Also, is self empathy even a thing? Is self empathy distinct from self pity?

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    Lots of folks replying don’t seem believe in self empathy.

    That makes me sad.

    Self empathy is the foundation of empathy toward others.

    The golden rule - treat others as I want to be treated - only really became effective, for my friends, after I learned to treat myself well.

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      The golden rule does not work. What if I like to be treated like shit? What if I like physical abuse because it gets me off? Does that mean I should treat others this way?

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        The golden rule does not work. What if I like to be treated like shit?

        Agreed. But it is a good default place to we start.

        The real skill is empathy - to understand how the other person wants to be treated.

        My empathy for others became much more effective after I started practicing empathy for myself.

        It was a bit eye opening, to me, to realize how much impact a practice of self-empathy made in my relationships.

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        Well said. Particularly

        out of a distaste for a harsh and cruel world

        I want to respond (with agreement) to:

        treat others as you want to be treated,"

        • is, indeed silly. It’s meant as an overly simple default to grow from.

        Treat others as they ask to be treated is much better.

        But I do believe that both benefit from an intentional practice of self-empathy.

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      It’s the reverse; I have to constantly remind myself to treat me like I treat others. I despise myself and have great empathy for others, self empathy might be the foundation of empathy towards others for you, but that’s certainly not universal

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        I have to constantly remind myself to treat me like I treat others.

        I do, as well.

        I treat others. I despise myself and have great empathy for others

        I said that to myself before, as well.

        But I discovered my empathy for others became surprisingly more effective after I started an intentional practice of self-empathy.

        but that’s certainly not universal

        Certainly. This is what worked for me, and my relationships.