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these morons don’t think iran had a plan if their 86 year old leader died?
The morons orchestrating these attacks are doing so to distract other morons from the sex and child trafficking crimes they committed.
Morons all the way down. Unfortunately these morons have access to ballistic missiles.
Added benefit but the main reason is oil.
Well the Orange Jackass sure as hell doesn’t have the well-being of Iranians in mind.
These morons dont understand martyrdom because their lives are spiritual vacuums.
Every so often I am reminded Reddit liberals (who just weren’t honest enough to stay there with their MAGA friends, who are closer to them than they are to anyone outside of the Western sphere) also came here. Oh well.
This shit is no joke, man, the US backed a coup and when it wasn’t successful enough they murdered people, and this is not even the first time in the span of a year (in this country). And American imperialism is always, always, on the wrong side of history and ethics, because they’re amoral geopolitical moves made to enrich Western aristocrats, loss of life is not even part of the equation. Stop it already, you don’t have to be Greta but at least you can understand this is nothing but violence for the sake of control by the usual villains, and not make fun of it all.
Nah, the guy was a piece of shit and I’m glad he’s dead and fully supporting people meming in him. I’m not giving some opressive dictator that does all the same shit I hate people like Trump for, just because he also hates America.
Genuine political change has to come from the people who live under it. If Trump got blown up tomorrow, it would no more change US politics than this is gonna do anything for Iranians. If you want a people to rise up against their “dictator” give them space to decide the best course of actions for themselves.
Why should Iranian citizens look on this as a good thing, take it as an opportunity overturn the system, when the country that bombed and ransacked their neighbors for 20+ years is looming like a vulture?
Your heart seems to be in the right place but you’re largely misinformed, or taking things in a vacuum. Regardless, is it America’s place to bomb yet another country, yet another group of people who haven’t attacked them first, for whatever reason you might think?
Nah, try listening to Iranians. They love that he got exploded.
First of all, eww, don’t speak so casually about death. And no, lol, the only ones saying that are expats living in the West, of course. 😅
No on both accounts. You’re wrong, both in your attempt to regulate my language and your assertion.
You can literally find (actual real non-AI) footage of people being close enough to the explosion that they should be terrified, but they’re elated instead.
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Too bad his death had to cost the lives of innocents…
To be fair, so did his life.
Nice! Now do Putin, Trump and the rest of the dictators
So easy to take care of Iran, but so hard to take care of Russia.
Seeing the USA waltz in dropping bombs over literally nothing but ignoring the Ukraine is pretty bizarre.
And don’t forget to nuke Isreal to green dust!
Can we include the plutocrats and oligarchs? That seems to be the root of the problem.
don’t forget the bilionaires!
Fact is that Ayatollah was 86 and had cancer… he was going to die anyway probably in the next 5 years. We didn’t have to engineer 30K protesters murdered and 150 schoolgirls killed along with him and his wife. We could have been patient, like the Chinese. After all, it is not like Iran has a shortage of mullahs.
in 1979 the US placed Shah, who looted Iran was ousted. Now we are supposed to champion his son to rule? Some Nepo baby? This administration is straight up incompetent and globally dangerous.
What could possibly go wrong?
How’s Libya doing these days? Is it good?
I forget this fuck’s name. No, don’t google it, its totally fine.
Let’s call them all “Epstein files”
Man, defrag your badges for fuck sake
Good for him.
Warms the cockles of the heart.
Dedicated his life to spiritual fulfilment.
Killed by a country that rapes little girls and a country that murders little girls.
lol wow, we’re pretending this dude was a good guy now?
Some people are just so anti-USA and anti-israel that they can’t see further than “USA and Jews bad, everyone else good”.
Conflating Israel and Jews is called antisemitism. If someone is just anti-Israel, they don’t become antisemitic from that (but it sure invites a lot of antisemites who smell a possible convert)
Not quite, cause semites also includes Muslim Arabs, also most Anti-israel people are just anti-zionism, The thing is most people that are anti-israel are just anti-jews because they know nothing they talk about.
When I was 14, I also wisecracked that, but then
- I learned that linguistics is a descriptive discipline, not a prescriptive one: meaning correspond to usage, not what a word is “supposed” to mean
- I realized that words often have meanings that don’t correspond to their literal translation
So no, antisemitism doesn’t refer to any semitic tribes that aren’t Jewish.
I agree with you that words meaning is a thing of context, and what matters the most is what people imply when they use it, generalization usually takes a person to the wrong path; the only real guide for almost everything is the context.
IMO, anti-Semitism is more used to refer to anti-muslim sentiment than anti-jew sentiment, but I guess the location on earth that I walk matters a lot.
Where is that? I’ve never once heard of read of “antisemitism” being used that way
Reminds me of when the US took out Saddam, the US was wrong for invading Iraq. But saddam was not a good guy and deserved to die. Both can be true. And I do remember during the Iraq invasion people defending Saddam, not the people of Iraq but defending Saddam as a guy who was good cause he opposed America
Like a brainwashed American would know anything about him. other than Zionist / Pahlavi propaganda about how evil he was.
He was a spiritual figure to millions. A poet and a scholar.
I should add he was the only obstacle, through his Fatwa, to Iran pursuing a nuclear weapon. Thats now history thanks to Netanyahu and his paedophile puppet President
Edit: fucking morons
Im an indigenous Latino not born anywhere near America but ok.
What I do know is a bunch of Iranian people who has to flee the murders, rapes and executions of the Islamic Revolution .
Fuck religion and spirituality, and fuck this old fuck who got blown up. May he rot in the abyss
A revolution caused by western powers actively destabilizing Iran mind you. Not dick riding the ayatolah but they are a direct result of foreign meddling.
Iranians outside Iran hate their country like the Cubans of Florida do. You can’t trust anything they say.
You would understand better if the Jews had killed the pope and were dancing in the streets and Zionist media were labeling him a murdering paedophile who deserved to die.
Yeah, clearly the ones still in Iran absolutely loved him. To the point where they recently went out to the streets to show their support, right?
They were protesting the collapse of the currency which was engineered by the Americans. Scott Besant openly admitted this on TV.
Mossad then instigated violence to encourage state repression to give Trump a justification for launching air strikes. Pompeo even tweeted about their role in the riots.
https://the307.substack.com/p/why-is-mike-pompeo-and-the-mossad
Millions of people.have in fact gone out into the streets in support of the government, especially since the murder of the Supreme Leader but this has ZERO coverage in Zionist media.
Sure they were! Nothing happening over there had anything to do with the women that were kidnapped, raped, and/or killed in the custody of the Guidance Patrol! Everybody celebrated these as beautiful moments of religious expression!
You have to really go out of your way to be this uneducated, like really there are endless sources on the atrocities and abuses by the royal guard of Iran and the ayatollah, you have to avoid and refuse to read them to have your viewpoint.
P.s Castro was also a murderer and madman, you’re just too young to remember him as anything but the bearded old man with a cigar , you didn’t see their brutal rise to power, so all that death must have been a Jewish lie right?
You think the Savak under the Shah was any better?
The West’s perception of Iran has for over 40 years been steered by Israel fanatics who despise Iran.
You should really stop acting like a country is some monolithic thing where everyone thinks and behaves the same. That’s not how it works anywhere. C’mon big dog, a little nuance isn’t going to hurt you.
Dedicated his life to spiritual fulfilment.
LOL, good one :D
Like you would know
Yup.
Can someone explain the “died on the first day” part?
He died on the first day of the current US-Israeli attacks on Iran.
Ah, I see so even though he has been against them for a long time, the joke is that counting from the actual war start it is just one day.
You sir have correctly parsed the humor included in the joke.
Unlike Albert would
Empire’s been attacking these people for at least a century.
Letterman?
How many times does Iran need to be clapped? Looks like they won’t leading the Middle East with Russia and China.
Fucking noob… a lot of big talk, but didn’t leave the basement of his house.
Now watch all the tankies praise him as a honorary socialist
They do already. “Respected leader” one post over there said.
He literally was respected by people in Iran, not everyone there is against the government and the biggest problems with the government were not him specifically it is the sprawling layers of republican bureaucracy that runs Iran and does a bad job. The Supreme Leader there isn’t really like an absolutist dictator, the Ayatollahs are like the Supreme Court of the Islamic Republic and he was like the Chief Justice.
It is wild seeing USAmericans with no information talking about a topic they only received messaging about from their government. Before you call me an apologist please understand my family had to escape Iran in the back of a van and get dumped on the border of Turkey with nothing to get out, I’m not making excuses for them.
All dictators have support, otherwise they wouldn’t exist. The majority of Iranians did not/do not like the current regime.
Was he respected by the up to thirty thousand protesters he had massacred?
I am trying to get someone to explain what tankie means. People call me tankie from time to time, but I have no love for the iranian goverment.
Assuming you’re not a tankie, I would guess it’s your instance, which is the main one where all the tankies hang out lol
That’s the thing, how would I know if I am tankie, if I don’t have a clear definition. If it is defined by wether or not I am oppossed to military moving into Budapest 70 years ago. I am probably not a tankie, but I say probably, because everyone writing about seem so biased I find it difficult to see the truth of it. But my moral compass tells me it is always wrong to use military against civilians. Always.
Are you in some way pro Putin, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Kim ? Then you might be a tankie.
If you think they are/were despicable mass-murderous dictators then you’re not.
At the end of the day the deeds define the word, not the other way around. Not everyone will use the word correctly or appropriately. It’s why only you yourself can truly categorize as such, but at that point you must come to terms with what that means, positively or negatively.
The bias thing is a real problem, but also sometimes not. It all depends on the context. Some people with unreasonable opinions will absolutely waste your time by never accepting difficult realities and talking around it, so identifying a mindset that’s immune to self reflection can be useful. But similarly if a label is all that’s needed to dismiss an opinion also is not very reasonable. But it’s how some people operate. So sometimes not standing behind a label can be more fruitful as not to entice those presuppositions.
There is another problem. People use slurs to derail the discussions. Calling people “libs” or “tankies” left, right and center removes focus from whatever is discussed and make people crawl into their foxholes. It is an easy way to devalue people’s opinions or simply derail discussions. I think I will keep on questioning when people use the word “tankie”, because once the word is on the table, the discussion has already been derailed one way or another. And maybe one day it will lead to better discourse.
Which is funny because this was just the main instance when I (and many others) learned about Lemmy. I’ve been called a tankie because of my instance when I’m pretty sure tankies would call me MAGA as I’m somewhere between a leftist, a liberal, and libertarian
Tankies are apologists for “communist” leaders such as Stalin, Mao and Kim. They love Russia, China and North Korea and will swear those countries can do no wrong. “Left” authoritarians… bootlickers.
“Tankie” was originally a British slang term from the 50s.
In 1956, when the Soviet Union invaded Hungary, the British Communist movement was split over whether this action was cool, or sucked.
The people who thought it sucked derided their opponents who thought its cool, as “Tankies”, because the images in the newspapers featured lots of photos of Soviet tanks rolling into Budapest.
After this, it stops being used for the most part, until it started being reclaimed by socialists online as a tongue-in-cheeck insult to throw at each other. Because, let’s be real, it’s a silly sounding word that’s fun to say, and silly words are among the UK’s biggest cultural exports.
Eventually though, Tankie breached containment and started to be used by people who had zero connection to any kind of socialist movement or history, and its meaning began to warp.
I’ve seen Marxists, even those think the Soviet invasion of Hungary was bad, called tankies. I’ve seen Anarchists called Tankies, I’ve seen right wing guys who love trad russian Orthodox Christianity called Tankies.
It’s a word that doesn’t mean much anymore. It’s like when your grandpa calls Joe Biden “Pinko Scum”
Thank you. I had an idea, that it was something like that. It seems that on lemmy it means everyone left of poster (or OP), the poster disagree with.
That’s usually how the tankies try to convey it, but otherwise I haven’t seen that argument.
So people are “tankies” if they define “tankie” as slur meaning “left of poster”? That once again sounds like the way MAGA use “woke” about stuff they don’t like.
Not at all, and you’re not the first that tries to denaturate or change the definition of the word tankie.
A tankie is pro authoritarian, but instead of being pro fascism its being pro those who called themselves left like stalin lenin etc
So it describes the “left” Maga if you want.
I sure do understand why tankies would want to make believe the “tankie” is just like “woke” but it isn’t, it’s calling them out, showing that they are not leftists but authoritarians (so again, basically fascists).
You have a child’s understanding of the world
Mostly cringe american kids who confuse authoritarianism for socialism.
Tankies exist around the world, I don’t know why you’re making it an american thing. It’s not limited to just americans.
Because I sometimes get curious and find out who they are. Either americans are less privacy conscious, or most tankies are american college kids, often with some neuropsychological disability kids like to flaunt nowadays.
A decade ago, it was “as a black man in america…” Now I suppose it’s “as an autistic person in america…”
Still the same troll farms operating out of russia.
Yeah but closer to the eastern bloc you’re likely to hear the term “vatnik” used instead.
Tankies and vatniks have a lot of overlap.
From my understanding, a vatnik is specifically someone who is shilling for the russian government. Not necessarily under a veneer of leftism (because the kremlin is far-right-wing).
A tankie may or may not be directly shilling for the kremlin, but it’s always an auth-comm under a guise of leftism.
Tankie vatniks exist of course, but they’re just the center of the venn diagram.
The number of Chinese Marxist-Leninists alone vastly outnumbers us Western tankies. The vast majority of “tankies” live in various countries outside of the imperial core.
Even in the US, the most prominent and successful “tankie” organization was the Black Panther Party.
Tankies are basically maga but for “socialism”
They don’t have any actual values or morals and will happily support the most disgusting and heinous people that opress people, are racists wexist homophobic, that murder civilians and even commit genocide as long as they say they hate capitalism, and western imperialism.
Supporting Putin in the name of communism is the funniest thing tankies do, imo.
It’s basically a term people on the left use for people on the extreme outer-reaches of the left, typically unthinking, uncritical, and unreasonable supporters of bolshevism and authoritarian communism, and pretty much any oppressive regime that considers itself “anti-west.”
They love putin, jinping, kim, assad, khamenei, etc.
They stylize themselves as “Marxist-Leninists” and your instance is full of them, so if you signed up unknowingly and aren’t a tankie, people might just assume based on the “.ml”
But yeah, most people on lemmy are tired of arguing in circles with tankies, who typically rely on ad hominems, strawmen, sealioning, and other bad faith or uncharitable arguments to bully you into exhaustion. Some of them have to be bots or russian trolls, cause no one can honestly be so dense. It can feel like arguing with someone from r/conservative, just with the opposite opinions.
That is a pretty vague definition, and that is probably what irks me about the term. It can be used as a slur for anything you don’t like. Like “woke” for conservatives. I switched home when I found out .world blocks instances they don’t like. Lemmy.ml seemed the to be the broadest, left accepting instance and they block out porn by default, win-win in my book. Infact I like the fact that I can be an anti-imperialist in places like hexbear, without being called a tankie. Being against killing school children does not mean I support the iranian goverment. I hope you take this answer in good faith. It is written in honesty.
It’s not that vague if you’ve ever encountered one in the wild. You would know exactly what it’s referring to. And it’s nothing like conservatives using “woke.” They use “woke” to describe anything mildly progressive. Tankies aren’t progressives, they’re accelerationist armchair militants. They call democratic socialists fascists.
Even if your opinion aligns with them on most things, it doesn’t automatically make you a tankie. If you’re not an auth-comm intent on bullying everyone who disagrees with you the slightest bit and labeling all nuance and critical reasoning as capitalist imperialist propaganda, then you’re probably not a tankie.
That’s also different from critiquing actual imperialism and capitalism. But tankies’ overuse of those terms and others like “fascist” waters down the meanings and obfuscates the terms, making it harder for good-faith communicators to actually discuss these topics critically.
You can be anti-imperialist all you want, but tankies use western imperialism as an excuse to justify supporting imperialist regimes like Russia. They’re full of cognitive dissonance.
Go ahead and disagree with someone slightly on .ml or hexbear and see what kind of response you get.
I’ve yet to try those kinds of response, when I discuss with people. Then again I haven’t been going into discussion about Yemen for instance. Mainly because my actual knowledge is simply to small to contribute. I do support anti-imperialist struggles, even by regimes I don’t like. But that does not mean I waiver my right to call out they in turn tyrannize their populations.
And yeah, I have a feeling we have a lot of online cosplayers here in the fediverse, but I will keep treating people as if they are real, when I interact. That however also mean I will keep asking people for definitions. I.e. what do you mean when you say “fash”, “tankie”, “lib” and so on. People use the slurs to hide behind and everyone loves if we can make everything black and white.
But I am a socialist and I have been called a tankie several times and I’ve even been banned for a couple of sub because I asked about that definition. I don’t mind people not liking what I say, but I will not take being slurred without questioning it. If that means a ban, well I am happy for getting out of another echo chamber.
Mainly because my actual knowledge is simply to small to contribute
See, an actual tankie would never admit to having limitations on their own personal knowledge and understanding.
But I am a socialist and I have been called a tankie several times
I’m a socialist too and tankies have called me a fascist because I believe in democratic-socialism instead of bolshevism. They clearly don’t know what fascism is.
Lol you’re not a socialist, you’re a liberal.
Tankie means someone who sometimes defends socialist authoritarian governments because they oppose the capitalist authoritarian governments.
They(we, sometimes, it’s complicated) have a tendency to forgive the crimes of those socialist governments. Sometimes this is justified, because the accusations are false, invented by capitalist media as propaganda.
However, sometimes it’s because we want to believe that the opposition to capitalism is always good and decent, when the truth is muddy and rather unpleasant: both sides suck in their own special ways, and you shouldn’t put anyone on a pedestal.
Here in the fediverse, anarchist leftists or left-libs are the norm, so we tankies get dogpiled pretty often. A pox on all hierarchical governments seems to be the way here.
A nuanced answer. Thank you. Those are rare.
Doesn’t the term come from the Tiananmen Square massacre when the army drove tanks over students?
this isn’t 1995 man, you can just watch the full video of that not happening anytime you like
Oh, because we all know that the entire event was caught on video and it was so easy to smuggle film out of china at the time.
(Context: the video of tank man was hidden in a toilet while the authorities searched the man’s apartment after he was spotted filming from his window).
But denying massacres of civilians is so in character for someone from .ml, so nobody is surprised, really…
So if you’ve watched the full ‘tankman’ footage you would know that he wasn’t killed by a tank or by anything else in that video. You can believe decades and decades of breathless propaganda coming directly out of the NED and the other usual characters, or you can believe your own lying eyes.
It’s sufficient to assume that if this one important image was essentially a lie, then many other aspects of the story are also manufactured. For example did you know that many dozens of police officers (who were unarmed) were burnt to death by the student protestors? did you know that the leaders of the student protests were coordinating with and were paid by western intelligence agencies? Did you know that literally nancy pelosi was on the ground during those protests?
do you know anything other than what imperialist propaganda has directed you to ‘know’?
I’d rather be a tankie than a normie
So because tank man wasn’t killed on camera, you’re claiming the entire massacre was a lie?
Does anyone even claim that he was killed? That was never the point of that video. The point was that an unnamed, ordinary, everyday person can be a hero during difficult times, even on his way back from the grocery store. He didn’t go out that day planning to be a hero, but the circumstances aligned and he chose courage over complacency.
For example did you know that many dozens of police officers (who were unarmed) were burnt to death by the student protestors?
Is that on video? Cause it sounds like you won’t believe the protesters were murdered unless it’s on video. So do you have video evidence corroborating this claim that it was actually the protesters who were killing cops?
I never thought I would hear a tankie with a pro-police argument. I guess “ACAB” comes with a footnote that says “except for the PLA”? How fast they turn around and lick boots when the dictators are anti-west…
did you know that the leaders of the student protests were coordinating with and were paid by western intelligence agencies?
You’re gonna need some evidence to back that up. Maga claims the anti-ICE protestors are paid by foreign influence, but the truth is people simply don’t like being oppressed by violent dictators.
Did you know that literally nancy pelosi was on the ground during those protests?
I don’t give a shit what nancy pelosi was doing. She’s a political opportunist and saw a moment to extort for clout. It’s not that deep.
do you know anything other than what imperialist propaganda has directed you to ‘know’?
Do you “know” anything other than imperialist propaganda has directed you to “know”? Tankies are a cult like maga, you reject reality as “propaganda” because it doesn’t align with your worldview, which is largely composed of actual propaganda.
I’d rather be a tankie than a normie
I’m definitely no normie, but thank fuck there are more than two options (sorry not sorry that conflicts with your campist worldview, but life isn’t sportsball team).
It is routinely claimed that the ‘tankman’ was killed by the tank right after the clip that is usually shown ends. The full video shows that he left along with others who convinced him to leave. You might not be making that claim, but that was what the anti-chinese propaganda claimed for decades.
The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that the massacre in fact happened. What exists in video form is a man standing in front of a tank and then NOT being killed. Despite many many lies sugfesting otherwise. It seems like you don’t participate in that particular lie, while still uncritically accepting the rest of the narrative. Perhaps if one major detail of the story is false other details of the story are also false? i guess we’ll just have to trust that the same three-letter agencies who have every reason and motive to undermine chinese sovereignty are in this particular case trustworthy.
I mention the burning to death of unarmed police to illustrate to you which side was the more violent and unrestrained. Violence which is characteristic of foreign regime-change operations and hybrid warfare.
I want to defund the police and reform the organisation to serve the people, there’s enough room within this worldview to not be burning cops alive (and i must stress again that they were not armed with lethal force).
You say that you aren’t a normie but then uncritically accept an obviously distorted version of history which has been constructed to serve western imperial interests.
Maybe you’re an operator who does actually know the truth but lies about it professionally. In that case i’m sorry for inaccurately describing you as a normie, when really you would be a glowie.
but just in case you are actually just a normie in denial here’s a thing to read
Somebody shared this link. It helped me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Laughing at all the tankies getting butthurt in the comments
You’re probably being called a tankie because you’re from lemmy.ml .
Which is idiotic. I’m an anarchist for example.
“Tankie” is just a derogatory term for anyone to the left of the person saying it
You guys are easy to spot these days.
You can see from the very question that poster asked that, whatever clear definition about authoritarianism or whatever you think it has, that’s just not how people are actually using it. Centrists will use it for Mamdani supporters, DSA-types will use it for Marxist-Leninists, and anarchists will use it for almost literally anyone.
Can you show an example of people calling Mamdani supporters tankies please?
Sorry, I don’t save links to random stupid internet comments
You should probably start doing that if you’re going to use them as core components of your online arguments.
Can’t, because it didn’t happen.
No one calls Mamdani a tankie, but I have seen tankies calling Mamdani a fascist. They clearly don’t know what fascism is.
Centrists also don’t use the term “tankie.” If anything they call everyone on the left a socialist (as if it’s a bad thing) or a communist or a radical leftist.
“Tankie” is specifically a word people on the left use to refer to auth-comms.
anarchists will use it for almost literally anyone
I mean, yeah? Like the most basic understanding of anarchy is that hierarchy is a bad thing, so it applies to a lot of political philosophies
“If they don’t lick bolshevik boots, they’re a fascist” -average tankie
“Tankie” is just a derogatory term for anyone to the left of the person saying it
anarchists will use it for almost literally anyone
Great logic. Almost as if you’re speaking shite, unless anarchists are on the right now…
No, I’m just accusing them of throwing around words that mean nothing and thinking everyone is authoritarian. Just a little joke.
Kinda like how tankies think everyone is a fascist (except for other tankies, of course)?
Not even a little bit, but typical tankie rhetoric is to call anyone who isn’t at least as far to the left as them (read: approaching infinity) a fascist, so I’m not surprised to hear this from an .ml account
Oh, come on now, they’d never call Putin a fascist.
Oh true, I forgot to add that they’ll complain about literally anyone except for actual fascists…
There!
I find it very interesting that you get downvotes for this comment. My experience is that this is the way most people use the term and they get so angry, when you point that out.
Exhibit A:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
And if one points out Wikipedia (while very imperfect, yes) is just Western Propaganda, well, that’s a pretty good indicator, too.
Thank you for sharing the wikipedia article. I hadn’t read it. A lot of people find Wikipedia controversial for various reasons. But it is one of the most precise encyclopedias on the planet. And you can check out editing history etc. What I am most interested in, is the use here ofcourse. Because it seems to me people use it as a vaguely defined slur to slander people they deem to leftist.
Yeah, there’s all sorts of crazy political purity tests on Lemmy, and associated misuse of slurs.
And on Wikipedia:
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On one side, my MAGA-adjacent family is starting to question it as “liberal biased”… as they leave Fox News blasting in the background.
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On the other, tankies and some different leftist extremist leftists dismiss it as propaganda.
That’s a good sign, to me. Its never been perfect and has problems, but extremists trying to tear its credibility down is a sign of just how valuable it is.
how about one of the original creators of wikipedia no longer using his own software and encouraging everyone to also not use it? he claims that the cia have been using it as a tool of information warfare since 2007
I will admit that for shallow questions like ‘did this thing happen in this year’? wikipedia can sometimes be more useful than a plain search engine, also sometimes from wikipedia you can find links to real sources which can also be useful.
On the contrary, to quote Wikipedia’s article on him:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Sanger
Since Sanger’s departure from Wikipedia, he has been critical of the project, describing it in 2007 as being “broken beyond repair”.[8] He has argued that, despite its merits, Wikipedia lacks credibility and accuracy due to a lack of respect for expertise. Since 2020, he has also accused Wikipedia of having a left-wing and liberal ideological bias in its articles.[9][10] Sanger’s effort to change Wikipedia was seen by some as part of a right-wing attack on Wikipedia.[11][12]
Which lines up with external articles written by him that I’m reading, including his take on Grokipedia: https://larrysanger.org/2025/10/grokipedia-a-first-look/
Of course Wikipedia is biased (probably western/liberal biased), astroturfed, and such. I was taught that in middle school. But calling it something like a CIA misinformation op falls into “perfect is the enemy of good” at best, and sounds more like the efforts of bad actors trying to tear down information sources they can’t control.
I really don’t like that.
For all its flaws, Wikipedia is one of the last “free” information oases on Earth. It’s critical to humanity’s survival. It should improve, yes, but we don’t need any more conspiracies undermining it.
it’s more than simple bias, larry sanger knows that and i suspect that you do as well.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/pro-israel-activists-blacklist-mintpress-wikipedia/261022/
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Are y’all doing a bit or are really this stupid? None of you seem to grasp what martyrdom means. He was an old man dying of cancer. He had plenty of opportunities to go hide in a bunker, but getting killed in an Israeli strike is the best thing that could happen to the Iranian regime. Anyone so clueless as to fall for that better prepare for a long and unsuccessful war.
death to america
