sublime text is $99 for life and you don’t even have to pay it and they have zero ai slop :)
That’s not quite true: Yes, your $99 license is a life-time license, but that license only includes 3 years worth of updates. After that you have to pay $80, if you want another 3 years worth of updates. Of course, the alternative is just putting up with the occasional nag, which is why I still haven’t gotten around to renewing my license
Kate is $0 for life and you don’t even have to pay it and they have zero ai slop :)
hmm looking into this; does kate have package repositories? i love sublime because i can essentially keep my config folder in git (with gitignored exclusions obvs) and keep my install in sync between laptop and desktop
emacs is free, in more ways than one
They can pull jetbrains-mono out of my cold dead terminal.
Is it time to go back to the plugin-hell called Eclipse?
Not just no, but hell no.
You can’t imagine how happy am I to have never jumped the wagon. To either VSCode or to anything from JetBrains. Began using eclipse on my uncle’s computer back in ~2010. And just never left.
It followed me through c++, java for uni classes and Python. It followed me when I switched to Linux. I’ll bring it to my grave if it keeps going.
Is it the best? Nope. But it’s fucked up consistently enough for me to get used to it well enough.
To be fair, the community edition IDEs from Jetbrains are open source and any telemetry is optional.
True. But there’s also the fact that eclipse is maintained by the eclipse foundation. a not for profit, I’m not sure how it works for jetbrains’ CE versions. But I assume they’re still handled by jetbrains itself.
shouldn’t matter too much for the open source versions. But there’s my 2¢
Are you for real? I seriously cannot imagine anyone willingly using Eclipse.
Eclipse 15 years ago was OK. Decent Debugger, useful Plugins (like WindowBuilder). It had issues, but instead of focusing on those they over time just kept piling crap on top of it.
Willingly is a strong word. More of a “this shitbox is the only thing I know how to use well”. It’s been my first window into programming. And at the time my uncle used it for work. So he taught me how to get around the mess.
Also I’m quite sure Eclipse played a big role in why I despise Java with every atom of my being.
I’ve tired switching to VSCode. But my peewee brain doesn’t process how to use it. It tries to default to the way I use Eclipse. I’ve started managing to rattle off some programs with micro+clang. That seems to be the easiest way out for me. Considering I don’t program for a living.
I feel like an accountant refusing to let go of it’s MS-DOS based software ffs.
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It is NEVER time to go back to the hell that is Eclipse.
Go to frigging notepad or kedit before Eclipse.
kate is pretty good for the kind of terrible Python code I produce.
That Notepad? The one with Microsoft AI in it?
Honestly? I would suggest using one of the frigging “vibe coder” IDEs over Eclipse at this point.
I would also accept Wordpad.
no, the plus plus
I like the plus plus.
Well if you want a real world comparison:
We migrated a project a few years ago from Eclipse to IntelliJ. Outcome:
- Complains about the IDE dropped from around 10 per day to nearly 0
- Onboarding people now takes 1h instead of a day, because IntelliJ knows how to store configuration in a project
- IntelliJ has a built in updater and nearly everything works after an update
- IDE Fuckups: 1 per week (Eclipse) -> 1 per year (IntelliJ)
- Somehow still happend? Just click “Delete caches and restart” in IntelliJ
- No sources and javadoc for a library available? Eclipse: Have fun reading bytecode; IntelliJ: Yeah I just decompiled it for you within 10s
So yeah I wouldn’t recommend going back into hell. Even VSCode and it’s forks are likely better at this point.
The average coder is not worth learning from. Especially since this is targeting the free users by default who are usually students and amateurs. Quality over quantity, JetBrains.
Fuck sending data to companies. Emacs for the win!
But what about neovim??
Did someone say Oo-mox?
No? Tympanic Tickle?
Emacs for the vim?
I would watch my back if I were you:#
No, the GP is saying emacs has been ported to Windows.
Vim has too.
Doesn’t anyone else use things like OpenSnitch to audit all outgoing connections? I block all phone homes until something breaks, then investigate.
If you are trapped on Windows for some corporate reason, there is SimpleWall.
We’re all friends here, and friends don’t let friends let apps phone home.
Can I subscribe to your newsletter? I want to hear all your other recommendations.
I did not know about this before, bookmarking the OpenSnitch github so I can try it out on my PC later
Can’t, all corporate hardware and their software, too. Not my problem, but also not my intellectual property being stolen to be used in AI, so eh,
NotMyProblemException.Lulu is a good FOSS alternative for Macs. LittleSnitch is good too but proprietary (that’s where OpenSnitch got its name)
Thanks for that suggestion, I had a passing thought a while back I should look into something like this.
Any problems in your experience? I imagine apps will fail if you’re slow to approve the outbound connection and something times out, so I get all of that, looking more for broader issues this might cause? Specifically wondering about the docker containers I run, all the development nonsense.
Both OpenSnitch and SimpleWall block by default. You can also set a timeout so that if you don’t respond in a certain amount of time they automatically create a permanent block rule. You can also check your rules and activity at any point. If a specific application is misbehaving you can always check its rules and change them, or delete them and start over. They’re very efficient, and get less intrusive over time as you respond to prompts and create more rules.
You my friend may just have done a great thing for me
I’m glad this is helping people! Please pass it on.
TIL. Don’t assume people know about this like that, for many we have never even heard of it, but I’ll be using it constantly now
I’m happy I could help!
I feel like lots of people here use Linux, where you don’t need to be constantly vigilant of your applications working against you…
A lot of proprietary tools like VScode and Jetbrains are needed on Linux if you’re a novice or not yet proficient with tools like EMacs/Vi yet. For example I couldn’t get Vscodium to load an extension I needed so I had to use VScode. But tbh I’m just making excuses cuz I don’t know how to set up a good dev environment :-(
Technically it’s even a ToS violation to install extensions from the VS Code marketplace (or whatever it’s called) if you’re using VS Codium. Many are also available somewhere else like the code forge where they’re developed and are under open source or free software licenses, but quite a few important ones are only available through the one distribution channel you’re not allowed to use, and contain proprietary components that can’t be forked to lift this restriction.
Personally, I find Kate is decent enough for most coding tasks. It does not have an open plugin ecosystem, so I guess, maybe it wouldn’t work for you. But aside from plugins, whenever I see people using VS Code/-ium, I wonder why they keep raving about it.
It just looks like a bogstandard editor with LSP support to me. And Microsoft may have gotten that LSP ball rolling, but it’s supported in lots of editors now…
VScode is certainly a heck of a lot easier to get LSPs working than e.g. vim.
If someone made it actually easy to set up neovim with lsp support that works as well as with vscode, there’d be no reason to give Microsoft any attention at all
This was one of my biggest issues, but I did manage to succesfully switch to nvim few months ago, by installing ideavim into Rider, vscode-vim into vscode (so I can’t easily escape it when I get lazy), but most importantly - setting LazyVim as my default editor, which has been a lifesaver.
It has a pretty good LazyExtras interface for easily installing a ton of plugins, almost for every language. You just open the LazyVim menu, select a language you want, and it installs LSPs, debuggers and whatnot you may need for it. It’s probably using the nvim-lspconfig mentioned in other comments, but it has been pretty seamless.
But any other pre-made nvim config will work, this one is just more approachable than someone’s random plugin list.
Is the LSP support a plugin in Neo-/Vim ?
In Kate, you just install the LSP server, which is typically as simple as
apt install marksmanand then Kate will automatically start it when it encounters an appropriate file.Kate also has a Vi Mode, if that’s what you’re looking for. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Where might I find a list of languages/LSPs that Kate supports and will load automatically like that?
Here is the default configuration: https://invent.kde.org/utilities/kate/-/blob/master/addons/lspclient/settings.json
If you do need more LSP servers or a different one for a language, you can specify your own custom configuration in the same format.
The LSP support itself is builtin in Neovim (not in Vim though, AFAIK), but each language server needs to be configured and activated. There is a plugin with all(ish) configurations - https://github.com/neovim/nvim-lspconfig - and activation is done with a
vim.lsp.enable("server-name")command, which you just put in your config and the Neovim will start the LSP when you open a relevant file.Ah, I guess that makes sense. Kate automatically detects available LSP server executables but then prompts you before starting them for the first time, in case you did not install that and it’s malware, or I guess, in case you just placed a script there which happened to be called the same, but would be very bad to run.
Neovim could theoretically do that, too, but then you need a way to block executables, so that it stops prompting you every time, which you’d probably want in a separate config file.
So, it’s definitely a simpler solution and perhaps moreso what one would expect from a TUI editor, for you to just list the ones to run in the config file.
Anyone new to these tools will be horrified at how aggressively Windows tries to violate your privacy with unnecessary data collection, phone-homes, remote calls, etc.
Linux is galaxies better in that regard. I still don’t want anything making any connections without my explicit knowledge and consent though, and there are lots of packages and applications that try to unnecessarily exfiltrate data without asking. If you aren’t using an active firewall, you are leaking.
I second OpenSnitch. It’s the most annoying program i run, but the control it gives you over your outbound connections is so worth it from a security and privacy standpoint.
Once you start and run this you get to truly see how many different URLs are loaded when visiting just one website
This is cool, thanks.
Does running pi hole make this redundant, or are they solving different problems?
They still work together. Pi-hole is an excellent second line of defense, but an active firewall tells you about what is trying to make connections and asks for your consent. Block lists are great, but they aren’t impenetrable. If you want to know exactly what your device and software are doing, you should also be using an active firewall.
The last time I got a virus on Windows I was only made aware because the built-in firewall warned me a Powershell script was trying to phone home.
Since then I run SimpleWall and I highly recommend everyone else do the same. It’s annoying at the beginning but annoyance turns into peace of mind when you know nothing, not even built-in Windows processes can phone home without you knowing.TIL.
Is this redundant with DNSBL?
Not necessarily. These active firewall tools are much more thorough. They tell you any time an application or service is trying to make a connection to anywhere. Block lists are helpful, but still have gaps. These let *nothing *through unless you explicitly allow it, and ask you clearly and immediately when something that doesn’t already have a rule tries.
OOTL here. What did they do? Can’t find anything obvious on their News or Releases tabs.
if you pay you can opt-in to share your code
if you use free version you can opt-in to share your code.
if you are entitled to using a paid version for free (e. g. students, educators) you can opt-out of sharing your code.
EDIT: I was wrong, you CAN out out in the last case, which makes the meme even more stupid
Basically guaranteeing themselves the worst code source.
Unless their goal is to catch common mistakes to improve their code analysis and quick fixes, in which case this plan is secretly brilliant.
From the other comments, it sounds like it’s opt-out for the free tier.
well, I recommend checking sources before jumping to conclusions.
https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2025/09/30/detailed-data-sharing-for-better-ai/
I didn’t jump to any conclusions. It was abundantly clear that what I was writing was hearsay based on secondhand information.
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Tbf they will just take from people who opted out regardless no? It’s not new for companies to do that.
You generalize too much. If you think Jetbrains are likely to take peoples code even though they opted out you should substantiate that.
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if you are entitled to using a paid version for free (e. g. students, educators) you cannot opt-out of sharing your code.
That is incorrect. According to the page you linked elsewhere:
For individuals on non-commercial licenses: Data sharing is enabled by default, but you can turn it off anytime in the settings.
(Emphasis mine)
And for all other cases it’s opt-in. No idea how you got from that that you cannot opt-out. It literally says the opposite.
thank you, I will correct all my comments regarding this
I might be mistaken, but I think that if you use the free version, it’s also opt out, because IIRC it’s also an individual non-commerecial licence.
For individuals on non-commercial licenses: Data sharing is enabled by default, but you can turn it off anytime in the settings.
At least on the prouct page, the free tier is literaly called “Rider Non-commercial”, under Individuals tab.
there is a difference between non-commercial (students using pycharm ultimate for free) and free (professionals using community edition)
JB is cooked
Yeah… I slowly stopped using it and am just using vim, and getting docs from sources.
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You can set up your LSP to work with nvim to get docs that way.
And with actual Vim.
But also with butterflies?
I use Acme.
I think I’d be liable if my code made it through to a LLM
The thought of that is so funny. Not the company that stole the code gets held accountable, but instead the poor schmuck they stole it from to make their AI. Actually this would not even surprise me all that much.
This is what finally pushed me to move all coding I can away from Jetbrains products. I wanted to to that for a while, because I didn’t want to depend on a closed system and wait until it enshitified. Now it happened. Sad to see, but it was inevitable.
I liked PyCharm, but its time to refresh my friendship with VIM.
That’s exactly what I did, switching from Rider. LazyVim helped with getting a usable setup (especially LSPs are pain to setup without it), https://www.vim-hero.com/ taught me the absolute basics of navigation, and then I simply installed IdeaVIM into Rider to force myself to use it, and switched my default editor to LazyVim.
It has already been a few months, and I’m pretty used to it. I still fumble here and there, I still have to stop and think then doing more involved operations, but for the basic editing I wouldn’t go back.
The most important observation I have is that it does not make me more efficient at editting text, the fumbles and mistakes usually offset any gains I have from the many navigation/jump/repeat keys, and reaching for the mouse would be quicker, but -
It’s super fun. Learning new motions is satisfying, you can see progress, and by slowly adding a new motion, then trying to get it to your muscle memory is simply fun. And there’s always something to learn, a new motion to add or make more efficient. It’s basically gamified text editting, and if you like mastering things in the muscle memory sense, it’s awesome. I’d absolutely recommend everyone to make the switch, but not for “being a faster/more efficent at text editting” reason, because if you want that, learning every single IDE keybind will make you faster faster.
Also, it’s surprisingly comfortable not having to reach for a mouse. It has only been a few months, and I’m getting slightly annoyed whenever a program doesn’t have a hotkey for proper navigation and I have to touch my mouse, hah.
Thank you for sharing the experience, it encouraged me even more to VIM when I’ll have to work in Python.
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Try zed with vim mode.
Neovim + tmux
It’s a non-mutual friendship, though.
i use vim and git push to my gitea instance. jetbrain can go fuark themselves.
What about Forgejo? It is a hard fork made by the Codeberg developers.
Emacs for the homies
AI scraping public code tempts me to dump all my projects into github to poison the training data
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Incredible video, i should look at more they have done
It’s love to see what it does with a several thousand line function from my production code.
It will refactor it into 5 lines. No need to reimplement the os for scratch to list the files in the current dir
Several jobs ago we had a SQL stored procedure that took 72 hours to run. Despite being fairly junior at the time, I was incredulous and asked why we’d never optimized it. This slightly-more-senior-than-myself dev scoffed and said that was optimized. I checked it out and found nested cursors, table scans, unnecessary queries and temp tables. I gave up about halfway through and instead printed it out: 13 pages. I stapled it and hung it in my cube as a testament to insanity. I still have that printout.
I should scan it and upload it to poison the well too.
this made me laugh way too much
So my projects can be useful too
