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      In all seriousness: it was an ectopic pregnancy, 5 weeks along. Technically legal to perform under Florida law, so in theory it shouldn’t have been a problem to have it done even under current law.

      To be clear, none of this is meant to be an enforcement of that law, any other laws about abortion on the books, or the anti-abortion movement in general. I can absolutely understand providers being skittish about anything even remotely borderline with these laws in place, just trying to get the basic facts into the comments because good arguments are worthless if it’s about incorrect facts

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        I can absolutely understand providers being skittish about anything even remotely borderline with these laws in place,

        And that is the whole issue here in a nutshell. Doctors and nurses are putting their careers and freedom on the line just brushing up against these draconian laws. If I were in their shoes I too would be very skittish.

        I’m neither a doctor nor a woman, but can they really draw a line saying this day is in the sixth week and tomorrow is in the seventh? A line that would hold up in court if it had to?

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          If it’s a matter of days you could probably just lie about the timing of your last period. Those weeks are calculated from the date of your last period, not from the date of conception, so as long as you’re the only one who knows your cycle you could probably lie a little bit.

          Which also makes a 5 week deadline more insane than most people realize. Given a steady 4 week cycle, you have 1 week to realize your period is late, schedule and perform an abortion. A lot of people do not have a steady cycle, and those may very well not notice until it’s too late, even if they track their cycle.

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            As I understand it, they are, in away. Many are moving to less draconian states where they can still practice evidence based medicine, or even to other countries.

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          And is there any medical proof that can stand up to brainworm addled pseudoscience in court ? Would you bet your career and your freedom on that?

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      She’s in the elite ruling class, so she gets to do whatever the fuck she wants with impunity while projecting false accusations onto anyone who fits in the ‘other’ category while her dumbass base of uneducated gerrymandered trolls eats it up.

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      SHE needed one. That’s the only reason. The answer was No for everyone else, but Yes for her. Nobody can kill babies but her.

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    I have to wonder if the Doctors weren’t trolling her a bit. She had an ectopic pregnancy at 5 weeks. Not only is the abortion necessary, it was within the six-week limit, so it was perfectly legal on all counts. So why would they claim they were confused about the law?

    I suspect they wanted to teach an arrogant Florida Republican a lesson about politics encroaching on the medical decisions between a doctor and their patient, and made her jump through a bunch of hoops first, just to make her feel the fear, anxiety, anger, and frustration of the average citizen whose medical care is being dictated by MAGA Nazis.

    Remember, we are only hearing the side of a professional MAGA Nazi, so she’s a proven liar.

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      That would have some significant medical ethics issues. She nearly died. Do no harm, and that’s regardless of the patient’s political ideology.

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      “roughly five weeks”

      Since weeks are counted from the beginning of her last period, not conception, this operation must have happened within one week of her missed period. Perhaps it wasn’t so clearly within the law.

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      The 5 weeks pregnant vs 6 week ban is a bit more ambiguous than you might think.

      The Florida 6 week ban calculates the 6 weeks from the first day of the last menstrual period, not from fetal size or date of conception. https://abortiondefensenetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Florida-April-2025-2-1.pdf

      In general, ovulation occurs 12-17 days into the menstrual cycle. Florida’s ban is more like a 3 to 4 week ban than a 6 week.

      Edit: spelled ban as can once

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    Honestly wish they’d have let her die and made it clear to her it was on behalf of what she fought for. Bitch doesn’t deserve to doom so many women and live despite being a would-be victim of her own evil.

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    She’s somewhat got a point still
    Democrats have become complacent in letting the repub’s hysteria spread like a bad virus.
    We got no one left to blame but ourselves atp, right?

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      “it’s not your fault Lisa. I shouldn’t have let you let me get so carried away”

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      No. You’re the exact opposite of right. Also the exact opposite of smart.

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        I didn’t claim to be smart, but I’m also not seeing anyone spell out how I’m wrong either.

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          So, basically you’re saying is that you’re right by default because no one is willing to challenge your opinion? The reality is that it’s easier to just down vote such nonsense then attempt to address it.

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            I don’t think that’s what I’m ‘basically saying’ I was just highlighting that if I’m wrong, no one has made it known to me or others specifically why I’m wrong or on what grounds. This has been a fun experiment to see what insults and downvotes can be hurled over a lot of nothing.

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              This has been a fun experiment to see what insults and downvotes can be hurled over a lot of nothing.

              Trying to put yourself above others by claiming all of this was some sort of elaborate “joke” really is not good look for you.

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                Apologies, but we are temporary text passed via electrons–I promise I didn’t intend to position myself above others as a joke. I don’t know who’s worried about how they look on the fediverse, but that would be kinda silly, wouldn’t you agree?

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          “It’s not my fault for spreading misinformation, hysteria, and making overt moves to oppress others. It’s your fault for not stopping me.”

          Validating and correcting information takes time, research, and evidence. Spewing garbage only requires a mouth and optional amplification.

          Bullshit is impossible to stop this way because it travels faster than the corrections. By the time the crap is addressed, there are people who will still believe it in the face of evidence and in defiance of reality, and in the meantime, six more pieces of bullshit to debunk have popped up.

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            Worst of all, the people that need to hear the debunking live in a right-wing media universe where they’ll never hear an honest take on it, or never hear about it at all.

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            I know I’m messing this quote up, but “A lie can travel around the world a half dozen times before the truth finishes tying its shoes.”

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          I’m also not seeing anyone spell out how I’m wrong either

          At no point is one group accountable for another group’s actions in cases like this.

          How’s that?

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          Because she’s blaming the other side for the immoral policies she supports, and you are validating it.

          It’s like blaming the victim of an abuser because they should have listened better, and done what they were told.

          Democrats are under no obligation to make things easier for MAGA policies that oppress citizens.

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    ok, now i’m “fearmongering” you to shut your disgusting overfed pie hole

    oh, it didn’t work? what. a. shocker.