Either in regards to the current political situation, or for other reasons. What drew you to the idea of living in another country? Do you think whatever benefits it offers are really worth it, or is the grass just greener on the other side of the fence?
I don’t wish to but I’ve thought about it, mainly as an emergency exit in case I get targeted by state violence. But barring that I don’t plan to leave.
Unfortunately, I’m as home grown as they come so I don’t have any other citizenship I would qualify for. And with the level of anti-immigrant sentiment happening in most of the world right now, nowhere seems like a great option. But I’ll do what I have to do if the time comes.
For now, I’d rather keep resisting tyranny here though.
I personally like the culture of my community and am very happy here. If only the thugs would leave us alone things would be great. So having to learn another culture and possibly language to assimilate into doesn’t sound very appealing. I have lived abroad before and it’s harder than I thought it would be.
But I’ll do what I have to do if the time comes.
I may already be too late, depending on how much time it actually takes to secure an opportunity for immigration. e.g. do you even have a passport? Do you belong to one of the groups the government might start targeting? In my mind, it’s clear the trump regime is going to start locking its people in, it’s really common for dictatorships.
As a former undocumented immigrant, you too are thinking inside the box, when the time comes, legally immigrating is the least of your concerns.
Immigration destination countries will generally close their borders long before they’ll start kicking their legal immigrants out en masse.
But what I was actually getting at was that at some point, the USA will probably start making it really difficult to physically leave the country. It’s the difference between going somewhere with some amount of wealth by plane or car and trying to flee on foot over a green border while being hunted by the border police.
I looked into it after the 24 election, Canada and a few European countries. The big impetus was RFK jr talking about how he was going to put the autists in labor camps, because my partner and I both have ASD diagnoses. Also genderfluid but fortunately there’s no paper trail for that. But 1) it’s a lot of work, 2) for better or for worse my skin color protects me from the worst of it and 3) my family is here, my friends are here, my farm animals are here, and I’ll be god-damned if I’m gonna abandon them without a fight. Liberty or death ain’t just a bumper sticker removed.
My fiancée lives in the US, and we’re in the process of getting her a visa to get her the fuck out of that backwards shit hole
It’s not a case of “the grass is greener”, the US is a fucking joke
It’s a cruel country. I’ve never seen a place so full of hatred and fear
Overall that’s totally fair, but to add some nuisance, it very much depends on where in the US you are
I agree, but the states that aren’t complete backwaters are being specifically targeted by Cheeto, and outside the the major centres, even California is full of complete fucking idiots
You can be wealthy, and live in the most progressive part of 'Murica and still be ruined by a bit of bad luck
EU passport seems like a good option.
Trouble is trying to find a job with transferable skills, being willing to pick up all my roots and move, and fitting into a community that speaks a different language, and ‘jealous passport’ countries that ask you to give up your US citizenship when you claim the new one.
Wish it was easier.
I did moved away from the states a long time ago, for reasons other then political fear. I mean I was afraid of what the US was turning in to but not like it is today. Finding a way to immigrate is a lot harder then it looks, but the EU isn’t the only option. The second part is a lot harder then it sound and it some ways easier. Picking up a second language is easier in a country where everyone is already using it. The hardest part is getting most people to stop trying to practice their English on you and to let you practice you new language on them. And the fitting in isn’t that hard if you are honestly excited about it. Don’t grumble because this isn’t the way you’re used to doing it think of it as new chance to be part of the lucky 10,000 almost every day. But picking up your roots is harder then you think everyday I’m haunted by the fact I’ll never see my old friends and my family again except through a tiny screen, never hug them, never cry on their shoulder, hell never even have them understand what my day was like because they don’t understand all the cultural clues I do. I’ve lost frames of reference to my family and it’s not something I really expected or would have been able to understand if did. It’s weird / hard to have cultural gulfs between you and your family not to have a shared pool of reference.
I wish it was easier too, but I’m glad I did it every day.
I’d leave in a heartbeat. I wanted to leave the US well before all this madness. I know Italian pretty well and a little Spanish, so I was considering moving to a country that speaks either. I don’t really have any professional qualifications though, so I kinda worry I’d just be a poor foreigner wherever I went.
Canada. And not the typical “I’m running away to Canada!” that you usually hear, I’ve genuinely wanted to move to Canada since I was in middle school back in the early 2000s. I grew up in the mountains and cold climates are always my favorite so it wouldn’t be a huge change. Canada is such a beautiful country too and I find it more culturally interesting than the US. I’ve always thought of Canada as the responsible and better put together sibling of the two (relatively speaking, of course. We all have our problems)
Unfortunately, I can’t afford to live in the US or Canada right now so I’m kinda shit out of luck. Plus they all, and understandably so, hate Americans. I’m not worried about not being welcome, but more that It’d feel rude to show up after everything that has happened. Like your friend that ran over your dog but still wanted to come over and hang out. Minnesota is like half the price of where I live right now when it comes to housing so I feel like if I moved there I could get the best of both worlds. Who knows, maybe I’ll do that instead.
Tennessee is pretty affordable too and has a lot of country to hike and camp in. It’s red so your health care is almost non existent but the rent is low.
Don’t live outside the cities; Minnesota Nice is just a guise for their thinly-veiled white supremacy (hey family, hope you’re rotting in fear)
I need to learn Spanish or German or both. It’s possible I could get approved as a person of German descent, or I could just flee to Mexico/elsewhere in Latin America but I’d need to speak the language.
The strongest contenders for me would be Ireland or Spain.
My employer does remote work and they have their European HQ in Dublin. That combined with everyone speaking english seems close to ideal in terms of logistics.
As for Spain, they have a special Digital Nomad visa for remote workers, my wife and I took Spanish in high school, and my dad lives in Barcelona after having retired, due to the lower cost of living/healthcare, and also because his sister, my aunt, lives there too.
Moving to another country is a lot of work. Europe is stereotypically seen as having a lot of practical benefits like walkable cities and generally sane culture around stuff like healthcare. America is a big country though and blue states offer a lot of the same benefits.
Back alley abortions common in the EU? Because we’re less than one lifetime from the age of septic pregnancy wards and could easily go back if mifepristone gets banned
Not really to the same levels, and federal fuckery seeps into everything nationwide.
I’ve encouraged others to leave. I’m single and have no plans to ever have children. I don’t have people that depend on me to look out for their best interests.
That means I have the freedom to stay and fight for my country, whatever form that fight takes.
These might help you choose a destination / get another passport: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_citizenship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis
When I was single and without kids I just felt untethered enough to do so.
Nowadays, politically speaking, I have more the Michael Bolton Office Space perspective. They’re the one’s who suck, why should I be the one to leave?
Seen a few YT vids on my feed of Americans going to Albania as a first step recently.
I would but I am 63, retired, and have 4 cats. My pension is tied to the state and my SS is tied to the USA. I am fucking stuck.
You can still collect you pension and SS even if you are abroad! Some places even have ‘retirement visas’. 4 cats is tough for a big move, though, for sure.
It’s at a point where wondering if there’ll be a pension in the future is a valid concern, especially after DOGE.
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There’s a lot of stories about this, here’s one: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgq7wd7xg2o
Huh?
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There are loads of weird plans causing people to panic and leave - e.g. here’s an article about it https://www.axios.com/2025/03/14/trump-migration-britain-canada - but I wanted to note that you do not have to share every thought that crosses into your head. If you aren’t sure, and also don’t believe that what you just said is true, then why bring it up?
The question is rhetorical btw, to prompt you to think rather than needing an answer to be shared with me or anyone in particular.
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It’s a troll account (or mentally ill).
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