Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.
There’s way too many, like myself, who can’t even afford to take a week off of work much less however long it would take to revolt.
And we’d be going up against a military that just waltzed into another country which has a functional and organized military and expect to succeed against them grassroots?
I don’t think anything will happen before a state or group of states splinters off with their national guard as support.
We’re definitely not laughing. Well, not the ones against him - which does seem to be the majority, at least when you’re here.
And you think action will be easier if you wait longer? You are wrong, things are only going to get more difficult.
Facism is a cancer. You cant ignore it or reason with it, or hope it goes away. The only option is to take the terrible medicine and fight, now.
Well, yeah. It will be perhaps not easier if you wait for a mass of discontent or an inciting incident, but it will be winnable. You can’t fight alone. Yes, it’s going to be a fight and a challenge, but we have to convince the masses that the status quo is not normal any more, and convince the notoriously easy going and anti violent crowd to understand that violence is necessary. If you fight too early, you’ll get all the centrists against you as well - and we can’t have a two front fight.
Groups of like minded individuals are already beginning to form. Those will naturally coalesce when the time is right.
What immediate, terrible medicine do you propose? I’m legitimately interested.
Thats the thing, I dont know what the medicine should be.
I feel like we are waiting either for an incident like you suggest, or a leader who is able to rally the un-interested, un-motivated, and burned out masses. The left does not have their super star yet.
Yeah, I agree. The left’s leadership is really just “less right”, but equally owned by corporations. That’s not gonna do anything for us.
Some cancers are terminal/inoperable…
Thats true, but i dint think thats the case here. Regimes can always be changed. Sure it might take a couple decades, but even rome eventually fell.
This is really it in a nutshell.
I’m honestly not sure what to say to the Europeans and other non-Americans posting a lot on Lemmy lately, who seem to think all Americans - even those who have opposed every Trump action and have despised Trump since the 90s - are individually to blame for Donald Trump.
I’m like: Imagine everyone around you decided you were going to be married to an abusive spouse. You never agreed, yet sure enough, one day you woke up legally married to, and having to live in the same house with, a delusional, malignant narcissist abuser. No divorce possible, consent was never required after all. And if you tried to ask for help, your neighbors - who want you to know they absolutely hate abusers! - would spit at you and say, “Take care of your own problem!”
Ok, thanks, appreciate it.
You know its even worse than that - fascist or fascist adjacent parties are leading in polls in the UK, France, and Germany simultaneously. Canada and Australia only avoided electing mini trumps as a response to trump. And that’s only speaking of the larger countries. When I hear someone on here go off about how the “world” has always known the US is just bad I’m amazed. Can you not see what is happening in your own countries? International capital is making its move, and something is happening across the democratic world.
Cribbing this from some tumblr i saw: “My wish for 2026 is that Europeans will be as critical and vigilant about authoritarianism and racism in their own country as they are about them in the U.S. and that Americans will be as critical and vigilant about authoritarianism and racism in the U.S. as Europeans are.”
Does the story of the burning bed carry any weight?
It’s just one more slap across the face, one more forced sex in the middle of the night and being choked as the fat fuck does what he wants and then the little Mrs. is gonna snap.
Here you go: https://youtu.be/vvaquOcNEKI
That’s what we expect you to do.
Yes this, it’s real and important.
Fantasy: The People will revolt due to the already terrible conditions worsening before that
More realistic hopium: We’ll remove Republican control from the house before then
Reality:
The People will revolt due to the already terrible conditions worsening before that
what people? the meek in the usa who have not even manage a protest onea weekday too afraid of losing their job at Walmart?
We’ll remove Republican control from the house before then
If that happens Trump will just launch a coup, so it just reduces to fantasy and reality.
What is it that humans need? Hollyhops? Hoplites? Idk.
Honestly, still not a bad outcome. If it’s happening either way it might as well be sooner and not on his terms. If he launches a coup then no one can pretend to be blind anymore.
Nah, people will say he was justified in it and it was the best way to get “woke liberals” out of government or whatever
Some. I doubt most will.
Probably not a full-blown coup. He had lots of chances to do that already if his ducks were in a row, including 2020. But, US presidents have so much power there’s quite a range of lesser options one could employ to shut down democracy.
There are many who actually believe the midterms will solve this.
LOL
yes, we already know there are idiots everywhere… I mean, thse are the same idiots that couldn’t be bothered voting last time
I wish the midterms were overwith so people could stop hoping for that. But then it might be too late to do anything else
Honestly it seems too late already. Let the midterms rip!
the idiots waiting for the midterm will juts push the goal post further
I wish the midterms were overwith so people could stop hoping for that
They’ll just place their desperate hopes on something else.
Anything to avoid having to actually do something themselves.
I don’t, but it won’t hurt to voice how people think of the Admin and Congress.
Voicing dissent against the Admin shrinks the permission structure of its actions. Trump feels emboldened if the people have his back, and trepidatious if not.
Trepidation to a child-like tyrant might mean the difference between nuclear launch codes being used or not.
Ultimately elections mean nothing consequential in the US, but that doesn’t mean they can’t influence some politicians.
The time for electoral reform was 4 decades ago. Time to go through the motions. Good luck, and good night.
The entire system rested on Americans being American enough to willingly engage in peaceful transfer of power, for 250 years. Now, 66 million voted in a dictator instead. This is what that looks like.
77 million.
What other options do you propose?
I’m aware the midterms aren’t failsafe, but they’re the closest thing to hope that we have.
And if people make the same mistake as last time by boycotting the vote, then their defeatism will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
if we are relying on legal processes, we wait until midterms, magically retake the house and enough of the senate to impeach and unseat. that places the speaker of the house (not maga) in.
if we are relying on extralegal methods, we really ought to have better operational security than to discuss it on the internet. so…
That’s the thing, you won’t find the resistance units online at all if they’re smart. Can’t even take a turned off cellphone with you, we really should have studied more of the French and Norwegian resistances as well as other countries need to do what they did to Germany in WWII.
Edit: A missed word that changes a lot.
Ofc vote. This isn’t a boycott proposal. But let’s not pretend either.
I’m not pretending it’s likely that we’ll have free and fair elections followed by a peaceful transfer of power, but we’re also not in “no chance in hell” territory yet, and it is our most likely option.
If midterms come and go and it becomes obvious that elections were not both free and fair, or if there is no peaceful transfer of power in accordance with the will of the people as expressed by a free and fair election, then the third and fifth sentences of the Declaration of Independence come into effect.
Until that time, or under more favorable conditions, the fourth sentence of the Declaration applies.
Ah yes, all the other Mao fans will know your a Mao fan now. And you can congratulate each other on owning the libs in a corner of the internet that’s already way off to the left of the mainstream
Yeah, the mainstream is a great measure of morality these days
I’m not a Mao fan I just think it’s a funny image (and unfortunately topical in today’s world).
“Just joking bro”
I don’t, but also I’m fucking doing it. It takes all of five minutes. You’ve got the time to do it. You might as well. It can only help. It won’t solve the problem, but it will make it harder for them.
Oh absolutely. Keep engaging the system, such as it is. But know it won’t be enough. More is required. More that will not be done white knight riding to the rescue.
Yep, vote. 'Cause why not, it won’t make their job easier.
On the other hand, start thinking about escape.
I’m gonna vote, too, even though I fully expect to be arrested at some point for TDS because I voted for someone he didn’t endorse.
No that’s the thing: If the problem isn’t solved by the midterms, it’s already checkmate. The main goal of an aspiring dictator like Trump is to disable the system’s checks and balances and prepare for their ultimate seizure of power. Thanks to decades of executive overreach most of the groundwork is already in place, so it’s entirely possible that Trump can get to a point where launching a coup is a realistic prospect by the end of the year, in which case he’s just going to do it because he can’t afford to be removed from power or he’ll be thrown in jail.
it’s already there… why do you idiots keep moving the goalpost to justify your inaction?
Don’t worry, they’ll make up for it by endlessly wanking about a glorious revolution that they haven’t even begun to lay the groundwork for, while attacking any attempt to make actual change as “incrementalism”.
How’s the polls?
Any polls on what happens if your donald dies before the election in november?
In the medical industry there is a unit called the ICU, the Intensive Care Unit. This is where the ventilators live. A common side remark made by staff, depending on the day, the type of patients there, is that they are vegetable gardeners. Crude, but oftentimes accurate.
90 year old grandmas whose time has come, who have died, but the families are not ready to let go. So, grandma now lays in ICU, with broken ribs from the CPR that brought her back, unconscious, muscles atrophying and body deconditioning to anything but a bed. Brain dead people who are “fighters” who are “gonna pull through”. And so on. Passive bodies, carefully tended and watered in perpetuity, until the ethics committee gets involved or the family runs out of money after insurance runs out. We have this technology.
The question here is, even if Donald Trump dies, will he be allowed to officially die? Or will he become an orange flower in an ICU vegetable garden, tended and watered in perpetuity?
It occurs to me that none of his brain-dead followers will believe that it’s him unless they keep spray tanning a face onto the aforementioned vegetable.
They’d sooner believe it’s an AI fake and the “real” one has been abducted by Antifa, Greenland, Canada, or all of the above.
I think Canada should be on notice right now. I can’t believe I would ever say such a thing, but as a US citizen it just seems to me like these people have no line they won’t cross.
Idk Greenland seems pretty chill to me
This is done because there are no consequences, no repercussions. A convicted felon and rapist is in charge instead of in jail. The checks and balances of their system have long since failed.
Too much was based on good will, public outcry and political capital. When MAGA proved they will excuse anything, they doomed the system.
If the system is ever recaptured, we must put stronger checks in. Or suffer the same fate.
I’d like to cite the last two definitions given by Shoshanna Zuboff for surveillance capitalism:
7. A movement that aims to impose a new collective order based on total certainty; 8. An expropriation of critical human rights that is best understood as a coup from above: an overthrow of the people’s sovereignty.
Who not a part of them and laughing?
It’s all fun and games until a carrier sinks.
Anyone who thinks warmongering, fascism, and terrorism are unAmerican has not read much American history. The U.S.A was founded on genocide, grown on slavery, and has oligarchy baked in to their constitution. Hitler studied the way the U.S. treated indigenous and black people to form his genocide plans, and Israel has built on both the U.S. and Nazi examples for their treatment of Palestine.
The beat goes on.
What people hear when you say things like this: Ah, so this is business as usual, and while it sucks for the people affected, keeping my head down should continue working to keep me out of trouble. I’m powerless to fix this stuff, anyway, so I should just dissociate and worry about my own problems.
And then they don’t show up for elections…
Ah yes, elections will fix everything in the USA, just vote harder next time.
Just to make what I am saying as clear as I can without someone putting words in my mouth: The existing system is functioning as designed and as it has ALWAYS “worked” , and if the people of the world are going to have a chance to survive they need to destroy the current one, and replace it with one that cares about people and the planet, not just profits.
Well, we have plenty of people on Lemmy who place the blame for this situation on the Americans who didn’t vote for Kamala Harris, as if they weighed the stakes, deliberated, and decided affirmatively that not voting was the correct action. It’s like the people who believe that have never met actual humans. Denial and dissociation ‘works’ very well for us as a psychological defense mechanism.
Now, if we have any hope, we need people to work together to shut down the fascists. I’m just sayin’ that this here is a much better way to put it to motivate them, while telling them that “it’s always been this way” and “the U.S. is simply evil” is a great way to push people back into denial and dissociation.
They also have a history of not giving a fuck and finding excuses to get things done even if it’s bending the rules. When European countries were paying tribute to the Barbary pirates, the US didn’t have a declaration of war but they sent naval boats over essentially with the instructions “don’t start it”. They didn’t start it, and it wasn’t over super quickly, but they did finish it.
When will the rest of the world ? Not a peep from my shitty governemt here in Australia, we just keep doubling down and buying weapons from the US, nuclear submarines of all the stupid things.
Hey cousin!
We just bought some over the horizon radar from you guys!
Unfortunately we’re also contemplating buying some locked down F35s that are sure to be kill switched by the US when they decide that they want our resources. I think we need to accept that the F35s are not going to happen, and instead get the Gripens. At this point it’s seems like the height of stupidity to trust them, especially with our military hardware.
Yeah, that combined with the big servicing challenges for the F35s really makes me think getting them isn’t the right move. For once the glacial pace of Canadian military procurement helped us.
So much money already spent on them for nothing. Brutally wasteful.
In this case we should consider that money spent determining how to avoid giving up our sovereignty.
Hopefully we dodged a bullet.
As is Canadian tradition. It is not even the biggest waste currently in military spending.
Locked down planes? Install Arch Linux on them
I fly arch btw
You’re gonna need that submarine if you go to war with your biggest trading partner at the behest of America.
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Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.
US interest in Greenland has 0 to do with resources (which are extremely expensive to develop and far away from markets) and everything to do with replacing NATO military bases with US bases in order to directly threaten Europe more effectively.
The collective cowardice of the colonies divided by US attacks on their economies, and coercive miltiary equipment tribute demands, and cheerleading for Venezuela takeover, and other recent blatant election interference in Latin America (Bolivia, Honduras, Argentina, Brazil) means there are no lines in the sand. No one will come to Greenland or Canada’s defense, because the cowardice that responds to US aggression against its colonies is to devote tributes in order to fight Russia alone.
There are CIA allegiants on lemmy who setup a US invasion of Greenland as a US ploy to donate all of its resources to Russia, which means just more increased Russophobia as a response and more devotion to the US to help with Napoleonic fantasies on fighting Russia.
The line in the sand on Canada’s/Europe’s military cooperation with the US should have been drawn at tariffs. For Canada, fentanyl excuse for tariffs is accepting a categorical lie, just as the pretext for kidnapping Maduro.
Hey bud I’ve gone back over our past correspondence, and I’m now feeling less hostile. I feel as if you and I are on the same team but perhaps with a different view of what needs to be done. Is this accurate? Is it worth having a good faith dialogue?
Dear Canada:
Issue a warrant for Miller and his fascist wife and abduct them in the middle of the night.
Apparently we will just go with it now.
The tiny news item a few months ago about Miller and family moving out of his suburban house and onto a military base with the flimsy excuse about feeling threatened by sidewalk chalk doesn’t seem so amusing now.
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I might need to borrow your axe there bud. Wouldn’t mind an extra set of hands to wield it if needed
We need socialism
Yeah, well, capitalism’s propaganda is working boat loads better, hence so many idiots defending it
Fwiw, I think we should have a capitalist system with hard caps on net Worth. Anything over 10M goes straight to taxes. Nobody should be able to get more than X % of all the votes, ever. Govt regulates legislation on products, safety, etc, for consumers.
This way we get the best of capitalism (free trade, basically), nobody gets too rich, nobody gets too powerful, and the government has a huge income for a giant socialist system with free healthcare, free education, free transportation, free housing, ubi, you name it.
Governments can sponsor independent journalism financing institutions that can in turn finance real independent journalism that can keep everyone honest
If nobody is too powerful, if everyone is honest and well informed, nobody can start a war over bullshit reasons anymore
I think we should have a capitalist system with hard caps on net Worth.
Stage one cancer is still cancer. All capitalism is exploitation.
Are you saying you prefer market socialism? I think that the means of productions would be owned by the people through markets. If NOT market socialism, I can assume you prefer democratic socialism or social democracy.
True, but if we’re going to put our people ahead of profits for American corporations, we’re definitely going to need allies to guarantee our sovereignty.
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Venezuela should have been the line. Want to make it Greenland? So, they can take mexico, Cuba?
Each inch they take is too much. They have proven that they are following the Fascist guidebook.
Venezuela is the first step. Same as Hitler with Poland.
Poland was the last step, which is what started WWII. I think you mean Czechoslovakia (or maybe the Rhineland) was the first step.
Thanks for the correction.
Just the first step 😔
No one, absolutely no one will come defend Greenland, not even Denmark. They would have to send F35 to defend it, with their missions entry going through a server… in the US!! (And these geniuses doubled down, ordering more F35 last october, and they just ordered more military equipment from the US!).
No NATO member will declare war to the US.
The only option they would have is to immediately build a military base in Greenland with forces from all European countries, ready to fight. And then, MAYBE Trump will think twice before invading it.
Greenland is arguably under NATO protection. Cuba is not, and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba, I’m not going to get involved with that bullshit.
As for Mexico, I’m saddened by the lack of an informal alliance between the two countries. As much as I wish it weren’t so, I’ve not seen any indication from Mexico that they would stand with us. An invasion of Mexico would be an enormous step that would justify ramping up sanctioning behavior, but for me, as a Canadian, the line in the sand should be Greenland. Meaning if Greenland is ever directly attacked, we are in a war stance. We cut off everything to the US, sell all the Tbonds, nationalize all strategic resources (oil, media, telecom, water, hydro, food, potash, critical minerals), seize assists and nationalize all patents. I would recommend we also look for any alliance with China.
THAT’S what I mean by a line in the sand. We cut them off and dig in.
Edit… Hey if you disagree tell me why, stand up for yourself don’t just downvote and move on.
Why would you term Greenland a protectorate? It’s the territory of an ally.
It saddens me that Americans seem to be incapable of understanding even the concept of an ally.
I meant that it is under the NATO umbrella. I have no interest, and I would not support, any Canadian involvement in Greenland beyond our help and support in the face of American aggression.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a CommunistThen they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a SocialistThen they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionistThen they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a JewThen they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me- Martin Niemöller
Attacking communists is the first step. That’s where the line needs to be drawn. Not an inch to fascism.
Yes, my opinion can be changed for Mexico, and it would be made in the moment.
Frankly I wish our governments would more openly stand with one another. I would support it 100%
By the way, the words Niemoller wrote refer to internal oppression and disenfranchisement. For any example of an external analogue in the same time period, consider UK agreement with Poland, that eventually pulled them into the war and which they courageously honored and defended. We don’t have such an agreement with Mexico.
and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba
Could you provide a source for this claim?
It’s the guys who were shitty owners of plantations ans lackeys of the US
It’s no secret that the US offered free flights to Cubans that disagreed with Castro, and this resulted in a large population of Cuban-Americans that want Cuba to go back to the “Cuba of Yesterday”
US is in NATO so it doesn’t matter, to be honest NATO without US doesn’t exists because it’s EU, UK, US and Canada, that’s why EU wants Canada in and to be honest Canada should join to keep itself inside old union. US is heading towards BRICS right now.
Ironically I think joining BRICS would be a great move for the EU right now, both as an immediate out from the dollar based economic order and to pretty much jam soft power crowbar into BRICS itself that might turn it into a more open economic union and not just Chinas (and Russia playing with an unplugged controllers) sphere of influence.
That said I’m probably missing a TON of nuance that makes my take basic and dumb.
Fuck off Russian shit.
I am Mexican Canadian.
Mexico hasn’t forgotten about all the stolen territory. Yes, they call it sale and secession and whatever, it was stolen.
If I put a gun to your head and ask you to sell me a property you have for $10. You are going to do it. I’d say I purchased it. I’m sure you’ll say I stole it.
So, why do disagree?
Because of the wise reflection of “first they came for the…”
Well. If we don’t stand against them taking over Venezuela, who is going to stand with us when they try to take over us (Greenland, Canada, Mexico and the rest)
The manifest Destiny is no joke.
indeed and the Alamo was setup to fail to create an excuse to invade Mexico. There were more Texas-Mexicans defending the Alamo than Caucasians.
I agree on everything you’ve said.
If I may ask, and forgive my ignorance: Am I wrong about Mexico? Is there any room for mutual support? Or is Canada generally an afterthought in Mexico, or worse, not trusted?
Canada is very far from Mexican consciousness.
Too bad for both of us, I guess.
