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It’s good to slow down to get the traitor off your ass, but be careful: our traitor zoomed around us and cut us off out of spite. My girlfriend pointed out that behavior like that will get that worthless dumbfuck shot one day.
Have you ever slipped and accidentally honked at someone?
How is that even possible?
Easy. I did it the just other day because I forgot that my new CRF250L is a Honda, and the position of the turn signal switch and the horn are reversed from every other bike I own, and probably not coincidentally every also other motorcycle brand on the planet. Some guy in the lane next to me got super butthurt because he thought I honked “at” him as I was completing my turn, which was quite hilarious to watch. (He was in the far left lane, I was doing a right on red from the right lane. There is no conceivable reality in which anything I was doing would be related to him, if not for the fact that he had Main Character Disorder.)
Very possible st stops. I’ve done it once, shocking myself more than the other driver.
Oh yeah. At a stop sign or traffic light, slow traffic, kinda rested my arms on the wheel and hit the horn on accident. Felt like an ass.
The only reason I accept to not let these people pass is if it forces you do something unsafe, like throwing yourself over to the next lane and slamming on the brakes to match speed with the other cars. Otherwise just give them the lane and let them be a reckless ass somewhere else away from you. Safer that way. It’s not your job to enforce traffic rules.
Exactly. You have no clue why they’re speeding either. Sure it could be some a-hole, but it could also be someone with a medical situation, or someone that’s about to poop their pants.
When I was younger I used to stay in the lane. Now I move over if it’s safe, and let them pass. Not worth the chance of accidentally upsetting a psycho.
I agree it’s safer to let them pass, but a medical (or personal) emergency does not give you the right to endanger other people on the road by driving fast and/or recklessly. That’s why they paint priority vehicles in bright colours and put flashing lights on them - to make it safer for everyone.
If you have a medical emergency, you call an ambulance. Yes, they will have to drive to you first, but care starts when they arrive. If the emergency isn’t big enough to get an ambulance, there’s no reason to drive fast either.
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Being in the US, I’d order an uber before I call for an ambulance. Even with insurance I’m afraid to test that debt machine.
Have you seen how expensive an ambulance ride is?
Where are y’all going that you gotta pretend real life is GTA? Ain’t nobody need you that bad. You’re late. Get over it.
Fragile egos behind the wheel combined with pettiness are the worst.
Kevin vs Karen.
Only time I’ve been close to road rage was when a Mercedes CL had a really bright LED strobe light installed inside it’s front grill and he activating it, if somebody was in his way.
It wasn’t a cop or other emergency vehicle. Just an asshole.
I was lucky to be in front of him for 15 minutes when traffic got compacted enough to prevent lane change.
For a moment I considered hitting the brakes on that particular tailgater.
Sometimes you can adjust your side mirrors to reflect such a light into the driver’s eyes
People keep saying this but I tried it and its really hard to do that and concentrate on driving.
Yeah the one time I tried it I ended up just mucking up my own mirrors and not managing to shine the light back in their eyes
That works. Also, back when I delivered pizza I kept a rather large LED flashlight in my cupholder all the time, ostensibly for spotting mailboxes and house numbers. (This was back in the day when having a powerful LED flashlight was a big deal, not like nowadays when you can get 3 for $10 on Amazon or whatever.) Pointing it out the back window usually got the point across when asshats felt the need to sit three feet off my back bumper and shine their high beams at me.
Shit if I find myself night commuting again on back roads I might have to keep such a flashlight in my car. I’ve had so many trucks light up my entire fucking cabin with their illegal light mods
My attorney has advised me to make no statements whatsoever regarding the applicability of the Lumintop Thor Mini I just bought the other week, which outputs a mere 250 lumens but does so in a narrow cone that’s got, to my reckoning, a divergence of only about four or five degrees.
I’ll have to do some measuring later, but at rear-windshield-to-asshole distance it’ll only throw a spot that’s probably about a foot wide, delivering maximum fuck you with a minimum of collateral damage.
that’s pretty expensive for 250 lumens. i can get 500 for a third the price.
In an LEP light? A regular LED, sure. But those lack the novelty of being able to lance somebody in the face with a laser beam.
You know, I get it, they’re probably just an asshole. Maybe they’re having an emergency, though. How about just letting them get around in case there is a good reason for driving recklessly? Or maybe just in case they’re nuts enough to make things violent?
Going 20 is the definition of “letting them pass”. Or should she have ran off the road so the tailgating ahole could continue on going 90 in a 50 zone?
Move out of the passing lane generally is the simple and legal thing to do.
This.
Lived in Korea for awhile, and they generally seem to not have this kind of vindictiveness or self-righteousness. They’re usually like, “I dunno. Either they got a reason, or it’s not worth the effort for me to do something about it.”
That said, social pressure is much more effective here, so the vast majority of people fall in line. See COVID
I mean, the text say the guy honked for going “70 in a 50”.
If you take it at face value, the person posting is the asshole and a terrible driver endangering everybody on the road.
No one is in danger strictly because of 20 over. Please. Our speed limits are insane and not grounded in safety.
I never really looked into this (relation between speed limits and accidents/safety), so I figured I’d verify your statement with a quick google search and it turns out you’ve got it all wrong. There is a deep well established link between speed limits and accident risk, see for example here:
Now you know! :)
We’re talking about speeding and you post some study about absolute speed? GTFO🤣.
You want to talk about absolute risk? What’s the increase in risk when you set an arbitrarily low speed limit on a highway clearly able to handle high speeds? When you look at the reality of induced road rage and creating large deltas in speed?
You’d be that politician giving yourself a pat on the back while ignoring the actual effects of your policy.
I would actually hear you answer these questions. I don’t see how lengthening break zones, decreasing reaction time and so on wouldn’t increase risks more than people being getting dangerously mad at the speedlimit. And as a cronic speeder i would like to have something other than shrugs and shitty excuse for my behavior.
Most people don’t drive speed limits. They drive the speed the road is designed for. When you put arbitrarily slow limits on highways most speed. Those that don’t then create dangerous speed deltas and road rage. These well known behaviors are already included and designed into the stats and engineering.
Typically highways will have higher percentage of fatal incidents but a much much much lower frequency and lower absolute number per mile. Well designed variable rate highways, even with a higher % fatality rate overall are safer.
NHTSA Road Type Crash Rate (per 100M VMT) Fatality Rate (per 100M VMT)
Urban Local Roads ~350–500+ ~1.5–2.0 Rural Local Roads ~200–300 ~2.0–3.0 Urban Collectors ~200–300 ~1.0–1.5 Urban Arterials ~100–200 ~1.2–1.8 Rural Arterials ~80–150 ~1.5–2.5 Urban Freeways/Interstates ~60–100 ~0.5–1.0 Rural Interstates ~40–80 ~0.6–1.3
By pushing traffic more quickly and reducing congestion you’ll lower the totals while increasing the frequency that an individual is killed.
The speed must be designed into the infrastructure and if you’re designing roads where you commonly have a 20 mph delta it’s likely a shitty designed urban artery. And unless you’re going to invest in trains and start kicking people off the road or put them into debt for speeding, people are going to do what makes sense at the time.
Thank you for a well writen respone!
Oh hey look a guy on the internet who doesn’t when someone contradicts his baseless claims with evidence. There’s something you don’t see every day.
Oh hey, some guy mouthing off who doesn’t understand how relative and absolute risk work who just went off to have Google to search for the phrase that validates their assumptions. Rare sighting indeed.
Facts don’t care about your feelings. You’ve presented zero evidence to the contrary, how are you this confident about your assertion? This is such a joke
The forces involved in a collision grow exponentially with speed. It’s basic physics
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 bravo. Further showing the lack of understanding. Just fantastic.
No one is in danger strictly because of 20 over
More speed = more danger. Simple as that.
Source: https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/topics-tips/speeding
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And the other guy is the bigger asshole for honking at the poster for going too slowly when she’s doing 20 over.
If you take it all at face value, that is.
The other person would have to be doing 70 as well, in order to honk at them.
Could’ve honked while being overtaken
Sure. There can be more than one terrible driver endangering everybody on the road at the same time.
I’m constantly, endlessly disappointed at how hard it is for human brains to accept that two people disagreeing with each other can both be wrong.
The only thing I was in disagreement over was that you said “was the asshole”.
When they were both assholes all along.
The alternative interpretation is that the second driver was doing 50, and honked at the first driver when they passed doing 70.
I mean, fair enough, on a technicality at least.
The destination was the assholes we met all along.
She’s taking selfies while driving, clearly she’s the better person
I could be wrong but it looks like a dual direction dash cam. Since it’s the internet, the text and pic might have never been related. Also, the person doing over 70 in a 50 couldn’t overtake at 20? The whole thing seems like rage bait.
Is this lady using her phone while driving, after speeding by 20MPH and thinking it’s a flex? If she uses it at 20MPH I’d bet she uses it at 70 MPH too! Couldn’t this have waited until she was safely off the road?
I expect this is sarcasm (can’t know, because of Poe’s)
But for anyone genuinely thinking this you can see the dashcam source in her glasses reflection.
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My spirit animal
Same day different asshole.
This comment section is a very good case study in why better public transportation is absolutely necessary: a lot of you should not ever drive.
- Escalates the angry driver situation.
- Takes photos while driving.
Neither driver here is in the right.
I don’t need to be right.
Fuck you Kevin you piece of shit.
Who is Kevin?
Did you even read the post youre commenting in?
Didn’t notice the name 😔
going 70 in a 50
Both drivers deserve to lose their license
I don’t think losing their license is the right approach. I don’t think scolding them is the approach either. I think most people don’t realize that driving is a cooperative event. And to not only accept that and also expand on it helps most road rage go away.
Probably not. It could be in the middle of nowhere or on a road where the speed limit hasn’t been evaluated and the state default is 50. There are tons of roads like that in California or even some where the limit is in the 30s but it really shouldn’t be and locals are in the 60s usually.
Well if you operate a death machine it would be realy nice if you could follow the rules and not kill somebody. Of course the rules should be reasonable but being unable to follow them means you should not be operating a death machine
There’s no reason to follow unreasonable rules even when you’re driving a death machine. Especially when not following the rules has an essentially near 0 difference in hurting someone with your cage of death(not trying to be sarcastic with cage of death). Many of these roads are designed for much higher speed limits but just have not been evaluated by the government for their speed limit and possibly never will be or they will be evaluated at a much lower than reasonable speed. For example the speed limit of most California freeways is 65 traffic moves at 80 regularly and sometimes when people are feeling frisky up to 90. Neither of those speeds are unreasonable when everyone around you is also doing them and people are used to those situations or understand they will be in those situations. A great example is Germany where parts of their freeways have no speed limit where people are doing in excess of 120 mph and semis are also using it at under 60.
Based on experience, I don’t trust random assholes to determine for themselves when a rule is unreasonable. You’re unreasonable with this take and presumption about yourself. This makes you dangerous to society. You’ll prove that even more as you disagree.
You do not get to determine on your own that your actions have near 0 consequences. That’s some level of psychopathic thought and just reinforces why we have some rules. It’s also a lack of empathy or consideration of others.
You’re breaking a rule operating a dangerous machine, and you’re trying to shrug it off as no big deal. Dangerous.
Dude when I said that they have near 0 consequences I was talking about how 90% of the time in these situations there basically no one around doing 150 miles an hour wouldn’t hurt anyone else. Breaking a rule when no one else is around or everyone else around is doing the same thing is not dangerous. In the case of everyone going 15-25 over the limit it’s actually safe. C’mon homie think about it.
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calls random people assholes and psychopaths with little to no provocation
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claims other people lack empathy and consideration
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You, The Master Driver, are amply equipped to decide what the true speed limit should be.
That’s easy to agree with in isolation, but many times on the main roads near me the normal flow of traffic in the slow lane can be 20 over. Driving at or below the speed limit would create a significantly more dangerous situation than cruising along at the same speed as the nearest several cars.
Yeah, you’d be operating in a more legal way, and the faster drivers around you should be able to safely deal with it, but that doesn’t mean the risk isn’t there.
This is a bullshit talking point used by psychopaths to try to justify their antisocial behavior. If the people around you are going so fast that just doing the speed limit becomes unsafe, they are the ones wholly responsible for creating those unsafe conditions. They are driving faster than the conditions (and let’s be real, their own ability) would reasonably allow for, they are the only ones that should be held responsible for the consequences of their freakish behavior.
Again, that sounds good on paper. In reality, I turn into an on-ramp and I’m approaching a line of cars going 75 mph. There happens to be a sign that says they should be limiting themselves to 55 mph.
If I merge at 75mph, the state of the roadway is essentially unchanged. If I merge at 55mph, I am introducing a new risk that was not there previously.
The state of the road in your scenario is already unsafe because of the people doing 75. Every. Single. Study. Shows that there are less crashes and they are less lethal when everyone just slows the fuck down. But none of you entitled fuckwits will accept even the tiniest bit of personal inconvenience for the sake of your own safety and that of everyone around you, so we have to live in fucking Mad Max instead.
-sees traffic moving down the road with no accidents
“Is this Mad Max?”
Cool, they are the ones that will get in trouble for the accident that I am still involved in. I’d much rather not be involved in an accident than be “right”.
Is this about safety, or is this about blind adherence to the law?
Every study we have shows that the roads are safer, there are less crashes and they are less deadly when everyone just goes slower. But apparently you would rather risk getting turned into a rorschach splat than advocate for the thing that actually makes roads safer.
Yup, I’m sure the highway is much safer if everyone is traveling at 10. However, if I’m the only one traveling at 10 I have made the highway much more dangerous.
I’m advocating for not being a fucking idiot and causing an accident because in theory it’s safer to travel at slower speeds.
What you’re advocating for is allowing entitled psychopaths to set the speed everyone is forced to go because you somehow think that if someone is doing 90 in a 55 and hits someone actually doing 55 that it was the normal person’s fault.
I’m obviously not saying anyone should be doing fucking 10 on the highway, I’m saying nobody needs to be doing more than the speed limit.
You’re in the wrong argument. The argument was about speeding and you’re trying to bring up recklessness in a mote general sense. Twisting the argument to make a poor point.
You don’t justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.
This. Speed limit laws are bullshit and their selective enforcement is proof of it.
The dangerous drivers are the ones that are impeding the flow (i.e. going well below the speed limit when road/weather conditions don’t necessitate it; cruising in a passing lane, etc) or driving unpredictably/erratically (cutting people off, weaving, etc).
Not necessarily the speeders, though there can certainly be some overlap, particularly in the latter group.
But speeders are the ones that get ticketed over while those asshats just crash into schoolbusses.
I do this and then wonder why the fuck the asshole honking won’t just pass.
I turn it into a game to see how slow I have to go before they leave.
I have come to a full stop before, and they just kept honking. they did drive off once I got out and grabbed a crow bar from the bed of my truck and walked towards them with a smile.
I had no intention of hurting them and it was more for my own protection than anything. They clearly wanted an altercation and fled once they realized how utterly stupid they were being.
some folks just want to feel some kind of power because they feel powerless and they just need a wake-up call.
some folks just want to feel some kind of power because they feel powerless and they just need a wake-up call.
This is, like, the perfect summation of the human condition. Probably an awful lot of it, anyway.
