Like a national tell your coworkers your hourly/salary day.
I’ll let you in on a little secret - it is very common for people to discuss their wages. But doing so can earn you ill will from your employer, and can start workplace drama if someone now feels like they are getting unfairly shafted compared to you when you actually are legitimately doing a better job.
So, people only discuss their wages with - get this - their friends. Yeah, one more reason to not be the asocial, head down, never speaks to anybody guy at work. If you never engage in watercooler talk, or go out to the bar for a couple drinks after work, or never talk to people about your hobbies and interests outside of work, then your coworkers won’t trust you, and therefore won’t tell you sensitive information like their wages.
I think you’d find bigger imbalances from what we think is the norm.
at my last job I found out the guy who was training me was making the same amount even though he had 2 years’ experience. i nagged him about it enough that he actually went to HR and got them to “fix” that “mistake.”
Same thing as if all coworkers shared their genital sizes.
South Park already covered this…
Everyone uses the T.M.I. formula but you tell everyone that anything about 1.5" qualifies as “nice” on the new scale.
Boom, everyone chills the fuck out.
Simpsons did it first
$69.23/hr. Pre-tax.
Damn them if they don’t give you a 46c raise.
damn, nice.
My salary is well-known. It’s an equality thing to fix on a standard rate scheme. The rate is known, the stepping is known, and the steps are known. Anyone can figure it out.
And, if not, it’s in a yearly report that needs to be released and contains all of that. I could find out how much my entire chain of command makes, at a glance, but I don’t care.
Okay; from the daytime job, at least. The side gig is a little variable.
Average pay would rise
I talk very openly about my salary and my coworkers theirs. This is despite this being a bit of a taboo in Germany and a lot of employers putting a “no salary discussion” clause in their contract, but that’s unlawful anyway.
What happened is that I realized that I’m a fucking idiot.
$0 per hour
#GuillotineParty
$39.65 with fringes.
Not enough, but hey, now you know.
In Finland everyone can go to the tax office and see the incomes of everyone (with a ~1.5 years delay, i.e. 2023 is the latest today).
I know what my colleagues and friends make. I think the only thing it would affect is, that if I felt that I was making less than I should, I would start looking for a new job.
if I felt that I was making less than I should, I would start looking for a new job.
And this is why it’s heavily discouraged in businesses. They want to milk people with minimal raises and not pay competitively. This is why it’s good to switch jobs every 2-3 years. You get a nice pay bump especially if you upskill (certs and projects).
This isn’t limited to IT positions. You can get certs in many vendors or program management certs.
I’m making three times what I used to four years ago from upskilling, job hopping and luck.
Nearly every company would have a bunch of pissed off people.
When you’re hiring people year after year, and you have different amounts of money in your pockets to pay them. Wages get weird.
Most companies that I’ve worked with underpay some people and overpay some people because situations arise and they either can or need to do one or the other. When they have to give somebody a big bump to keep them from leaving or higher hands in an emergency You often end up with somebody making a lot more than other people in their same position.
Now a good place would have a strong career matrix and those people that get the bumps in salary would just be getting promotions. It looks a lot worse from the employee standpoints when you give Bob 20,000 more dollars, But when you move Bob up from a level two position to a management role, You can’t really argue as well against that.
People that get paid less will get jealous of the ones getting paid more, and start workplace drama against their fellow proletarians.
Sorry but your daydream of an uprising aint happening, people are quick to blame someone within their reach rather than some faceless corporation.
Local, county, state government employee salaries are public, and they still seems to be running fine for hundreds of years.
Bullshit. This is the propaganda employers use so employees don’t have information to make educated decisions. There are already industries that have payroll information available to all employees, or even fully publicly available.
The simple fact is most people don’t resent each other for being paid less, they resent the employer exploiting them, as they should.
I just wrote my comment on this particular issue. I had a coworker complain that I made more than them and Boss tried to shame me for it.
Weirdly though I became the manager at my next place and had no problem sitting someone down and telling them why they weren’t making as much as their counterparts and when they’d get their scheduled raise and how they could improve and possibly get a bonus raise based purely on merit.
Some people get salty, some people rise to the occasion. The ones that rise to the occasion are dedicated, they’re receptive to constructive criticism and eager to show you they want to improve. It’s just as much a breathe of fresh air for me to see them so happy that they actually got a raise and I wasn’t just blowing smoke up their asses as it was for them to actually get a raise.
After two raises to two different people I had shown my owner that his money was being put to good use because we got long standing, dedicated employees that went above and beyond. He never questioned it again after that when I proposed a raise for a coworker. Good man, and a good team.
Unless…
Unless our brains stop being based on tribal monkey hardware?
Wrong. I posted my entire pay history on my cube wall with yearly gain adjusted for inflation, 19 years worth of data. It was there for at least ten years and i shared the underlying data freely. No one was mad at me, but they were upset at management.
Oh bullshit.
Every industry is different. But in a warehouse that I worked at, people tattletale on each other all the fucking time, if your coworkers see you just glancing at your phone for 2 seconds to see the time, you get instantly reported to the supervisor. Like what the actual fuck.
Maybe your industry is different, in which case, good for you. But you don’t know just how insane people are. And that was a unionized place btw, even the union reps are playing sides and favoring some workers over others. If you got on the union rep’s bad side, they won’t even bother to defend you against the company (like they’ll half-ass any obligations they have).
The proletariat, at least in the US, are not united at all.
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The way to solve this is to pay people fair and equal wages. Union employees all know how much everyone makes (at least my union), and nobody is jealous and starts workplace drama. We might be pissed if someone’s in a higher position than us and therefore getting paid better, but that’s an issue in any workplace.
If someone is getting paid more for the same work (as in, they’re in a higher position so they’re getting paid better), then the employee takes it up with the union who fights on their behalf to improve their salary.
Payment transparency leads to employees having the ability to demand change and argue for themselves.
Unions aren’t a perfect system but there’s a reason they work.
Unions aren’t a perfect system but there’s a reason they work.
I think you misunderstand. Unions aren’t the problem, it’s the spineless useless union reps that don’t adequetly protect the workers. Like he would advocate for those that he’s friends with, but then they have a beef with you for some weird reason and then neglect their duties to help you with stuff. Kinda like politicians in a democracy not representing their constituents. Its not the democracy being a problem, its a people problem.
Tbh, Idk why dipshits get elected as the union rep, but dumb people exist in the electorate, just as with the union members.
(But I don’t work there anymore so that’s out of my hands, their problem to fix)
I got reprimanded by my director with my boss present. I talked to HR which also discouraged me from discussing it. The NLRB person I spoke to when I called basically said that I had a case but good luck filing and winning in court versus a large corporation in the US.
At least my ethics complaint about the director and HR rep both violating federal law and company policy was investigated. No idea what was done with it, but they told me it was investigated.
Same thing as when CEO salaries for publicly traded companies became public 📈
