The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.
The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.
The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.
The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.
Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.
Just when I feel like dystopian news can’t really disturb me anymore…
Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all…
How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:
A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target’s family, if not everyone in the apartment building.
Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.
They are flying jets, using drones, and even small explosives. The homes of these scientists were severely damaged. The richest countries of the world are backing Israel.
Is this just Israel putting out propaganda? These scientists thought they were safe at home. Sinister! Super secret weapon that blows up apartment buildings. Sounds revolutionary!
As usual this is teenage boy logic. They are posing with their guns as recruitment propaganda. No it’s a super secret magic cool gun from god you haven’t even heard of it because it’s so futuristic and we’re cool so not at all evil, right
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Anyone who gets uncomfortable with government surveillance because it could be used to target certain demographics of people needs to look no further than what Israel has done to prove their point.
The only thing stopping the world from autonomously targeting people by online demographic is common human decency, and humanity is running on very short supply of that these days.
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But that is their dream for the future. Purely automatically managing the populace as some sort of a farm.
It’s an arms race. Like at any other point in history. Between those who think personal dignity and freedom and equality are a mistake of history or a device to keep the herd patient, and that they deserve to rule, and those who don’t.
The good part is that this has already been tried. A fast system with deadlocks is not that different from a slow system with deadlocks. And a big redundant system deterministically degrading in itself is not that different from a smaller less redundant system deterministically degrading in itself. No USSR and no Nazi Germany anymore on the map.
The parts about lying and false pretense of law and democracy are new, but not too much - rulers of Frederic the Great’s time had false pretenses of knightly behavior and following imperial mechanisms. One can even compare 30 years war to our two world wars in the sense of creating a new world order, which was considered impossible to change due to endless horrors following that, but eventually become a farce.
Think about this when you see politicians trying to pass absurd laws like banning all regulation of AI. AI is a cover to remove any last semblance of accountability for atrocious and illegal activities
Exactly. There need to be rules that make people responsible for decisions made by software.
Politicians attempting to ban AI regulation are only shielding OpenAI, Microsoft, Google, etc. Those same politicians will pearl clutch about Hugging Face or DeepSeek in the same breath. It’s just about money and the arms race. Abdicating responsibility to AI would require either a change in how we regulate people or a granting of rights/responsibility to AI. Though I don’t doubt we will see people try to blame AI for their poor decisions.
israel and the us all deserve the nuremberg treatment for their crimes
The Nuremberg trials were a media propaganda circus.
Exactly SIX nazis got the death penalty.
The US/UK did everything they could to help the fascists escape and save them from the Soviets, rehabilitate them and keep their power.I agree with the spirit of your comment. Germany lost, fascism won. But as far as I can see there were close to 40 death sentences out of 160 convictions. Where are you getting your data?
Out his ass like everyone on the internet.
lol joker
death sentences were not all executed.
In line with my comment.
But OK, they executed ELEVEN people.
Even 40 would be ridiculous.Please understand that I’m not some liberal, and I’m open to your perspective. I’m not being argumentative, I’m just asking for a source. I’m interested in finding out more about the Nuremberg trials, and typically google suggests libbed up shit, so I’m asking you specifically to help me out.
I understand, and it’s good that you want to find out stuff.
I’ll gladly try to help.I think it’s important not to focus on Nuremberg but understand the purpose of it in the big picture about WW2.
Like I said, the Nuremberg trials where a show trial.
To say to the world: ‘look here, justice has been done and the bad nazis are punished, we can move on now’.
They made an example of those on trial and the world could enjoy watching a few of them hang.I’ll post some links to what is swept under the carpet and never taught in schools, the uncomfortable truth that US/UK/Eu capitalists had no problem with fascism and helped it survive.
That they went to great lengths to save awful warcriminals and made sure other nazis remained in power in Europe.https://ebeggin.substack.com/p/ratlines-nato-and-the-fourth-reich
https://www.businessinsider.com/former-nazi-officials-in-germany-post-world-war-ii-government-2016-10?r=US&IR=T
https://www.dispropaganda.com/single-post/2019/04/04/natos-secret-nazi-past
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_Gs-0dhOoThe support for fascists continued post war too:
Covertly, as for example in Project Aerodynamic
But even openly, as they saw no problem in accepting clear fascist states like Spain (Franco), Portugal (Salazar) or Greece into NATO.
Some more proof : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sunrise_(World_War_II)
Absolute and complete bullshit.
Here you go, I have FACTS what have you got?
https://ebeggin.substack.com/p/ratlines-nato-and-the-fourth-reich https://www.businessinsider.com/former-nazi-officials-in-germany-post-world-war-ii-government-2016-10?r=US&IR=T https://www.dispropaganda.com/single-post/2019/04/04/natos-secret-nazi-past https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_Gs-0dhOo
US/UK also had no problem taking Spain, Portugal, Greece and other completely fascist countries in NATO.
Capitalism and fascism have always been good friends.
LOL cowardly downvotes for inconvenient facts and…
awkward silence…Sounds like those guys were good at their jobs - jobs which demand following orders.
When you’re putting together a military force, do you want to train every level of it to think for themselves and only follow the “good” orders?
Thanks person from the Meloni Mussolini country
On the Internet nobody knows if you’re a Frog, or not.
Okay buddy Nazi sympathetizer
It’s not about Nazi or any such thing, it’s about abilities. They didn’t draft the whole German army, just the ones they thought would make them stronger.
You didn’t check any of the links I gave.
No surprise then you know nothing and are one of those who typically only heard of ‘Operation Paperclip’ where they used some ‘harmless scientist’ like Werner Von Braun, etc…
Who was not only a member of the nazi party but an SS member.So nazi whitewasher, look at the links and explain why they evacuated an entire SS-Galizien Division from ukraine?
The ones who murdered 40000 jews in 2 days at Babi Yar and put 4000 antifascist civilians in a mine shaft and then blew up the entrance leaving them to die horribly?Or why save warcriminals and let them live their lives in S-America?
- what a stupid fucking name
- why does Israel get to have nuclear weapons
- why does no one ask question 2
- Why is it ok for them to assassinate civilians?
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Why not?
Daily on Lemmy there are thousands of calls to murder X or Y person who doesn’t agree with collectivist ideology.
Why would it be different for them?
Are they in the room with us right now?
Sure, just check the modlog, there is thousands of murder calls and violent action calls erased everyday. That’s the ones that get reported.
I feel comfortable saying no one here is surprised in the slightest by the level of violent discourse shared in here on Lemmy
Because lemmings that try doing it would be pulled in front of a judge if they went public about it afterwards. It would a) just be a single person that would b) face consequences for that action.
Israel on the other hand is a state level actor killing civilians in another jurisdiction. I know it’s just another war crime between many others at this point, but it bears noticing just how little the consequences have become
Because you don’t wanna be an antisemite, do you? /s
Unfortunately the answer is pretty simple. The USA and Israel are best buddies and if the USA says their buddy can have a nuclear arsenal who is going to stand up and tell them otherwise?
Why does anyone get to have nuclear weapons?
Because once you have them, who’s going to try to take them away?
See Budapest Memorandum
yeah but if Israel gets them the countries they keep bombing should also get to have them. the country that jerks off to 2A somehow doesn’t think so.
should?
Wait what
yes. the fact that Iran doesn’t have nuclear weapons and Israel and the US still went after then is proof that they should have had nuclear weapons. because guess what would happen if they did. Israel would have stayed the fuck away.
Clearly not working, Israel and the us have them nukes and that’s not stopping Iran and Palestine from retaliation
Or do you see them staying the fuck away?
Because I certainly don’t
lol what. yeah the parties that don’t have the nukes do retaliate when the parties with the nukes are the aggressors. Iran didn’t start a war. Palestine isn’t even involved in a war that’s just genocide.
You are clearly seeing having nukes has no effect on retaliation, so why would you insist on it?
USA is at the core of the Western-Imperialist hedgemony & Israel, Japan & Pakistan gets to have them because they are Pro-Western imperialism
Japan doesn’t have nukes though. They don’t even allow nukes in their territory. They could make them if they wanted to, they have all the necessary industry to make them, but they don’t actually have any.
There’s word of sharing nukes with the US, thanks to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and threatening to nuke any nation that tries to help them, but I’m not sure that’s actually gone ahead.
Iran is a terrorist state run by lunatics. Them and Israel having them is even worse than Israel having them.
weird how Israel is the one that keeps invading other countries, not to mention terrorizing palestine for its entire existence.
In 1994, Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for security assurances from the United States, the United Kingdom, and Russia.
A huge mistake, apparently
Yeah, seems like the lesson is build nukes at all costs, as it’s the only safeguard against attack.
Also see Libya’s nuclear program.
Typically, no one wants to die for stupid shit, especially when they are in the wrong. But when there is no consequences such as dying, a.k.a no nukes, why not go to war and take everything? There’s no morals between countries…unless enforced by nukes.
This is why I’m pro nuclear armament of all countries.
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or does it?
This is the dumbest possible position because it maximizes the chance that they are used. There is no reason to think mad working was likely amongst a few actors and it almost failed repeatedly. There is even less reason to suppose it scales.
If they do need to be used anyway, then it was perhaps for the best.
shut up
Your mod history tells me you aren’t worth knowing. Blocked.
I have always been amazed that countries are allowed to get away with this. You would expect that a country that does this would have their leadership rounded up by an international strike force instantly and hauled to Hague.
Drone fired rounds? Creepy as fuck.
Jesus they killed everyone in the apartment complex including their kids how is this not a war crime?!?
Marking people for assassination looks normal to the times of Israel. Nice people.
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Evil state? Which one are you referring to?
All of them.
Clearly Iran and Palestine
Financing multiple group of terrorists which biggest victims are the own countries the terrorist come from sounds pretty evil
You know Israel escorted cases full of millions of dollars in cash into Gaza to Hamas every month. It was a well known thing. So if funding Hamas was funding terrorism, Israel was well aware and supporting it.
Funny how precise they can be when they want to be.
It’s guaranteed the number of bystanders that were killed while they killed these “targets” is not zero.
Bet it isn’t a refugee camp sized amount nor an entire city blocks worth though.
Are you ok with just accepting any innocent humans as collateral damage? Bc as far as slippery slopes go, accepting that is a fast track to dehumanization.
I don’t believe those scientists deserved to die, but even if you do, why did their spouses and children deserve to die too?
Try to imagine you’re the neighbor of that scientist. Good chance you’ve barely interacted with each other more than a passing nod of acknowledgement when you’re coming and going from your home. Do you and your whole family deserve to die bc of proximity to a target?
Apply that same question x all 10 scientists they killed. It almost makes the KGB targeting people with poison seem like humanitarian work by comparison.
If these were your friends and family being killed by a foreign government while they slept in their beds, you would have to be a psychopath to just brush it off as necessary collateral damage.
Cell phones exploding?
I’m guessing it’s witheld from publication because they are explicit US tech (eg Predator drones) that has been used to strike whole apartment buildings just to take out (possibly, if the intel is even correct) one scientist. Would look really bad when the US is still pretending they’re not really part of the conflict.
My bet is on small assassination drone. People like having windows in their bedroom. Small drone flies to house, has some mechanism to break window, then blows up once inside the bedroom.
I bet it’s unpublished not because its technology of any particularly impressive degree. Its unpublished because everyday people could easily design the same thing with enough minor technical expertise. They train cadets at West Point to build this exact type of shit out of consumer goods for a reason
Could also be unpublished because the method was absolutly inhumane.
Exactly, they didn’t just kill an individual, they bombed the whole building/block the individual was in - my personal believe.
How would the methodology of the assassination be secret if they had bombed an entire apartment block? Also bombing innocent lives isnt something the Israeli government tends to be concerned about hiding
I wonder how many civilians Israel killed in the process. It’s probably a lot more than 0.
Vibe warfare sounds like a terrible idea
But oh so lucrative, and with a catchy phrase…
I see moneybags in this idea, wonder who will first make it a reality…
I generally don’t believe Iran was on its way to building nuclear weapons, only nuclear energy. But, if we were to entertain for a moment the notion that they were, this is all pretty badass no?
But, since it’s not the case this whole thing is frightening. Israel is a terrorist state and I’m tired of pretending otherwise.
