You unconditionally support a genocide for just two years and suddenly you’re a “war criminal.” So much for the tolerant left.
Just two years? How long has she been in politics? It’s much longer than that.
How much power do you think VPOTUS has over Israeli policy?
She had complete control over her own campaign platform, where she chose to be in lockstep with Biden.
This. It’s up to the politician to build a platform that gets as many votes as possible. The DNC and Harris choose to ignore their base, shout down the Muslim vote, and took more money from special interests groups than Republicans.
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I wouldn’t say that, she was beholden to the party donors that would have stopped sending money to all of the corporate Dems if she had a different stance. Biden also wasn’t going to let her distance herself on any of his stances. It was a lose-lose situation from a messaging perspective.
The more ethical choice would have been to have stop taking the big donor money and to have distanced herself from Biden’s stance, but likely still would have lost by doing that given she was trying to win over the average swing state voter.
Personally, I think looking forward, that the corporate Dems that are taking money from pro-Israel PACs should be told they can either keeping taking those donations and be primaried, or they can stop and they will have the support of the voters. Ideally we want progressives but convincing the the corporate Dems to not put money first does matter.
Enough that AIPAC gave her over 9 million dollars so far lol
That doesn’t suggest she has power.
I don’t have power. Where’s my AIPAC check?
Lol goddamn you’re dumb, AIPAC isn’t a charity
Enough to have a backbone? To stand on morality? No one made her back genicide. Like the fuck we talking about?
Nothing you said answers the question. What specific actions do you think Harris can take as VP to stop what POTUS is intending to do?
It doesn’t matter. Even more so the less power she had to change the situation. All she had to do while vp was say was I don’t support, agreed with, nor play a part in the genicide happening in Palestine. She could have said during the campaign that she would stop all weapons going to Isreal and that she’d hand over anyone that helped kill innocent people. She has nothing to lose. Her silence proved she wasn’t ready to be president. If she can’t stand up to special interest groups with no real skin in the game, do you think she’ll magically gain morality once in power? And additionally, what a dumb political move that is ultimately! Not a single vote was gained by backing Isreal, because Republicans were going to back them anyways. Pro genicide people aren’t going to vote Democrat, full stop. She was more afraid of losing money rather than the election.
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Right in the middle
OK, so you live here. Do you need me to provide evidence for the widespread support for Israel among the voting population?
Shaken? that nasty ghoul has no feelings
She is absolutely right wing, but I don’t think she has ever had enough authority to be a war criminal.
It’s crazy to think this all could have been avoided if Biden just kept his word and let us have an actual primary where Kamala predicably would have lost early on.
Instead we got a half assed bait and switch for the worst polling candidate possible. I swear she was picked because she was the cheapest corpo money could buy.
The DNC needs to be dissolved because they keep picking loser corporate stooges that nobody likes in the belief that they can just AstroTurf and gaslight their way to popularity.
Would love to kick the DNC to the curb but at the beginning of this year everyone top to bottom was replaced. It is malleable and we need to change it to finally be progressive and actual leftist party for the people.
And she still probably have won if she’d stuck with the campaign she was running at the start, rather than ditching it to pivot right
What, Liz Cheney wasn’t good enough for you?? 🙃 Seriously, that’s when i knew we were sunk. What a fucking disaster
She also got the Clintons to campaign for her; HRC went down to Florida and Bill went to Michigan, where he defended Israel to Muslim and Arab-American voters that Harris was ostensibly trying to win over.
lol
She was the cheapest option. Literally look at the other person talking about how they were the only candidate that could use Bidens money so as to immediately have the millions already invested by big pockets and a candidate they could know they could pay for.
She outraised trump and still lost. We didn’t have a primary because the party didn’t want someone who might not support genocide.
Everyone seems to conveniently forget the fact that the only one that was legally entitled to any of the money raised for Biden’s campaign, over like 3 years of fundraising, was Kamala because she was on the ticket.
Restarting the fundraising process from scratch, after even just a 14-21 day primary process that would somehow also be built out of nowhere, would have meant whoever secured any nomination would have easily been outspent by a mile. They would have had no funds to even campaign on. It probably would have locked all the money that was already donated up too, considering that it would take quite some time to refund all of that money; figure out who was owed what exactly based on what hadnt been spent yet, etc…
Like what the fuck else did anyone expect to reasonably happen? It was stupid for Biden to ever say they could even have had a primary. The real promise he should have stuck to was when he claimed he would only be a one term president years beforehand
I don’t really recall all the rules, but you’re right that she was the only one entitled to it legally. However, I’m pretty sure other pacs can run ads for other candidates. For example, you’ll sometimes see democrat or republican ads for spoiler candidates. There’s surely still a way it could be used to benefit whoever the democratic candidate was. IANAL though.
Lol, so that is how we decide presidential nominees now? Who has the money backing…
Agree - but bad take
Hasn’t that always been the case?
If Biden died rather than step aside who would have been the candidate? It would be Harris as that is who was selected by the states that ran democratic primaries at that point.
Harris is deeply unpopular with anyone who isn’t a rabid neolib and was solely picked by the neolib establishment (read fucking dinosaurs addicted insider trading) for her willingness to be a corporate stooge.
If she was half as wonderful as the online astroturfing suggested she wouldn’t have had an abysmal turnout and wouldn’t have lost the election along with every primary along the way.
I knew she was cooked the moment she announced her VP and he got 1,000x the enthusiasm and coverage that she did.
We needed an actual democratic socialist to excite people, not another fucking Israeli funded Republican-lite campaigning on a desperate gamble to gaslight people into thinking she isn’t just another dogshit neolib.
None of this answered the question I asked though.
Are you educated in the American political system at all? Im asking this because I don’t know you and a lot of the “they never held a primary” folks are actually not well educated on elections and how they work.
Your question isn’t relevant to what actually happened because it’s an entirely different hypothetical situation.
No, it’s directly relevant as it is the next closest situation as to what happened. Biden stepped down because ge could not fulfill the role due to his health.
It’s literally not. That’s not what happened and has nothing to do with me talking about how Biden should have let a primary happen. You just brought this up as if it was relevant when it’s really not
Biden stepped aside due to health concerns after a disastrous debate. These concerns have since been justified as Biden has cancer.
There was a primary and Biden/Harris won it. They ran unopposed for most of it.
She would have lost, even by the DNC’s own crappy poll metrics which showed several candidates that were much more popular, like Newsom who could have easily fulfilled his role as a shill and a well received candidate instead of just an obvious shill.
DNC running around with “too late for a primary” and “can’t adjust voter law” is moot when you consider that almost all of them have a catch all cause for holding primary elections in circumstance, and the fact that they aren’t even tied to the Federal election or even State control if the DNC wishes.
That all being said, Harris would have been the de facto candidate as the incumbent if Biden died, but if the DNC wanted to, they could easily chose not to run her as the candidate and hold a primary.
Her potential loss might be the case but there is a good reason for why they did not hold a primary after already running one. There’s no legal reason I am aware of that invalidates the races already ran.
She was fairly qualified given that she was VP.
I feel that Harris was more left leaning than most people say, but she was playing the election too safe by not trying to promise a stronger platform. She was hedging her bets and was preparing to not have a supermajority in the Senate. In doing so though, her messaging was underwhelming.
If she overpromised and won, then she would have looked exactly the same as Biden. Where nothing meaningful could get passed federally due to being short on votes.
If she underpromised and somehow won big, then the Democrats would have looked great going into 2026 and 2028.
Instead, she underpromised and underperformed, the House, Senate, and White House were lost as a result.
I agree that sticking with a message people can believe in does matter, and it’s why Bernie Sanders is having success even in rural West Virginia in the current year. The progressive platform is popular when people hear about it, so we need an elected leader that believes in the progressive message they are selling.
Kamala had to be carried as VP, she had absolutely no business being the nomination.
Shit, the only reason she was made VP was because of the identity politics of having yet another ancient white guy in office.
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Although she definitely more left leaning than Biden.
She ran to biden’s right. biden never promised to put a republican on his cabinet. He never campaigned with cheneys.
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Where exactly is she shaken?
I only see her standing up for a splitsecond and then a smirk at the end.
The VP has basically no power other than try to persuade the POTUS behind the scenes, which from what I’ve read, she did to some degree, but to no effect.
Where she blew it was when she said she wouldn’t do anything different than Biden. That was the end for her campaign. (regardless of whether anyone thinks it should have been that way or not, IMO that was the death blow)
The VP has basically no power other than try to persuade the POTUS behind the scenes, which from what I’ve read, she did to some degree, but to no effect.
The POTUS didn’t dictate her positions during the campaign. Stop making excuses just because she supported genocide for you.
That and saying we will have the most lethal military. Plus we want trump and gops immigration policies
Where she blew it was when she said she wouldn’t do anything different than Biden. That was the end for her campaign.
iirc her campaign said “the Biden people” demanded she say that.
She wasn’t required to listen to the biden people. The biden people hid his mental decline until it was too late. Their political instincts are runny dogshit just like their entire wing of the party.
So either she should have not made that promise or she should have broken it. Easy enough. It’s not like she didn’t know what was on the line.
I think that’s a hindsight sort of thing. Of course she should have. But we all know the answer.
Then it wasn’t her campaign.
That was “the Biden people”’s point, yeah.
She presided over the US senate and cannot be dismissed by the president, how did she have “basically no power”???
Agreed…Also, if she had no power and is not responsible for anything Bidens government did, how is she at all capable of doing the job of the president? her qualifications were that she was a fly on the wall and observed others, but didnt participate in any meaningful way, huh. She simultaneously blameless and had no power, but also the most experienced, most qualified to do the job and the only one the DNC could possibly put up against trump. What a fuckin joke of a party.
💯 so sick of hearing about small beans uwu bomber harris
she’s just a girl 💅
It’s the same for every VP, not just her. POTUS makes the final decision. VP can’t override it.
Smallbean VP. Second-in-Command of the US.
Obviously, as I said, I’m talking about power to decide policy. The VP (as it has been for all of them, not just her) can advise, try to persuade, but it’s the POTUS who makes the final decisions.
The VP can’t override the POTUS on anything. That’s just a fact.
There are lots of replies conflating that fact with the positions she took during her campaign. She was obviously totally responsible for positions she took in the campaign. I’m not sure Trump wouldn’t have still won no matter what positions she took, but we’ll never know. Point is, she took the positions she did, and she lost.
Yeah, she was going to become a war criminal, but the voters let her down.
Good for that protestor. Look at that dumb smug bribe-taking loser smiling on stage. What a waste.
I hope the cultists won’t come here defending her
Nope. Just the cultists supporting republiQans.
Dems are cultists, republicans are too.
Your hopes were in vain. The pro-genocide brigade is here.
They was already there since 48
Too late
“Kamala Harris doesn’t behave in a ladylike way and that’s naughty of her”
i mean you lay down with dick cheney you get up with war crimes knowwhatimean?
Apparently is so funny for Kamala that Hind Rajab was shot
First off, I want to be clear that I’m not making excuses for Kamala. This is more of a tangent, but people should know that even though it seems weird, smiling is a natural stress response for some folks.
The instance that is seared into my memory is when I got the phone call that there was an earthquake in the country where my sibling was staying and we hadn’t yet heard from her (she ended up being ok). No matter how tried to fight it, my face couldn’t help but twist into a grin. It kinda fucked me up. Like: “What is my body trying to tell me?” “Do I subconsciously want them to die?” It was only years later that I found out that this is normal. Looking back, I think it especially sucks for kids who can’t help it, can’t explain it, and get the “Do you think this is funny!” treatment.
Anyway, if you find yourself or someone else in a similar situation, please don’t judge too harshly.
I dothat, so I hear you. But her grin seems pretty relaxed, if not smug
Anyway, if you find yourself or someone else in a similar situation, please don’t judge too harshly.
She supports genocide. She gets no benefit of the doubt. She was smiling because she was trying to contain laughter.
Not what suppressed laughter looks like. At best it’s relief, of an opposing person being taken away.
No benefit of the doubt for the genocidal.
No, this is definitely the smile of i do not take you seriously. Kamala is paid by aipac and promised to continue giving billions to maintain settler colonialism
All her jobs required stress management you can’t convince me that she is stressed for a random perdon screaming at her. This is definitely not similar to someone panicing because of an earthquake
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Why are you deflecting we are talking about Harris here. If she can’t handle people she shouldn’t do public event.
You just an Harris worshiper
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Good.
These are the people that helped the GOP and the billionaire class get Trump elected
The one on the stage? Yep.
Now, now. It’s not like she campaigned with Liz Cheney… lol.
Fuckin failed state corporate dictatorship.
The traitors protesting
Hating genocide is treason to genocide supporters like you.
Too bad you’ll get your way and the ceasefire won’t last.
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Shitlibs be like:
People who hate genocide try to minimize it.
These protestors and people like yourself helped Trump get elected and maximized the genocide while also supporting fascism.
People who hate genocide do not supoort anybody who support genocide supporters like Harris, Biden and Trump
As a result of that logic, Trump was elected, genocide was maximized, fascism took over and the US government moved further right.
At least you didn’t have to vote against genocide. Can you imagine voting against the only thing you live for?
No, idiot. Harris lost because she was bad on everything especially economy. Only 2% of the people had foreign affairs as their top issue which is split between people who care about Ukraine/Russia the most and people who cared about Palestine/Israel and from the very small subset who cared about Palestine/Israel we don’t know how much cared because they support Palestine more or Israel more
Trump is the president now so why is it hard for Harris to admit her support for Israel and complicity in the genocide and apologies. She don’t even care about people now she just want to sell a book. She doesn’t seem to realize that if she don’t join the fight with the people who elected her and are protesting Trump could be one of the first victim of a potential dictatorship by Trump or one of his successor
And Putin and Xi.
We don’t sell weapons to Putin or Xi.
Sure, i didn’t mention them because i was talking in context of Israel genocide
These protestors and people like yourself helped Trump get elected
By saying that the genocide you love more than anything is bad. You lost because the shitty candidate you worship supported the only thing you will ever love: murdering Palestinian children.
Progressives empowered Trump and as a result they amplified the genocide , supported a fascist takeover and ratcheted the US government further right.
More Palestinian children have suffered and many more will continue to suffer because of your decision.
Progressives empowered Trump and as a result they amplified the genocide
Keep spamming your big lie.
More Palestinian children have suffered and many more will continue to suffer because of your decision.
Even fewer would have suffered if your garbage pro-genocide party had followed the law. But you hate the law when it means fewer dead Palestinians.
To say “we have trump because of you”… trump is trying to create an apocalypse on earth and kamala is the villain.
What’s your issue? Nothing about the statement is inaccurate. Though it is missing a lot of context, such as it was Clinton who ordered the pied piper strategy to elevate Trump to the nomination, so she shares a lot of the blame.
I don’t think we’re going to get someone to the left of Kamala for the next few presidents. All the protest voters helped our country choose hard mode, and a lot of them are trying to rationalize it in any way that doesn’t make them feel like they played a part in such a close election.
We have Trump because more people voted for Trump, and lots of people didn’t vote at all. You could blame Biden or Kamala, sure, but the entire political party could also be blamed, along with the establishment itself. Was Kamala the best candidate to run? Probably not. Biden decided to try for another term, though, and we ended up where we are.
When you can choose between the lesser of 2 evils, or not choose at all: be aware of what “not choosing” will actually do.
I don’t think we’re going to get someone to the left of Kamala for the next few presidents.
Then you’re not going to win any elections for the next few presidents
“I’m so left win that I’ll rather have trump than someone left of him”
Never change ml.
What they said is 99% republican cannot win against 100% republican because Republican policy is extremely unpopular with anyone who might vote democrat, therefore if they keep running moderates, they will continue to lose.
Idk how you got that shit, but if you need help comprehending anything else, just ask instead of whatever lead you to believe they support trump.
You’d rather have trump than someone to the left of you.
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“I support the extermination of all Arabs; the only thing I care about is shedding the blood of foreign infants and there is nothing I wouldn’t do to support the victory of the white race”
Never change .world
Incoherent
No, it’s perfectly coherent, you’re just still so angry about me calling your actually incoherent post incoherent that you’re now stalking me around.
Your comment is exactly why Hillary and Harris lost. Even now, you can’t see that the compromise candidate will eventually fail, and continue to fail, because their values don’t match the voters.
And hey, if you had written this comment before 2016, or even before 2024, we could understand your instinct. You might not have realized how the Dems’ shift to the right would undercut the entire party. But now you should be able to figure it out. Take Harris’s policies, for example. Which ones were going to benefit the average American? She was weak on Israel, her border strategy was xenophobic (and therefore racist), her home owner tax credit would not have lowered housing or rent prices for the vast majority of Americans… In other words, even if she got everything she wanted, would it have made our lives better? I just don’t see it, and neither did hundreds of millions of Americans.
All it would take to be left of Harris is opposing genocide and unlawful deportations.
The problem is that you Blue MAGAs support fascism, too, but you believe yourselves better than the Red MAGAs because you like fascists with a commitment to decorum. And you project that onto the rest of us, so you think our rejection of these Democrats is simply a rejection of decorum. Just like the Red MAGAs, you cannot even conceive of any “good American” rejecting your party’s fascism. And probably, just like them, you don’t actually pay attention to the policies you’re really supporting. You just treat it like team sports.
by “protest voters” you mean the ones that voted Kamala specifically to protest Trump?
We should never stop holding leaders responsible for their actions.
