The computer can’t be held accountable, but the programmer and operator can.
I could go on a whole thing about mission rules and command decisions here, but I’m sick of typing for the day.
So when is Musk getting held accountable for making a literal US funded Nazi waifu bot
When the humans win the class war against the lizards.
Lol what? I’m so out of the loop
Again, weapons without human in the loop needs to be against the Geneva convention, yesterday. Or articles of war , something. This is a tractable problem, that needs attention, now, It will not end well and can actually be (mostly, by honorable armies) fixed.
Geneva convention can only be applied on the nations who are coincidentally, not going around breaking them willy-nilly.
Isn’t that exactly why they do use them for management decisions?
Yup!
“I’m sorry but your contact is terminated because our management software designated your position as redundant and unnecessary. It wasn’t our decision to let you go, but it was our decision to begin using that software and it was our decision to program it to try to fire as many employees as possible, but it’s not our decision and therefore we can’t be held responsible. Goodbye.”
The same argument for cartels. “We didn’t all increase our prices to the exact same amount, we just paid a consulting company to tell us which price we should use. Of course our competitors used the exact same company, but that’s just a coincidence”.
You are essentially saying
“Management is essential, replace the common work force with AI”Well…If I get fired, I will hold you accountable!
your logic is flawed.
employees can be held accountable for their actions.
I hope you are in a job that an LLM can’t do.
Why me??
I was saying what the post was telling me.
Sorry, typo. That was supposed to be “aren’t” I didn’t mean to wish obsolescence on you. Ed. No, I just phrased it confusing
But a computer works for “free” so “not being held accountable” is even better!!
Midrange might, but mainframe users pay ongoing amounts to IBM for however much compute they use for the life of the machine
“No networked computers!” Colonial fleet high command standing orders
Cylons hate this little trick.
One of many reasons why I love BSG. As a retro-computing enthusiast, the idea that antique systems are naturally impervious to conventional digital attacks, just felt so validating.
Sure, our navigation system is based on a Commodore-64, but good luck getting it to divulge mission-critical information over bluetooth. Or any information for that matter.
Let’s be honest though, most managers, maybe ~60% could be replaced by AI. If you want evidence, think of anyone who goes to meetings, and those who go to meetings all day element 90% of meetings, at minimal. Those jobs shouldn’t exist. They are what people like Bezos/Musk believe should not exist.
Now, how does one get from being nothing, and never being in meetings to being someone making money… You can’t, unless you know someone. AI is an “American Dream” killer
Well that’s the exact reason these people are so horny for AI.
There are studies showing that LLM AI is competitive against human C suite managers. When issues like AI hallucinations are brought up, it turns out that human C suite managers also make shit up all the time.
One interesting thing they found was that AI doesn’t do as well if there is a shock to the economic system like Covid.
A computer can 100% be held accountable. Someone made the decision to put a computer in charge. That person is 100% responsible.
Unless that person leaves and the system they implemented remains
Someone should take responsibility. If they don’t want to be responsible, they should not take the job.
That’s how it should be, not how it is
Keep going up and up the chain of command. There is no situation where no one us responsible.
the VP accepted the risk
Ok, and you fired him, and the replacement… did they accept all the risk too?
If they accepted the job, absolutely yes. ignorantia juris non excusat.
Well, yes, except not for executives because they’re special. And they have golden parachutes.
But wow if I was to take over some of the VP roles I’ve seen with the risk they accept, there would be years of work just patching shit.
No, they absolutely are accountable - theoretically, owners (capitalist mostly) made sure of that, they (SB) hold CEO by their private parts very firmly & they could do a lot to them & even even directly to their personal wealth (in most countries that’s the standard agreement that can be enforced via courts if need be).
But shareholders do what’s best for them & their pov.
So if someone embezzled & they don’t see a clear way to get the money back even paying half a golden parachute can make sense to them (they don’t get extra work, the matter is closed immediately, and CEOs don’t really get paid that much in the context of company/shareholders profits … it’s a different world where CEOs are mere workers and actual workers are factory equipment).So, CEO are accountable, they just don’t often get held accountable bcs it’s never to, for, or by the public (and pubic values, common morals, etc).
That’s true, and but the part
they just don’t often get held accountable bcs it’s never to, for, or by the public (and pubic values, common morals, etc).
Is the “special” part of it. If they were held accountable by their peers, their peers might also be held accountable. Class solidarity in action.
CEOs get held accountable by the SB, the whole point of having a MB is to let them deal with the pleb (“peers”). Shareholders are not the peers of CEOs, it’s a master & dog situation.
Thou shall not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.
That’s alright, so far they haven’t even come close
Try to stop me.
I can only assume the very next slide said, “But having a computer make battlefield targeting decisions is A-OK!” /s
It’s just a little war crimes, it’s ok it’s ok.
I asked computer if I should read the article, it said no. Am I in an abusive relationship?
That is ridiculous, clearly. I’ll use mainstream search engine, tailor made to my needs, to make sure it cannot happen
Executives today:
This means if we put AI somewhere in our decision making, we can no longer be held accountable.
As a US citizen, this logic need to be applied to corperations. The C_Os make all the decisions for the company, the Campany should not be held as responsible for the shitty actions of its Board. The Board should be held accountable for the companies actions be required to served by all the C_Os. I say served, I mean fines and prison time ,in all cases, as a fine is paid personally by the person and time is served aslo bu the person.
I know fine are just a temporary for “legal fo .a price” fine should be paid to hut them so Retirement accounts are taken, future earning are taken, income from salary+bonus at time of infraction are taken, and close loops of off shore accounts
Agreed except you better not touch my extremely meager retirement account for some shit the CEO did. I will go full uno bomber.
Thats where the legislation can put the lawyer talk in to address it is the personal accounts of the C_Os
This is sad, not humorous
Managers aren’t being held accountable for their management decisions either.
“Oh, I sacked our entire workforce and sold all the company assets, so the figures will look amazing this month.”
<one month later>
“Oh, the figures are down this month, a golden handshake!? Thank you very much.”
It depends, though.
There are cases where parts of a struggling company is worth less than the sum of its parts. At that point, the fiscally prudent option is to sell it off, either in one piece or multiple pieces. There are plenty of cases in American corporate history where the best option is to cut losses and leave a market.
That being said, I’m surprised that private equity is still allowed to be a thing given the massive disparity shown in how a lot of financial disparity in how a lot of private equity companies run their companies against their fiduciary responsibilities to their companies’ stockholders and bondholders.
Most industries management fails upward. Definitely true in Pharma.
There are CEOs with a 20 year string of development failures, but they bring “vast experience”.
