bidens poll numbers for years before the debate made it impossible for him to win. No candidate has ever come from that far behind and won. When Roe went down on his watch his numbers cratered and never recovered. The DNC knew this but they wanted their AIPAC war to continue uninterrupted, or else give the chair to trump, who was their desired pick anyway. So they bought that outcome.
Corporate democrats #1 policy: protect the 1% at all costs
Based on what we know now, Harris would have been a bad president. She lost and didn’t ask for a recount when she should have and then disappeared. AOC and Bernie on the other hand have taken a stand against fascism. I’m with them not the d’s.
Based on what we know now I’m not in the know. What do we know now?
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Cuz they all went to billionaire schools that tells them support billionaires and the economy will be good.
“vote for the least worse bruh”
We don’t want to vote for the least worse, we want to vote for the best.
That will require electoral reform
What does agent Smith have to do with anything?
You hear that, voters?.. That is the sound of inevitability…
How will you vote… without a mouth?
Billionaires chose Trump, so Trump won. That’s how US politics works
seeing all the red, it wasn’t just billionaires.
a lot of hundredaires voted for the billionaire.
I blame on dnc. They should not exist. We already have republican party if we need to vote for a party that works for billionaires. Unless AOC or Bernie, this country is doomed.
I’m so glad we’re still establishing blame for our country descending into fascism. The Dems are in fantastic political shape and have a coherent plan to keep our democracy together.
…this was sarcasm, right?
Yes. Yes it was.
Yeah. The DNC either don’t realise, or refuse to realise, that electing Trump is not in approval of him, but expression of disapproval of the Democratic Party.
i hate the dnc but my perspective is mostly dont vote for the fascist
That disqualifies democrats as well.
How about revising to “vote for the lesser evil”.
Sadly there’s a lot of ignorant and stupid voters out there. It’s fun to watch leopards eat their faces as a bitter consolation prize now that we’re in a full-ass fascist hell.
In other news, waterologists broadly agree water is wet.
I don’t have a ton of confidence the working class would choose someone who did choose them. Bernie is that candidate, and shenanigans aside from the dem primary, he didn’t swing a landslide.
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You do realise that you can cheat against someone even if that someone wasn’t going to win? The opponents using cheats only implies the level of confidence of said opponents, not necessarily the chance of winning for the one being cheated against. While those two are usually related, they don’t necessarily have to be.
No, I’m saying he already chose the working class and it hasn’t galvanized the working class to support him by a significant majority so I’m not sure it would have worked for Kamala. Bernie probably would have won a small majority, but done no better than corporate candidates have because the working class doesn’t seem to galvanized behind a candidate that does choose them.
When Bernie was running the entire mass media did like a 24/7 campaign blasting how he “can’t win”… It was non-stop.
The casual voter didn’t even have a chance to listen to him, he was constantly blasted with nonsense.
I must have been an early ‘out of the cable TV news loop’ person then. Explains some things.
Yeah no, both of my parents voted Biden in the SC primary because they said he was the only candidate who could beat Trump, because thats what cable news told them. The people who voted Biden in the general, and especially the people who voted Biden in the primary will vote exactly as they are told. Its hundred million non-voters whom dont vote because the party offers them fuckall who can be won.
People heard him. He had many rallies and participated in primary debates. He also had a book out, did interviews. He had a very repetitive message which is normally good for politicians. Some of his ideas were very out of the norm for the time, some isolationist ideas-- not saying they were not valid but there was an alternative running that fed into people’s prejudices and encouraged them to be hostile and mean- fed their dopamine centers, and said the words “communist” and “socialist” a lot. Also there were a lot of Democrats who wanted to vote for a Democrat, not a “Democrat for convenience.”
He is too old to run for president. Can’t we just stop with the gerontocracy?
Quiet down bot. Your comments are irrelevant to the topic at hand.
No one is suggested Bernie run – they are suggesting the system that knecapped him be examined and anyone involved in it dethroned. at minimum. We cant keep doing this stuff.
I don’t disagree that we need younger people, but the majority of voters seem to disagree seeing as how they chose two fucks just as old as he was
They kneecapped him in 2016? He was the only one who could have beaten trump the first time?
Most of the US working class still hates and fears the things that benefit them, such as socialist policies and unions. Propoganda dies hard.
The Schumer Strategy. They just can’t give it up no matter how many times it fails. (they will try again)
