I vote for no borders.
Trump agrees. That’s why he “arrested” Maduro for breaking a US law
Monkey’s Paw.
Yes, Open borders is the desirable outcome. The fact that people were saying they don’t want open borders shows they’re a lib and therefore not a real leftist.
It is not immigrants who are the cause of any problems in America, it is the right-fascists and oligarchs who shit this garbage out their mouths.
The counter to right-wing extremism isn’t right-wing liberalism, it is real leftism, the thing they are trying to dismiss.
I call BS. A real right winger would spell it boarders.
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Yes. Open borders means more citizens, which means more tax revenue, which means more social services. It’s kinda how that whole “government” thing works
I mean, I’m fairly liberal with immigration but I literally do not understand how it would even be possible to have completely open borders.
What happens when 100 million people try to immigrate in less than ten years? Where would they live? Where would their children go to school?
You know border control and passports were never a thing not long ago right and it was never an issue?
What happens when 100 million people try to immigrate in less than ten years? Where would they live? Where would their children go to school?
When large enough number of people immigrate they start building new communities or expand existing ones and with the increase of human resources and demand new houses, infrastructure, and cities get built providing more jobs, money, and services. It’s how America was built after all.
If the development rate can’t keep up with the immigration rate then there would be less jobs and less services which makes prospect immigrants either find better opportunities at home or look for a different destination.
The only case where this rule wouldn’t apply would be with refugees whether it’s war or natural disasters. And even then after a few years they seem to mostly integrate well with society and the economy.
Historically speaking passports and border controls have been the exception, not the rule. The reason you can’t conceive of it possibly working is you’ve only ever lived in a world where you need a passport to go somewhere.
The scenario of 100 million people suddenly arriving is FUD. Apart from not being likely even on purely logistical grounds, the questions you’re asking are ones that are eminently answerable: Where do they live? In houses that they build. Where would their children go to school? At schools that they build and staff. It’s from the same fearmongering stable as “theytookerrrjaawwwbs”.
Open borders doesn’t necessarily mean anyone can come at any time. It’s about changing the process to be more equitable.
They would live at Amazon Warehouses and the kids would be in the mines.
Open borders is more like ‘Come to the window, take an application, open to anybody’ and not ‘Only for people with corporate sponsors (H-1B)’ or ‘Willing to work in terrible conditions for shit pay and abuse, then go back home (H-2B)’ or ‘Be Rich (EB-5)’
There is still control over entry, but anybody who can pass screening and meets minimum requirements (has money to support themselves or has a sponsor/job waiting) will be allowed entry and a path to citizenship.
We’re a country of immigrants, it is hypocritical to attack the very system that is responsible for most of us being here.
Is there still a limit on how many people are accepted then?
Yes, a program like this wouldn’t have unlimited funding and could be overloaded so there would have to be practical limits set.
Ideally, in a system with a working government, the usage/funding would be monitored to ensure that immigration is being handled safely and at levels where there are not multi-year wait time or lottery.
In my opinion, the goal is to create a system where we can screen for border security issues while not hampering people who want to come here, work and pay taxes. This same service should also provide immigrant services to help them with their relocation by providing education and information in order to ease the process.
When Germany reunified about 2 million people (about 10% of the population) moved west. This is for a situation where they spoke the same language, had mostly the same shared traditions and culture , visiting family was a short car ride away and West Germany offered all the social services and workers rights one expects.
In what world would 100 million people abandon their whole lives to move to the US where they might not speak the language or understand the culture, to get bankrupt by a cold, having your kids killed in schools and working 51 weeks of the year?
Canada had an annual immigration rate of 1.4 million per year and the population is 40 million and that’s still with a limited non-open door policy, and it was way too much which Canada realized and started to restrict it, which would be the equivalent of America bringing in 14 million a year.
I absolutely wouldn’t be surprised if 100 mil wanted to immigrate to America over ten years if there was an open door policy.
Where would they live?
In houses.
Where would their children go to school?
In schools.
There are countries with 100 million people. This means the percentage of construction workers, teachers, and real estate agents from 100 million people would be enough to build enough housing for 100 million people.
Also aren’t virtually all roads, schools, and houses built by immigrants currently? More coming means we can build more. Hell, imagine we paid them enough to open their own universities and construction companies.
Infrastructure isn’t tied directly to labour available.
There needs to be enough time to construct, enough money to invest, enough space to have proper city layouts etc.
You can’t just build a water treatment plant anywhere.
You also can only build housing and schools and hospitals so fast, an extra 100 million people in America in less than ten years would mean and extra 25% or everything needing to be built in less than ten years.
At the moment government doesn’t fund construction of housing, so that’s an entire system that needs to put in place before letting everyone in.
Plus a bunch of other issues that I can’t even think about I imagine.
You can’t envision it because you live in a country that is currently incapable of maintaining basic infrastructure and providing the most bare minimum housing for its populace, much less expanding it.
That’s not true for elsewhere in the world, nor is it true historically.
10 million dedicated laborers (10%) is an insane amount of manpower.
The leeches are not the immigrants, unless they happen to be an oligarch immigrant like Elon.
Are people still giving right wingers the most valuable thing in their lives, time? I’m to the point I tell them to just STFU anymore, I don’t want to waste anymore time on them. They don’t have logical arguments.
The convenient thing is that “Abolish ICE” is valid whether you want closed borders, open borders, or no borders.
The main predecessor to ICE was Immigration and Naturalization Service. Notice the difference in tone between Service and Enforcement? But even if you don’t don’t support immigration, ICE has morphed into a paramilitary secret police to do Trump’s bidding and has been attacking and deporting natural born citizens. If you only oppose “illegal” immigration, ICE has been targeting and deporting deporting people with all their paperwork in order.
Literally the only two reasons to support keeping ICE is that you support fascism and/or White Supremacy
It’s valid to the majority but to those in power it’s a non starter.
Morphed? It was established to be a redundant paramilitary organization with less oversight and more jingoist blind loyalty than its predecessor or law enforcement in general. That it could be turned directly against Americans was an original design specification.
There’s a difference between serving the oligarchy at large and personal loyalty in a cult of the personality.
I don’t give a rats ass who comes over the border. But we do need customs enforcement if for no other reason then to staunch the flow of illegal firearms into Mexico and Canada. Having said that I trust no one in ICE right now to do that (also they aren’t).
Firearms are a human right. The problem is not firearms heading into Mexico, it’s Gate Keeping firearms out of the hands of the common man.
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Fearmongerers be like…
Trafficked women and children be like… HELP
Drug couriers be like… THANKS
Terrorists be like…EASY
Person A - I don’t think cars should have breaks or seat belts.
Person B - I think that’s a bad idea for these reasons.
You…
Fearmongerers be like…
but you didn’t provide reasons, you provided common hateful rhetoric tuned to convince people to favor terrorists (ICE) over their neighbors
I provided hateful content? What hateful content. Pointing out that people need help, drugs and terrorists need to be stopped in no universe is hateful.
@wpb@lemmy.world already explained that the root of these issues is not drugs and terrorists flowing into this country. you dismissed them as bait. i see no reason to engage with you as a good faith actor
the root of these issues is not drugs and terrorists flowing into this country.
The root of my issue with it, is, and criminals, and net tax recipients. Youre going to put words into my mouth that it’s because, as wpb said, the race of the people? Get out of here, you’re the bad actor.
Ok, let’s indulge in your racist rhetoric a little bit. What you’re essentially claiming is that violent crime will go up if there are more immigrants. However, if you look at actual data, you’ll see that the number of violent crimes per capita for undocumented immigrants is much, much lower than for citizens. Reality just doesn’t line up with your BS. Facts don’t care about your feelings.
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When you say that you’re pro crime and violence on the innocent
I don’t want open borders, I want abolished borders, big difference.
You"re missing half the picture here. Zeros are such because legality is delirium. It’s all about money and Earthbound showed it clearly it when you get done with Moonside.
Shit if you make to the explination of your dreams right before you bot out to beat your neighbor Pokey & G…
I think you all read poorly. And that I write too cryptic of logic.
Zeros are illegal…
…Because legalism brainwork vampire and copypasta spam.
Do pee ball hence in antigravity?
If someone else told you what to think and you didn’t check the cards, what the fuck do you think you’re shuffling and what does it really say?
WORLDWIDE SCHENGEN 🥺👉👈
The US immigration “policy” is just as stupid as it is inhumane. At this point it’s easier to imagine it being orchestrated by rivals that think long term, rather than being just from the ever-present conservative hate and ignorance.
Our economy is built with an infinite growth mindset, moreso than most. ALL developed nations are seeing population growth slow down and even reverse – that’s just what happens when populations get educated and wealthy.
So what are we doing? Violently kicking out tons of lower paid workers while also scaring away some of the most highly educated and specialized Ph.Ds.
But hey, at least we’re consistent and also make conditions horrible for natural born citizens to raise USian children!
